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mostly reader says

Sweetheart,

You expect me to take you seriously with that?

When you stated that Victoria Nuland's conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt picking out Arseniy Yatseniuk as the next leader of Ukraine, nearly 3 weeks before the "revolution" I concluded either you have levels of cognitive dissonance I've never experienced, or you're lying.

If you're a propagandist, you could teach me but won't ever do it, if you're a believer in this nonsense, it's astounding. I have a hard time imagining somebody like you (pretend to be) can actually exist. It's very difficult to imagine it. I don't see how it's possible for somebody interested in this subject to be able to operate in this society with such conflicted thinking, I can't imagine it. If the state tells you that 2+2=5 or that 2+2=3, you'll actually believe it, you won't just go along to get along, you believe it. You're
Winston Smith after being tortured.

In any case, it's worthless to spend my time trying to understand either you BS thinking, our your insanity. It's one or the other. Either you're paid produce this nonsense, or you're literally insane. Either way, communication is pointless.

richwicks says

When you stated that Victoria Nuland's conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt picking out Arseniy Yatseniuk as the next leader of Ukraine, nearly 3 weeks before the "revolution"

You lie. Again. It wasn't "3 weeks before". The revolution was well under way, for at least several months. You still have trouble with that timeline.

Yawn.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

When you stated that Victoria Nuland's conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt picking out Arseniy Yatseniuk as the next leader of Ukraine, nearly 3 weeks before the "revolution"

You lie. Again. It wasn't "3 weeks before". The revolution was well under way, for at least several months. You still have trouble with that timeline.

The only possible way that the United States could predict the next leader of Ukraine before Viktor Yanukovych was removed is if the US installed that leader.

Again, I can't believe you really have this level of cognitive dissonance. I can't believe a person like you really exists. I think you're a propagandist, or, perhaps I don't understand how insane a person can be made. I just don't think Winston Smith can exist. Smith was reduced to a machine. I can't believe machines are naturally occurring or even can be created.

richwicks says

Again, I can't believe you really have this level of cognitive dissonance.

Meds might help. Stay strong. Your dedication to finding truth has my blessing.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Again, I can't believe you really have this level of cognitive dissonance.

Meds might help.

Again, another stupid insult.

Have you noticed I've not engaged in them? I don't believe your expressed thoughts can truly be your actual thoughts. I can't believe that propaganda works this well.

Here's coherent thought: A is 2, B is 3, therefore A+B is 5. Here's an incoherent thought: US installed the leader therefore US overthrew the government. Because, see, in example one you can get from first point to the last. In example two there's a gap (in case of Ukraine that gap is few months and gazilion of events long) I don't even care to discuss if US installed Ukrainian government because that's not the main propaganda point that you are spreading all over the place. Your main propaganda point is about overthrowing the government. For which there's zero proof. However, there is a lot of circumstantial proof to the opposite, which doesn't reduce your enthusiasm.

Meds. Only meds.

Let's see if I can't reconstruct this:

mostly reader says

richwicks says

mostly reader says

richwicks says

When you stated that Victoria Nuland's conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt picking out Arseniy Yatseniuk as the next leader of Ukraine, nearly 3 weeks before the "revolution"

You lie. Again. It wasn't "3 weeks before". The revolution was well under way, for at least several months. You still have trouble with that timeline.

The only possible way that the United States could predict the next leader of Ukraine before Viktor Yanukovych was removed is if the US installed that leader.

Again, I can't believe you really have this level of cognitive dissonance.

Meds might help. Stay strong. Your dedication to finding truth has my blessing.

I really can't believe you're for real. It's impossible for me to believe you're being honest, and if you are being honest in your opinions, I think you must be literally insane.

I'm very much for real. So for real that I'll repeat myself:

mostly reader says

Here's coherent thought: A is 2, B is 3, therefore A+B is 5. Here's an incoherent thought: US installed the leader therefore US overthrew the government. Because, see, in example one you can get from first point to the last. In example two there's a gap (in case of Ukraine that gap is few months and gazilion of events long) I don't even care to discuss if US installed Ukrainian government because that's not the main propaganda point that you are spreading all over the place. Your main propaganda point is about overthrowing the government. For which there's zero proof. However, there is a lot of circumstantial proof to the opposite, which doesn't reduce your enthusiasm.

Meds. Only meds.

mostly reader says

I'm very much for real. So for real that I'll repeat myself:

mostly reader says

Here's coherent thought: A is 2, B is 3, therefore A+B is 5. Here's an incoherent thought: US installed the leader therefore US overthrew the government. Because, see, in example one you can get from first point to the last. In example two there's a gap (in case of Ukraine that gap is few months and gazilion of events long) I don't even care to discuss if US installed Ukrainian government because that's not the main propaganda point that you are spreading all over the place. Your main propaganda point is about overthrowing the government. For which there's zero proof. However, there is a lot of circumstantial proof to the opposite, which doesn't reduce your enthusiasm.

Meds. Only meds.

This is nonsense. Many people have said I'm overly patient with you, that you're a troll, etc.

I want to talk to you. I've broken propagandists, and trolls as well. Can you be honest? Are you willing to do this?

mostly reader says

For which there's zero proof.

...except Victoria Nuland picked him out on a tapped phone call with Geoffrey Pyatt nearly 3 weeks before Viktor Yanukovych fled.

But beyond that, no evidence, besides that hard, absolute, unassailable evidence.

I can't believe anybody can have this level of cognitive dissonance.

richwicks says

I've broken propagandists, and trolls as well.

That's what we are doing, talking. Publicly, to boot. You substitute logic with tantrums, which doesn't fare very well.

But tell me: the last propagandist that you broke, was he under your bed? Were you off the meds at the time?

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I've broken propagandists, and trolls as well.

That's what we are doing, talking. Publicly, to boot. You substitute logic with tantrums, which doesn't fare very well.

You're the one saying I'm tonguing Putin's asshole. That's you. I don't degrade myself like that, you do. You substitute insults for information.

mostly reader says

But tell me: the last propagandist that you broke, was he under your bed? Were you off the meds at the time?

It was a Hasbera asset that felt badly for what he was doing. It's been a while. I have no idea where he lived. Israel subsides university study if people do this. I pulled him off from public discourse into a secure communication system because otherwise it was a threat to his scholarship.

It wasn't important he stopped lying, somebody else would have replaced him, I wanted to know what he actually thought.

Here - this is my qTox ID:

2779E73EE1BE4E85A52DDA1E0E0DE8006905250171725CD64BE0ED1C29DACC4C03491A64CDA5

You can be entirely honest with me there. It's point to point, end to end encrypted. Skype used to be like that 15 years ago.

https://tox.chat/

richwicks says

You're the one saying I'm tonguing Putin's asshole.

(patting myself on the shoulder) At least you've remembered where you stand.

richwicks says

It was a Hasbera asset that felt badly for what he was doing. It's been a while. I have no idea where he lived. Israel subsides university study if people do this. I pulled him off from public discourse into a secure communication system because otherwise it was a threat to his scholarship.

Aaaaand! you don't disappoint. This is better than "under the bed".

mostly reader says

richwicks says

You're the one saying I'm tonguing Putin's asshole.

(patting myself on the shoulder) At least you've remembered where you stand.

Again this is absent any information which would allow me to consider I'm incorrect.

I am cognizant of you, that's hardly a complement to you.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

It was a Hasbera asset that felt badly for what he was doing. It's been a while. I have no idea where he lived. Israel subsides university study if people do this. I pulled him off from public discourse into a secure communication system because otherwise it was a threat to his scholarship.

Aaaaand! you don't disappoint. This is better than "under the bed".

You have my tox id. Don't use a phone. It's not secure. You'll have to use a personal device. If you're working to produce propaganda, all devices you have been given for this work are tapped. An AI reviews it, not a person.

richwicks says

You have my tox id. Don't use a phone. It's not secure. You'll have to use a personal device.

Tsh-sh-sh-sh. It'll be our little secret. Don't tell mom.

Actually, I've changed my mind. I'm up for it. My going rate is $400/h. Considering the situation, I'll take it in bitcoins.

mostly reader says

Actually, I've changed my mind. I'm up for it. My going rate is $400/h. Considering the situation, I'll take it in bitcoins.

I'm not that curious to talk to what I think is either

1) an insane person programmed by a propaganda machine.
2) a propagandist that is paid to say what you do.

I'm willing to talk to you on a P2P E2E encrypted system if you want to. It's genuinely difficult to believe you actually believe what you claim to believe, and I know of propaganda houses that produce this sort of nonsense on the internet to influence opinion. You may actually genuinely believe what you say, but it's difficult to believe that. We all model the world based on ourselves though, you may be extremely different from me but if you're really honestly this different, we are hardly the same species. I really cannot imagine it. You've shown no reasoning in all the time I've talked to you. I want to know if my reasoning is wrong, so I will readily share it, you protect your "reasoning" like gold - I conclude you have no reasoning, you either are reading a script or are mindlessly repeating propaganda. It's the same thing.

It seems you have no reasoning, and you aren't concerned with explaining how people are wrong, you just want to bludgeon them to accept what you are instructed for them to accept.

richwicks says

I'm willing to talk to you on a P2P E2E encrypted system if you want to.

I'm fully comfortable talking in public forum. That's pleasure. The rest is work, for which you'd have to pay. So far your performance in public leaves little to anticipate in a different setting. I have enough nut cases as is, too many to also voluntarily invite them without being compensated.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I'm willing to talk to you on a P2P E2E encrypted system if you want to.

I'm fully comfortable talking in public forum. That's pleasure. The rest is work, for which you'd have to pay. So far your performance in public leaves little to anticipate in a different setting.

I don't believe you're a real person. I believe either you're either a propagandist or you're a construct created by propaganda.

I have said repeatedly you've offered nothing to me in terms of thought. Propagandists change minds through psychological pressure, not through reasoning. You may be a dupe or an active propagandist. You could be a troll as well, somebody that just upsets thinking for their own enjoyment.

I enjoy propaganda. I know how it works at the source, but the trickle down, I'm still working on that.

richwicks says

I don't believe you're a real person. I believe either you're either a propagandist or you're a construct created by propaganda.

I'm very real. Which you can verify for only $400. $200 actually, if you decide to cut it off within 1/2h.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I don't believe you're a real person. I believe either you're either a propagandist or you're a construct created by propaganda.

I'm very real. Which you can verify for only $400. $200 actually, if you decide to cut it off within 1/2h.

But do you have any information? I've long concluded you do not.


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I think you're either a propagandist or a tool of propagandists. You have a way to talk to me, if you wish, but that's the ONLY way you can talk to me. I won't know who you are when (if) you connect, you can pretend to be anybody you wish. I want(ed) to work on the Tox Core protocol, but I think it's hopeless. Fixing it would break compatibility. There's quite a few fundamental flaws in implementation. I wanted to fix it at one point, but it's fundamentally flawed in the design. The design can't be repaired in my opinion, it's too complex and too broken, but the basic ideas of it were brilliant. I'm incorporating the (admittedly) amazing concepts. Many excellent ideas, just the implementation of it is awful.

The design of the protocol for communication is point to point end to end secure. No need for any servers, however they depend on distributed hash tables, the data transfers are not reliable (for no reason), the program spins (for no reason). It's a super smart concept designed by a bunch of novices in software. My trouble has always been doing NAT traversal, it's poorly explained but I cracked it, it's FAR simpler than I imagined (of course!) all the rest of it can be reduced to centralized servers for connection, and those servers can connect to one another - though probably a DHT - but tox is entirely dependent on DHT, which makes it slow to connect. I think they designed this around the original idea of Skype.

So anyhow, if you connect to me through TOX, this is what I will gravitate toward. It's an awesome concept in many ways, and just a terrible implementation.

Oh noes: Peskov has confirmed that the diplomat does indeed exist, has indeed defected and is now considered the enemy of the people. But there is still hope: I looked up Peskov's LinkedIn page - and it doesn't exist! Meaning that "Peskov" person is also a figment of the Western propaganda!

RWSGFY says

Oh noes: Peskov has confirmed that the diplomat does indeed exist, has indeed defected and is now considered the enemy of the people. But there is still hope: I looked up Peskov's LinkedIn page - and it doesn't exist! Meaning that "Peskov" person is also a figment of the Western propaganda!

Well, show links. You repeat bullshit a lot or just make shit up. Who believes anything you say?


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richwicks says

Well, show links. You repeat bullshit a lot or just make shit up. Who believes anything you say?

Have you already found links/quotes to support your claim that Bana al-Abed couldn't write in Arabic? Not meaning to derail your conversation with RWSGFY, just checking.