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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   242,991 views  1,277 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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740   Patrick   2022 Jun 15, 8:17am  


The Post Millennial
@TPostMillennial
Jun 14
Tucker Carlson: "If you can take their guns, why can't you take their homes? Why can't you empty their bank accounts? Ooh sound paranoid, Alex Jones stuff? That just happened in Canada."
741   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Jun 15, 2:17pm  

Patrick says




he looks like that Penguin villain from Batman movies.
744   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Jun 16, 2:26pm  

Eric Holder says

RWSGFY says




https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1536301391106408453


FUCKING NAZI!!!


should explain why these news aren't main stream in US. faggots here want to disarm all of us here. every day I check news sites (not to read, but to see what the faggots are selling)... they are still pushing gun control, some shit about standing with Ukraine, and now January 6 comedy show.
746   Eric Holder   2022 Jun 17, 12:15pm  

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Eric Holder says


RWSGFY says





https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1536301391106408453


FUCKING NAZI!!!



should explain why these news aren't main stream in US. faggots here want to disarm all of us here. every day I check news sites (not to read, but to see what the faggots are selling)... they are still pushing gun control, some shit about standing with Ukraine, and now January 6 comedy show.


Is Morawiecki a faggot too?
749   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Jun 18, 1:32pm  

Patrick says








thats just the point.

communists red flagged people into seberia same way.
751   Patrick   2022 Jun 29, 5:27pm  

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-legal-gun-control-regulation-reduce-violent-crime-shooting-murder-brazil-semi-automatic-permit-supremep-court-new-york-decision-11656268995


More Legal Guns Reduced Crime in Brazil
Homicide fell 34% after Bolsonaro made firearms permits easier and cheaper.

“Lives are on the line,” President Biden said after the Supreme Court held New York state’s restrictive gun-permit regime unconstitutional last week. Gov. Kathy Hochul warned: “This could place millions of New Yorkers in harm’s way.” Brazil’s experience suggests otherwise.
752   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Jun 29, 8:40pm  

Patrick says








most are government officials on the list, cops, judges, etc..,
753   mostly reader   2022 Jun 29, 9:53pm  

Bd6r says


Answer, at least in last few school shootings, is that they would have been prevented if EXISTING laws would have been enforced, and that they would have been much less deadly if heroes in BLUE! would have done their damned job.


DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales. The heros in blue don't have to do their job. How fucked up is that?

That, plus mental health issue.

A-R, Shmey-R. At schoolyard distances and against unprotected targets granda's 12Ga is a no less formidable weapon. If someone really wanted to making a right step to fixing the problem - well, mental health seems like a lower hanging fruit there.
754   Booger   2022 Jun 30, 4:59pm  

https://news.yahoo.com/u-supreme-court-orders-lower-150520950.html

I guess that this means that I don't have to drive to Delaware to buy high capacity magazines!

ERECTION INTENSIFYING!!!
755   Patrick   2022 Jul 1, 2:08pm  

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/06/30/new-york-times-gun-n59920


New York Times opinion editor wants a gun
By Tom Knighton | Jun 30
756   Robert Sproul   2022 Jul 1, 4:46pm  

Personal Information of Every California Concealed-Carry Permit Holder Leaked
'The information included the name, address, age, Criminal Identification Index (CII) number and license type of every CCW permit holder in the state'
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/personal-information-of-every-california-concealed-carry-permit-holder-leaked/

The petty, vindictive, fuckers. Imagine you are an abused stalk-ee that has obtained a gun and carry license for protection and the State prints that fact ALONG WITH YOUR ADDRESS.
757   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 1, 4:51pm  

"accidental" = plausible deniability, and very, very useful for some.
758   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 1, 4:53pm  

Also, I dreamed of a mountain of blue helmets stacked to the moon.

And my sheets were stained when I woke up.
759   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 1, 5:31pm  

Robert Sproul says

Personal Information of Every California Concealed-Carry Permit Holder Leaked



ALL FIVE OF THEM!!!
761   Patrick   2022 Jul 5, 2:16pm  

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/_evelynrae/status/1543725632802021376


@_evelynrae
Jul 3
This could have ended very differently had it not have been the 2nd amendment…


763   richwicks   2022 Jul 5, 6:09pm  

Patrick says

This could have ended very differently had it not have been the 2nd amendment…


Too bad the trigger wasn't pulled. Hope the mother fucker was arrested, hope the DA isn't corrupt.
771   Patrick   2022 Jul 21, 8:33am  

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/when-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-saves-lives/


The mainstream media has picked up on a story of a heroic armed citizen being heralded as “a good Samaritan” for shooting and killing a gunman who opened fire inside a Greenwood, Indiana mall. It’s been a long time coming, but it’s better late than never for such left-leaning media outlets as ABC, NBC, People magazine, the Today Show, the Washington Post and others reporting what gun owners have known forever: the best — and ofttimes only — way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with another gun.

Yesterday, a man with a rifle managed to kill three people inside the Greenwood Park Mall. But then, a 22-year-old man used a firearm he was legally carrying concealed to shoot the gunman and end his killing spree. Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison told reporters following the incident:

The real hero of the day is the citizen that was lawfully carrying a firearm in that food court and was able to stop that shooter almost as soon as he began.
772   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 21, 12:12pm  

Defensive gun use not rare; concealed carry laws do not cause gun crime

Shannon Watts, a gun control activist and the founder of Moms Demand Action, claims that defensive gun use in the United States is “rare” and that laws allowing people to carry guns increase gun crime. Both of her claims are dubious at best.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/defensive-gun-use-not-rare-concealed-carry-laws-do-not-cause-gun-crime/ar-AAZNgFH?cvid=43d91878fbc54ce8961c5084fff09eae
773   Patrick   2022 Jul 25, 4:17pm  

http://jpfo.org/alerts2022/alert20220725.htm


When the Second Amendment was written as a part of the Bill of Rights, it was uncontroversial. The new American republic had just transited through a grueling revolutionary war to throw off rule of the British crown. The British government had been violating the rights of Englishmen, including the right to keep and bear arms. The first battle of the war started as the British army marched through Lexington to Concorde, Mass., to confiscate arms and ammunition the colonists had stockpiled. After several instances where arms and ammunition were confiscated from individuals, General Gage acted to disarm the entire town of Boston.
778   Patrick   2022 Aug 1, 7:03pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/where-we-stand-depends-upon-who-has


let us start with SA’s own words:

The essence of Lenin’s speeches during this period was “They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot.

When we have the guns then it will be through the bullet.”

And it was.

-Saul Alinsky “rules for radicals”

it’s not new, you just don’t think it could happen here.

but you know what the thing that all societies which succumbed to armed marxist or fascist oppression by violence have in common?

they didn’t think it could happen there either.

these new “woke till you choke” impositions are being used not so much as a means to change minds as a screen for ideological purity and a form of signaling about “what sort of people are welcome in the military these days.” if you’re not a “pronouns in email” kind of guy, uh, person, uh, entity, uh, (jeez this gets hard) then ship out. we don’t want you here, won’t promote you, and intend to make your life a misery.

this is a classic marxist playbook move. you start from the top and replace the generals with political hacks, but this is insufficient. the goal is to shape the military to serve your politics and if the rank and file do not believe, they will not turn upon their own. so you get them learning to fight about pronouns instead of learning to win battles on the field. because, in the end, you want a different kind of soldier. you want a soldier who sees a different kind of enemy.

it’s easy to change the top ranks. in peacetime, pretty much nobody gets past (or even to) colonel without being a politician. but the rank and file soldiers are different. many came from humble upbringings. many joined as a path to an education or a better life. many joined because they believe in and sought to defend america. many fought in overseas wars. and those are difficult things to change, especially changing allegiance from combat commanders to political commissars. it’s easier to change people.

so you have to make it a misery as a means to cull them out and “here, your service is now politically correct puppet-shows and while falling asleep on watch is a no-no, mispronouning the pangendered demisexual otherkin who shares your shower is worse.”

the very absurdity of the ideological purity test is what makes it so effective.




... and this sets up a no win situation for the rank and file because in the military the rules are not like they are outside in “the world.” if you fail to inhabit the hallucination (or at least act as though you do) you get in serious trouble, your career is hampered, and you generally have a bad time.

this is what makes it such a potent selector for generating the right sort of rank and file and ensuring ideological purity. those who disagree wash out. those who remain are either the sorts of “woke” ideologues you prefer or those who will play along to get along. free thinkers and free speakers are expunged.

selecting for people anxious (or at least willing to knuckle under to) such bullying selects for those sufficiently dogmatic or pliable to fight to impose these wokeshevik ideologies upon “domestic foes” that “oppose the revolution.” ...

what if, rather, the aim behind replacing patriots with polemicists lies in domestic ends and a conscious reshaping of what groups the military may be induced to perceive as “enemy”?

it has long been an article of faith the the US military would never turn upon “we the people” but this is historically false. it’s one of the first things it did. over taxes. read up on the whiskey rebellion some time.

and this has been longstanding marxist practice. ...

the capture of justice and investigative/enforcement arms in service of ideology and one sided political partisanship is the road to one party rule. and “brand political foes as terrorists/reactionaries/enemies of the state” is pure bolshevism 101.

but in the US is runs into some problems:

police forces are mostly localized, highly unionized, and basically untouchable. while this certainly produces a set of problems (many quite serious) the silver lining appears to be that it prevents this sort of nationalized political penetration. the cops will not do what DC (or anyone) tells them. they are a power base unto themselves.

did you think the sudden prevalence of this notion amidst rising crime and crackdowns from federal authorities was a coincidence?




this serves 2 aims: it eliminates a competing power base that appears more likely to side with the people if things ever really got bad and it helps make sure that things keep getting worse.

those pushing anti-sanity policies of legalizing theft, preventing policy enforcement, making it impossible to run business in many neighborhoods, and making people feel unsafe as crime surges are not insane. they just have a plan that is not in alignment with your interests.

they WANT it to get worse because that’s how they “teach” you that their intervention is needed and that more draconian top-down diktat and dictatorship is the only way “back to making the streets safe.” ...

every time you see this:




what you’re really seeing is this:




... and the manner in which this may be prevented is twofold:

keep politics (all politics) out of the military, the FBI, the justice department, and every other facet of the armed state.

ensure the populace retains its ability to defend itself against all enemies, foreign and domestic including and especially the government.
779   Patrick   2022 Aug 3, 4:37pm  

https://reason.com/2022/08/03/democrats-dont-care-whether-banning-assault-weapons-is-constitutional/


Democrats Don't Care Whether Banning 'Assault Weapons' Is Constitutional
Even while conceding that the rifles they want to ban are commonly used for lawful purposes, they refuse to grapple with the implications.

A week before the House of Representatives approved a ban on "assault weapons," a federal judge in Denver explained why such laws are unlikely to pass constitutional muster. House Democrats either were not paying attention or did not care, because they view the Second Amendment as an outmoded provision that imposes no meaningful limits on gun control.

Unfortunately for them, the Supreme Court has repeatedly held otherwise, ruling that the government may not prohibit law-abiding Americans from keeping handguns at home or carrying them in public for self-defense. The Court also has said the Second Amendment covers bearable arms "in common use" for "lawful purposes," which presents a problem for Democrats who want to ban many of the most popular rifles sold in the United States.

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