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Patrick says

richwicks says

If Iran has a genuine revolution, I support it, but if it's a US coup, I do not.

I think this is common people really getting fed up with their Islamic government.

In 1953 when the US overthrew Iran's government then in Operation Ajax, they staged protests by paying people to be there and to drag along useful idiots.

This happened just recently a few years ago in Iran. What killed it is the flag that Iran had under the Shah was raised.

The US did the same thing - staged protests - that's what Antifa and BLM were about, and why they disappeared once Biden was "elected".

richwicks says

The US did the same thing - staged protests - that's what Antifa and BLM were about, and why they disappeared once Biden was "elected".

Follow the money. Where does Act Blue and Bend The Arc get their money which they then direct toward organizing and financing AntiFa ?

Would not be surprised if some of this was Chicom money funded through various layer and shell companies or organizations before it ultimately makes it ways to AntiFa.

I agree as AntiFa (and BLM) have been on vacation since Birdbrain Biden took over the White House.
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Would not be surprised if some of this was Chicom money funded through various layer and shell companies or organizations before it ultimately makes it ways to AntiFa.

Pfft, I'd look closer to home. Intelligence agencies fund them. It's TRIVIAL for them to follow the money, if it was an outside influence, they would have stopped it.

richwicks says

if it was an outside influence, they would have stopped it.

The woke deep state is not going to stop Chicom influence such as funding of AntiFa. Stop pretending you do not know that.

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The lady heading up the protests is a US citizen with deep neoCon ties. Just another attempt by the US to overthrow Iran, as they've attempted, and at times succeeded in many instances since the 50's.

NuttBoxer says

The lady heading up the protests is a US citizen with deep neoCon ties. Just another attempt by the US to overthrow Iran, as they've attempted, and at times succeeded in many times since the 50's.

Very interesting. This is something the religious police have been doing for the past 40 years. Why is the uproar occurring now? A link or two supporting your claim that it is a US-sponsored insurgency would be greatly appreciated.

I still haven't heard a reliable theory on who or what is behind the Iranian protests. That is the key. They didn't just spontaneously erupt because of one dead woman. Their Guv probably murders citizens routinely on a daily basis. Follow the money and the color revolution trails?

stereotomy says

This is something the religious police have been doing for the past 40 years. Why is the uproar occurring now?

It is typical for structures to break slowly, and then all at once, just like the fall of the Soviet Union.

It feels like basic physics dictates that things break this way, not just countries, but physical things too, like dams. A little water gets through, and a feedback loop takes over and rapidly destroys the whole thing.

Not holding my breath. There have been many major protests in Iran over the last 10 years only for the Mullahs to kill/jail thousands and quickly squash it. My next door neighbor is from Iran who fled in the last 70's when the Ayatollah took over and he is always hopeful that things will turn around.

Just like Ukraine, Musk has made Starlink available to Iran so they can't be kept in the dark.

Then we have Joe Biden trying to resurrect the Iran Deal which will give the Mullahs another lifeline and billions in dollars.

socal2 says

Musk has made Starlink available to Iran so they can't be kept in the dark.

I bet very few people are set up to get it because it's quite expensive: https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/starlink-starter-kit-how-to-get-it-and-set-it-up

socal2 says

My next door neighbor is from Iran who fled in the last 70's when the Ayatollah took over and he is always hopeful that things will turn around.

I also know a guy who fled when the Ayatollah took over. He was a college student, and said everyone was protesting the Shah, but didn't realize that what they would get after that would actually be worse, not better.

Patrick says

stereotomy says

This is something the religious police have been doing for the past 40 years. Why is the uproar occurring now?

It is typical for structures to break slowly, and then all at once, just like the fall of the Soviet Union.

It feels like basic physics dictates that things break this way, not just countries, but physical things too, like dams. A little water gets through, and a feedback loop takes over and rapidly destroys the whole thing.

I guess my comment was more along the lines of is this really an organic movement on the part of Iranians, or a 5th column color revolution sponsored by US/WEF?

Valid context here is critical. Just look at the shitshow that is the Ukraine right now.

Patrick says

I bet very few people are set up to get it because it's quite expensive: https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/starlink-starter-kit-how-to-get-it-and-set-it-up

Hopefully the US government is working on funding terminals and smuggling them into the country like they did with Ukraine.

Then again, some of our posters here will accuse the US of fomenting a coup simply by providing the Iranian people access to the internet that is not censored by the Islamic Theocracy.

Back to Benjamin Fulford. In usual confusing Fulford style, it would seem that if the Iranian leadership are stooges of the Rothschilds, they wouldn't be selling military bombing drones to Russia, but that's just me.
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=208234

stereotomy says

I guess my comment was more along the lines of is this really an organic movement on the part of Iranians, or a 5th column color revolution sponsored by US/WEF?

I think this is organic.

The Biden administration is on the side of the mullahs.

Reminds me of a vid I saw a while ago of a Chinese man walking along the street behind one of the Covid police. He just kept looking forward, reached over with a weapon of some kind, and bashed the Covid cop's brains out and killed him without changing stride or even looking back at his work.

“What would things have been like if every security operative,” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote in his epic work, The Gulag Archipelago, “when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?”

stereotomy says

Very interesting. This is something the religious police have been doing for the past 40 years. Why is the uproar occurring now? A link or two supporting your claim that it is a US-sponsored insurgency would be greatly appreciated.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/09/26/689879/-Ron-Paul-mocks-US-ties-to-Iran-riot--leader-

But to look at this one incident on it's own would indeed be a mistake. Taken in the context of everything the US has done in and around Iran for the past 70 years, it becomes painfully clear what's really going on here.

Patrick says

It is typical for structures to break slowly, and then all at once, just like the fall of the Soviet Union.

Except that just like this incident, it was all for show. Putin is ex-KGB. No one lost any wealth or authority, and Ukraine isn't by any means the first time Russia has encroached on it's old territories.

FYI, before the overthrow of the Shah in the 70's, Iran had done away with all these religious laws. Without American imperialism, there would be no religious police killing women.

Dean Skoreyko
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50,000+ people showed up in Richmond Hill, Ontario yesterday to protest the Islamic dictatorship of Iran.

Trudeau and Freeland went into hiding.

https://www.westernjournal.com/iranian-state-tv-suddenly-interrupted-displays-ominous-message-world-see/?seyid=25760

Iranian State TV Suddenly Interrupted, Displays Ominous Message for World to See

Anti-Iranian government protesters hacked the government’s state broadcaster on Saturday.

The hackers, a group known as Edalate Ali, posted an ominous message directed at Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, which was broadcasted for all of Iran to see.

Protests, riots and general unrest have swept through the Middle Eastern country since the Sept. 16 death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini.

The young Iranian was detained by the country’s morality police for wearing “inappropriate attire,” Reuters reported.

Iranian authorities claim the 22-year-old died of a heart attack. However, her family claims Amini had no heart problems. Reports alleged she was beaten to death while in custody.

Weeks later, Edalate Ali reminded the Supreme Leader of the young woman’s death. Some dark imagery accompanied that reminder.

According to Sky News, the hackers posted an image of Khamenei with flames all around him and a target on his head. Under the ominous depiction were pictures of Amini and three other women allegedly killed during the protests.

#BREAKING The Edalat-e Ali hacktivist group hacked the Iranian state TV’s live news broadcast, displaying a photo of Khamenei with the verse “The Blood of Our Youths Is on Your Hands” along with photos of #MahsaAmini and three other girls killed in #IranProtests. pic.twitter.com/dYM7flUBQt

I have a weird hope that Iran will return to Zoroastrianism one day soon.

Patrick says

I have a weird hope that Iran will return to Zoroastrianism one day soon.

Happening now?
The Zoroastrian religion taught Iranians that citizens have an inalienable right to enlightened leadership and that the duty of subjects is not simply to obey wise kings but also to rise up against those who are wicked. Leaders are seen as representatives of God on earth, but they deserve allegiance only as long as they have farr, a kind of divine blessing that they must earn by moral behavior. To pray for it, generations of Persian leaders visited Zoroastrian temples where holy flames burned perpetually, symbolizing the importance of constant vigilance against iniquity.
-from All the Shah's Men by Stephen Kinzer

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richwicks says

if it was an outside influence, they would have stopped it.

The woke deep state is not going to stop Chicom influence such as funding of AntiFa. Stop pretending you do not know that.

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Possibly you're correct. I don't have much faith in our intelligence agencies. I really have no idea if we don't have anybody in high levels of government who aren't outright traitors to this nation.

Patrick says

@Patrick - I would be cautious with this.

I've HEARD (meaning it's unreliable) that she wasn't beaten to death, but did die in custody. Maybe she was vaccinated? Second, the US recently tried to incite a revolution in Iran, which failed when the old flag under the Shah of Iran was hoisted to represent the group.

Most "revolutions" in the Middle East in the last decade were coups.

Not saying Iran is a great government or anything like that, I'm saying the US government doesn't go anywhere in the last 20 years where they haven't made things worse.

NuttBoxer says

The lady heading up the protests is a US citizen with deep neoCon ties. Just another attempt by the US to overthrow Iran, as they've attempted, and at times succeeded in many instances since the 50's.

Wouldn't doubt it, but source?

Patrick says

I also know a guy who fled when the Ayatollah took over. He was a college student, and said everyone was protesting the Shah, but didn't realize that what they would get after that would actually be worse, not better.

Have you ever asked him about Operation Ajax, when Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown with a CIA coup? This was done to prevent him from nationalizing Iran's oil fields, when at the same time the British were nationalizing their oil fields, that's where British Petroleum comes from. Mosaddegh was trying to negotiate a price with the British, the British pretended to negotiate, but went to the CIA to overthrow Mosaddegh to prevent it. This ended at the Iranian Revolution in 1979.

The reason the US embassy was occupied is that is where Ajax was planned, and the central control for logistics of Ajax. They occupied it to neuter it in this capacity, and also in part revenge. Embassies are just filled with spies anyhow, they're scum.

socal2 says

Then again, some of our posters here will accuse the US of fomenting a coup simply by providing the Iranian people access to the internet that is not censored by the Islamic Theocracy.

They probably are fomenting a coup, but if the population is able to speak freely I don't oppose that. If they are getting onto Facebook and Twitter to talk, they aren't being allowed to speak freely, although they don't know it. Hopefully they are getting onto Telegram and VK.

This smells like another CIA project ala BLM.

Patrick says

"Iran is really popping off with civil unrest because of the woman the Vice Cops tortured and beat to death for not wearing a headscarf right. Notice how the Global media is silent, the American media is silent? This could be the spark that takes down the Iranian gov. I hope it does." - comment on patriots.win, linking to:

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/hkaragah/status/1573130154540400641

Sam Kermani
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The man who slapped the woman is one of Khamenei’s criminals who are attacking Iranian protesters.

The man who had his hand in his pocket had an interesting approach to responding to Khamenei’s thug.

It seems li...

Hard to tell, but from what I know of Iran, it seems legit to me, as in a real organic protest against Islamic oppression.

Sure, the US would probably like them to revolt, but that doesn't prove that the people are not fed up.

Patrick says

Hard to tell, but from what I know of Iran, it seems legit to me, as in a real organic protest against Islamic oppression.

Sure, the US would probably like them to revolt, but that doesn't prove that the people are not fed up.

The US government is CERTAINLY involved. They always are.

The question is, for once, will our government's involvement lead to a better outcome or worse?

I have no problem with my government getting involved with shit, my problem is that they have exclusively produced worse results for 2 decades. I believe our government should lead by example, but look at our current examples:



That's Oakland. The US has spent more than 60 billion dollars on Ukraine. They don't spend anything on internal infrastructure, they don't solve problems, they create them. This is the example the United States presents to the rest of the world. Do you think there are encampments like that in Iran? Possibly, but I doubt it. Yes, they have less "freedom", but do we really have freedom?

If I posted this on Facebook or Youtube, it would be censored.

It is just tit for tat.

It kinda goes against the uprising that had been going on in Iraq.

As far as I see things it's just intelligence services stirring things up

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2022/8/29/iraq-unrest-live-blog-sadr-announces-hunger-strike

I had not made that connection, but you may be right.

I'm still pretty sure that the majority of Iranians hate their Islamic government though.

Patrick says

I had not made that connection, but you may be right.

I'm still pretty sure that the majority of Iranians hate their Islamic government though.

It's the devil you know versus the devil you also know.

If the US is behind this, I guarantee that if Iranians sniff that out, they'll sit still with their current devil.

The Iranian government is HARDLY ideal, but look at what the US has done to countries they have overthrown. Ukraine went to civil war, then war with Russia. Libya has slavery markets and remains in (unstable) civil war - I believe there's a cease fire though (technically). Syria was attacked relentlessly by outside terrorists funded by the United States. Iraq is still unstable, although there are American controlled safe zones. Afghanistan has reverted to the Taliban after 20 years of war. Yemen and Somalia are still being bombed, Yemen is a humanitarian disaster, probably Somalia is as well, but I don't have direct evidence. Pakistan? They've always been a mess, that's a country that probably the US has had the least deleterious effect on.

The US creates instability and chaos today. It does not try to create solutions or stability. They create problems, they never offer solutions. Madmen run our country. They believe in the "broken window" theory. Instead of building up societies, they destroy them and garner control, power, and money off from rebuilding what they destroyed. We're run by sociopaths that don't believe in advancement or development.

Nutcases like these kept us int the dark ages for a 1,000 years because although their life sucked, their life sucked less than the people they ruled over. They were, in comparative, luxury. We all live better than the wealthiest king of 300 years ago. Got a flush toilet and central heating and can rapidly travel anywhere in the world? You make King George the III look like a pauper, and he WAS.

I'm sure there's more than a few who remember life under the Shah, before the US installed religious fanaticism. The problem is, if the US are behind the revolution yet again, unless the people wrest control, nothing good awaits them. For proof see Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc, etc, etc...

richwicks says

They don't spend anything on internal infrastructure, they don't solve problems, they create them.

Are you sure we don't spend on welfare and helping the poor ?

We lost two of LBJ's declared wars. One was Vietnam and the other was the Great Society or Welfare Society.

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Are you sure we don't spend on welfare and helping the poor ?

There's a lot of money allocated to it, but only a tiny fraction gets to the recipients. I knew a guy that was basically a bum who had "agoraphobia", in reality, he was just a lazy drunk, and sponged off the system. He got about $1,500 a month, and unlimited medical. He was pushed though dozens of psychiatrists that just put him on a ton of drugs because it's profitable for the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies. The reality is there's no effort to actually solve the problem, they exploit the problem.

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We lost two of LBJ's declared wars. One was Vietnam and the other was the Great Society or Welfare Society.

Vietnam was mostly about making money for the MIC, there wasn't an earnest attempt to win that war. The same is true of Ukraine, the point is to drag it out as long as possible, because it makes a lot of money for select individuals, they don't care if a bunch of innocent people are killed. They're psychopaths.

There's absolutely no attempt to end poverty, quite the opposite. Make people dependent on the state, and you have a bunch of people who support the state, no matter WHAT it does. This idea of Universal Basic Income is absolutely stupid. Imagine a society where the unemployed are forced to build for a paycheck. Imagine what we'd create in 10 years time.

Look at all the homeless. SOME of them are the working poor. Imagine if you gave them the ability to make lumber, nails, and to build with it and gave them a plot of land. People can easily be put to work. Making a building isn't hard, plumbing it and putting in electrical wiring IS hard, but it can be made plug and play to do.