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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   236,965 views  1,259 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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786   Patrick   2022 Aug 27, 12:28pm  




The only people who should have any restrictions placed on their Constitutional freedom to buy a gun are:

1. children
2. the mentally ill
3. convicted felons
787   ForcedTQ   2022 Aug 27, 1:13pm  

Patrick says






The only people who should have any restrictions placed on their Constitutional freedom to buy a gun are:

1. children
2. the mentally ill
3. convicted felons


Convicted felons that are of crimes that are not created by unconstitutional laws which are therefore null and void and not laws at all.
788   Patrick   2022 Aug 27, 5:15pm  

Good point.

To be convicted by an unconstitutional law is political persecution, not justice.
791   richwicks   2022 Aug 31, 4:29pm  

Patrick says








Odd the Nazis went through such great lengths to hide the bodies, but kept mounds of their shoes around. They burned their clothing along with them, but not their shoes.
792   Eric Holder   2022 Aug 31, 4:29pm  

Patrick says







Useless against tanks but VERY useful against fuel trucks. Why deal with the snake's head where teeth are when you can deal with the snake's long and soft body far away from the teeth.
797   RWSGFY   2022 Sep 10, 9:55am  

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/baltimore-authorities-arrest-marine-vet-hero-who-stopped-crazy-gunman-for-having-a-concealed-weapon-of-his-own


Muldrow told the officer that his firearm, a .22 caliber Beretta M9, was holstered on his hip.


Weird choice of a weapon to say the least: if you carry a big effin pistol, why have it in .22?
798   just_passing_through   2022 Sep 10, 10:49am  

.22LR will still do a lot of damage and are easier to shoot.
799   Patrick   2022 Sep 19, 10:12am  

https://thepricklypear.org/jewish-gun-group-plans-to-sue-new-york-over-law-banning-concealed-carry-in-churches-and-synagogues/


A Jewish firearms organization is preparing to sue New York state over its new gun-control law, which prohibits most congregants from carrying a concealed weapon into a house of worship.

The New York State Jewish Gun Club has “retained a civil rights attorney to challenge the law and is asking others to join the fight,” reports the Bronx’s News 12. “[Founder Tzvi Waldman] says synagogues should be able to let licensed civilians carry guns in case of an attack.”

The law, known as the Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA), was introduced and passed on July 1, just eight days after the Supreme Court invalidated the Empire State’s prior, highly restrictive concealed-carry law. The CCIA, which took effect September 1, makes it a felony for anyone to carry a concealed weapon in a “sensitive” location unless he is an active or retired police officer, an active-duty member of the military, or a private security guard. As one might expect from a law specifically designed to circumvent the Supreme Court’s decision, that list of “sensitive” locations is quite lengthy and includes most public buildings, private businesses, schools, and houses of worship.

Houses of worship, especially synagogues, have good reason to oppose the new law. ...

“Almost every orthodox synagogue in Baltimore has an armed congregant,” Rabbi Yaakov Menken, the managing director for the Coalition of Jewish Values, told the Daily Caller. “People do not feel like calling the police or having an armed security guard who may be five blocks away is enough.”


They're right.
800   AmericanKulak   2022 Sep 19, 10:15am  

just_passing_through says

.22LR will still do a lot of damage and are easier to shoot.

Deadliest round in the USA. You can put an awful lot of rounds downrange, with the smallest handgun.
801   Patrick   2022 Sep 23, 4:59pm  



original link


Sheriff: If Congress Passes Gun Confiscation I’ll Swear In Tens of Thousands of Citizens As Deputies To Keep Their Guns
803   NuttBoxer   2022 Sep 25, 6:09pm  

Plan on finally getting an XCR once my stock gets bought out.
805   Patrick   2022 Sep 26, 4:50pm  

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/06/16/after-the-guns-were-removed-the-killing-fields-began/


“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The Communist Party must command all the guns; that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”

The quote was from Mao Zedong, founder of Communist China. Mao’s first act after gaining complete control of China in 1949 was to take away all guns from the population. It was a policy he began in 1935 as he took over each rural province. Anyone found with a gun post-confiscation was executed.

An estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with—by execution, imprisonment, or forced famine.

Mao killed more people than either Stalin or Hitler during World War II. And it all began after he took away the guns.

Dictators throughout much of history have disarmed their populations before they began their mass killings. Examples abound beyond Mao: Hitler took guns from the Jews in November of 1938, and Kristallnacht and the Holocaust followed; and then there was Fidel Castro in Cuba and Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, to name but a few.


Armenians were also disarmed by the Turks before the Turks tried to kill them all.
806   Onvacation   2022 Sep 27, 8:40am  

Patrick says

The only people who should have any restrictions placed on their Constitutional freedom to buy a gun are:

1. children
2. the mentally ill
3. convicted felons

Government says, "you are all felons for wanting a gun."
807   Onvacation   2022 Sep 27, 8:42am  

richwicks says

They burned their clothing along with them, but not their shoes

I think they went into their zyklon shower naked.
808   RWSGFY   2022 Sep 27, 9:07am  

just_passing_through says


.22LR will still do a lot of damage and are easier to shoot.


Is not like 9mm in that gun would be considered "hard to shoot", especially by a grown man with some training. The fucking thing is a brick. And standard capacity in 9mm is 17 or 18 rounds, iirc. I still don't get his choice of caliber.
809   RWSGFY   2022 Sep 27, 9:10am  

AmericanKulak says

just_passing_through says


.22LR will still do a lot of damage and are easier to shoot.

Deadliest round in the USA. You can put an awful lot of rounds downrange, with the smallest handgun.


Except the gun in question is a full-size army pistol.
813   Eric Holder   2022 Sep 28, 5:22pm  

AmericanKulak says




Government workers at their best: even if these people decided to keep couple (or ten) full-auto AR's for themselves they sure as shit would've moved them elsewhere before contacting ATF.
815   Patrick   2022 Oct 5, 5:09pm  

Statistically, a gun is much less likely to be used in a crime than a US Congressman is.
816   ForcedTQ   2022 Oct 5, 5:36pm  

Eric Holder says

AmericanKulak says





Government workers at their best: even if these people decided to keep couple (or ten) full-auto AR's for themselves they sure as shit would've moved them elsewhere before contacting ATF.

Looks like a stupidity test that the couple failed...
818   NuttBoxer   2022 Oct 7, 8:40am  

ForcedTQ says

Looks like a stupidity test that the couple failed...


I don't know. If those were supposed to be shipped to a gun runner, you don't want to get mixed up with those people when they coming looking for their product. On the other hand this is the US government, so they probably would never have noticed.
820   richwicks   2022 Oct 11, 11:11pm  

RWSGFY says

Weird choice of a weapon to say the least: if you carry a big effin pistol, why have it in .22?


So you don't go temporarily deaf once you fire it. A .22 is not BB gun. Unless you hit a lucky spot, it's not going to kill a person right away, but it's a serious disabler.

I'd rather have a .22 hand gun than a .44 magnum. Fire one of those in the dark, and your only senses that still work are your eyes, once it recovers from the muzzle flash in a few seconds...
821   richwicks   2022 Oct 11, 11:21pm  

Onvacation says


richwicks says


They burned their clothing along with them, but not their shoes

I think they went into their zyklon shower naked.



Here, I'll give you something to listen to:


original link

But when you listen to this, you better clear your mind particularly of any preconceptions of David Irving. He's not a holocaust denier, he's not an anti-Semite. Basically, we live today with a lot of propaganda accepted as absolute truth. NAZIs DID murder Jewish people en masse at times. The old and feeble were killed when brought to SLAVE labor camps. It was war, and slaves had no purpose if they couldn't work, and it was desperate and methodical times.

There's exaggerations about WWII everywhere. Russia, for example, probably didn't lose 20 million people in WWII. They probably didn't lose even 5, but it's still in the millions. 6 million Jews weren't killed in WWII either, really 2 million is a stretch, but it was over a million, and that's an ASTOUNDING number. Stalin is right, after a point it just becomes statistics, and WWII was terribly violent with massive losses of life, but it's vastly exaggerated on all sides.

This is all in the past though. I'm not so concerned with the lies of 70 years ago, I'm more interested in the lies of today.

Anyhow, if there were gas chambers, we don't have any direct evidence of them today. It's quite possible the NAZI regime destroyed them. Auschwitz is, unquestionably, a fraud. To really go down THIS rabbit hole requires you to be very open minded. Undoubtedly the Jewish people were persecuted during WWII in the NAZI regime, and that suited the Zionists just fine, because if they were persecuted, they had more people to build their state. There's no clear "good guys" and "bad guys", and there's mountainous lies about both of them and it's really difficult to sort out the truth, perhaps impossible.
822   Patrick   2022 Oct 12, 11:11pm  

richwicks says

I'd rather have a .22 hand gun than a .44 magnum. Fire one of those in the dark, and your only senses that still work are your eyes, once it recovers from the muzzle flash in a few seconds...


Fact check: true

https://patrick.net/post/1314395/2018-03-13-trying-out-a-44-magnum
823   richwicks   2022 Oct 13, 1:43am  

Patrick says

richwicks says


I'd rather have a .22 hand gun than a .44 magnum. Fire one of those in the dark, and your only senses that still work are your eyes, once it recovers from the muzzle flash in a few seconds...


Fact check: true

https://patrick.net/post/1314395/2018-03-13-trying-out-a-44-magnum


Absolutely true. A .22 will make your ears ring, a 0.44 will make you temporarily deaf. As a (stupid) kid I'd fire weapons without ear protection, and think it was funny my ears would ring afterward, then I hit 15 and started to realize it could have long term consequences.

Really, I think the best protection against a home intruder is a shotgun with bird shot. It probably won't kill them, but it sure as hell will hurt them. You don't have to be accurate either, and you CAN'T be accurate. A slug will blow a hole in them. If you hit them, it doesn't much matter where, they're going to bleed out. With a home intruder, I almost would prefer a lead or steel pipe over a gun, as long as the intruder is not armed. I'm kind of afraid of guns, because I've handled them and shot them. A slug, even if you hit the person, might go right through them and then god knows where.

My brother used a 0.44 shotgun to strike a telephone pole, because, he was my stupider older brother. It blew a hole clean through it. Fortunately the pole didn't collapse, but he covered it up by fitting back the wood chips he blew out of it. I wonder if it still stands? He was always a reckless asshole. He was probably a vandal as well. I hate vandals.
824   Eric Holder   2022 Oct 13, 1:39pm  

(Reuters) - A federal judge in West Virginia has ruled that a federal ban on possessing a gun with its serial number removed is unconstitutional, the first such ruling since the U.S. Supreme Court dramatically expanded gun rights in June.

U.S. District Judge Joseph Goodwin in Charleston found Wednesday that the law was not consistent with the United States' "historical tradition of firearm regulation," the new standard laid out by the Supreme Court in its landmark ruling.

The decision came in a criminal case charging a man, Randy Price, with illegally possessing a gun with the serial number removed that was found in his car. The judge dismissed that charge, though Price is still charged with illegally possessing the gun after being convicted of previous felonies.

A lawyer for Price and a spokesperson for the office of U.S. Attorney William Thompson in Charleston, which is prosecuting the case, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The federal law in question prohibits anyone from transporting a gun with the serial number removed across state lines, or from possessing such a gun if it has ever been transported across state lines.

Serial numbers, first required by the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, are intended to prevent illegal gun sales and make it easier to solve crimes by allowing individual guns to be traced.

Price argued that the law is unconstitutional in light of the Supreme Court's June 24 ruling in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc v. Bruen. That ruling held that under the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the government cannot restrict the right to possess firearms unless the restriction is consistent with historical tradition.

Bruen said serial numbers were not required when the Second Amendment was adopted in 1791, and were not widely used until 1968, putting them outside that tradition.

(Reporting By Brendan Pierson in New York, Editing by Alexia Garamfalvi and Nick Zieminski)

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