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The former voting rights ritual known as 'The Midterms', a quaint custom of humoring those who believed they had a say in the process.

Hircus says

What do people think of the following:

Its a respectful effort as far as ensuring accuracy and integrity while not completely sacrificing privacy or secrecy of each individual vote.

Hircus says

When you vote (in person!), you get a ripped off half of a perforated barcode w/ number.

You can solve the problem of illegitimate voting, but not when your government is illegitimate.

I've seen VERY good ideas created on how to do verification, but there's no interest in it.

https://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/honestelections.html

This is the question you're asking from your government:

"Hey, you fucking cheaters that didn't get elected, why don't you implement this system that will prevent mother fuckers like you from being placed into positions of power that you weren't actually elected to?"

It’s an interesting problem. Obviously you need to do the basic stuff: voter id, clean the rolls, strict absentee laws.

But assuming your advisory has the ability to hack the machines and can add votes, how to defeat that?

You need 2fa for voting. Maybe when you register you need to provide a cell number and that gets a text or a call when you cast a vote? We could provide cheap rsa token gen fobs for people without phones?

pudil says

We could provide cheap rsa token gen fobs for people without phones?

There should be a way that there is privacy and secrecy of the vote. I like the key fob idea and being able to then submit the fob data like who they voted for to a third party which does its own vote counting. The problem is finding capable and honest third parties.

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Patrick says

Hircus says

That number lets you verify online how your vote was recorded for a very long period of time.

Employers and spouses will demand to see your vote.

If your spouse is concerned about who/what you voted for they likely won't be a spouse for long. That seems like massive controlling issues.

I could see employer being problematic though. Especially if working for a small employer. I honestly think it's one of the reasons my previous employer and I separated. I didn't quit and wasn't fired. He knew I voted for Trump. He was one of the crazy liberals and I think we both knew it wasn't going to be good moving forward so we agreed that is was over after 15 years. Was strange on my end. I wasn't hardcore at all politically. I just didn't like Hillary. He took issue with that. He was born and raised in Chicago though, so had been brainwashed his entire life and rarely traveled out of state. Mind you this was a 50 year old man. He was not right of mind.

Man.

You are looking at how to fix the elections by coming up with ideas where the government that wasn't elected decides on whether your idea is accepted or not.

It's TRIVIAL to verify the elections. Here - you have a serial number on your ballot, and you do this:

SHASUM (serialnumber + your voting choices (assigned numbers)).

The HASH won't allow people to determine how you vote, however you can verify your vote. We could have done this in 1990.

We stopped having a valid voting system when George W. Bush ended exit polling in 2004, after he "beat" Al Gore - and maybe he did. People have been screaming "Neocons are fascists!" - well, they are, but now FINALLY you can see it. Think something changed with fascists like Barack Obama or Joe Biden?

Honestly, you don’t even need anything as fancy as 2fa. Just have everyone provide a private passphrase when they register. You need to give the passphrase when you vote. Have to update your passphrase when you re-register every 2 years.

Most of the cheating is just “mules” delivering votes from drooling people in nursing homes, so it’s not going to be fixed by this. To actually fix this you probably need to repeal the 19th and add some type of land ownership or minimum tax pay requirement so voters have skin in the game.

pudil says

Honestly, you don’t even need anything as fancy as 2fa. Just have everyone provide a private passphrase when they register. You need to give the passphrase when you vote. Have to update your passphrase when you re-register every 2 years.

Most of the cheating is just “mules” delivering votes from drooling people in nursing homes, so it’s not going to be fixed by this. To actually fix this you probably need to repeal the 19th and add some type of land ownership or minimum tax pay requirement so voters have skin in the game.

Agreed. I'd add in person voting only elections or very stringent voter ID for in mail voting which has to be requested well ahead of time, maybe with workers coming to the "patient" and a body camera if necessary to fill out/record the vote. It's money well spent in that case.

I think the Democrats are overconfident in their ability to pull in dead people, nursing home vegetables, mail in ballots, printing press multiple duplicated ballots, anonymous drop boxes, No ID illegal immigrants, and internet remote controlled Dominion voting machines. Nobody even polls those. How can we go into an election without reliable polls?

Printed Receipts.

Apparently these are easy for everything from Chalupas to Scented Bath Bombs to using your Fargo Credit Union Card in Tashkent OR at the Bank of Asmodeus Branch on Bumville Street in Sacramento to your grocery bill containing Avocadoes to Zinc Vitamins plus your membership points and 2 coupons for items that were past purchases equally, but are impossible for voting machines to issue.

pudil says

Have to update your passphrase when you re-register every 2 years.

Once you're registered in IL, you're registered for life unless you move. And even then you can put a vote in at your previous location. And requiring renewing registration every 2 years would be considered voter suppression by the Dems.

mell says

very stringent voter ID for in mail voting which has to be requested well ahead of time

Besides deployed military, you just vote in person as you mentioned. If you cannot make it, oh well. I'm very anti-mail in ballot. There's really no excuse. I know nurses that do the 12 hour shift routine. They manage to vote in person. Same with firefighters. Almost all polling places are within walking distance of your home. Most employers allow time to go vote too.

As I've mentioned before red areas are generally at a disadvantage because they're rural and a lot of people have to drive to vote and I'd guess a good 10-20% say fuck it and don't vote. Here in IL farmers could still be harvesting and working 20 hour days. You don't get a day off when your entire profit for the year is sitting in the ground. Most farmers I know manage to vote though. There really is no excuse.

My old neighborhood in Chicago (Pilsen) had I believe 4-6 polling places. Elderly could walk or roll to any of them in less than a 1/4 mile. I could walk to all of them in the entire neighborhood if I wanted. All of them I think were under a 1.5 miles and I was on the far West side of the neighborhood. My local one was 300' yards away.

Still some Cassandra mavens are predicting that the Dems will find some ludicrous virtue signaling excuse to 'postpone' the midterms 'for just a month or so, to assure the safety of our poll workers and drop boxes' or some such nonsense. Of course, like 'flattening the curve in just two weeks', that could lead to an indefinite postponement and frank suspension of the Constitution for dictatorial takeover.

It appears the Satanic forces elected 'avatar of Bill Gates' to deliver their tora tora tora single broadcast truth prior to the implementations of hostilities, atrocities and solid lies, and he predicted civil war over the midterms. Well, we know who is going to start that, and it isn't the MAGA.

Hircus says

When you vote (in person!), you get a ripped off half of a perforated barcode w/ number. That number lets you verify online how your vote was recorded for a very long period of time.

That could apply to mail-in voting as well. Speaking of which, I'm guessing we're on the same page that voting should be in-person with very narrow exceptions (active-duty military in foreign lands, for example).

The problem I see with a anonymous ID number to verify recorded results is that it would allow people to sell their votes because it would allow people to prove to a payer that they voted a certain way. But this is still no worse than the current mail-in system, where anyone wishing to sell their vote would just sell their signed ballot that they didn't fill in (coupled, of course, with lax rules about allowing mules to turn in hundreds of purchased ballots). But your suggestion isn't making the vote-buying situation any worse while closing down one avenue of cheating.

So it seem to come down to needing a system that allows vote verification and also thwarts vote buying. I've been brainstorming this idea for a while, but nothing seems to work well other than the obvious: in-person voting.

An important benefit of having unique ID's for the ballots is that double-counting votes by running them through the counting machines twice will be easily thwarted. And not counting votes will be thwarted. And, if the ranges of IDs are known, printing up additional ballots will be thwarted. All-in-all, given that mail-in already has the huge problem of vote-buying and vote-harvesting, I don't see any additional downside to having these IDs.

The problem I’m trying to solve for isn’t you being able to verify your vote, it’s preventing votes from fake people.

If I can log into my work and be able to work with reasonable certainty on both sides that everyone is who they say they are and that our communications aren’t intercepted, then I should be able to log in and vote without waiting in line 2 hours.

The main problem in person voting is solving is that it is preventing idiots who don’t know shit from voting because they won’t be willing to wait in line 2 hours. This isn’t an effective solution because some will wait in the line and still vote, and also it’s wastes everyone else’s time.

We can just bypass all this trouble. Force everyone to re-register every 2 years. Put some kind of minimum bar to be able to vote.

Okay, best and final proposal. Everyone gets one vote per person they claim on their tax return. Votes are all verified using 2fa using the phone number you list on your tax return.

pudil says

Okay, best and final proposal. Everyone gets one vote per person they claim on their tax return. Votes are all verified using 2fa using the phone number you list on your tax return.

They will claim discrimination against all those who do not file taxes, and emphasis how the non-filers are heavily POC.

I'll reiterate - vote as late as possible on the day of the election. If enough people did this (like > 90%) then it would almost be possible to overwhelm the cheating apparatus.

I jest of course - the fix will be in, and in spades.

stereotomy says

I jest of course - the fix will be in, and in spades.

Agree, as they will just add the Dem votes they need to barely win toward the end of counting votes, Biden-2020-style or Lula-style.

stereotomy says

I'll reiterate - vote as late as possible on the day of the election. If enough people did this (like > 90%) then it would almost be possible to overwhelm the cheating apparatus.

I jest of course - the fix will be in, and in spades.

I heard the early voting ballots are locked up to be counted election night.

I'm not one to ever put weight on polls but having done (almost) as much as I could in NYC to see this push happen:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/breaking-republican-lee-zelder-pulls-ahead-kathy-hochul-new-york-state-governors-race-promises-block-covid-mandates-children/

Lee Zeldin has taken a lead against Kathy Hochul in New York Governor Race - Trafalgar (R) Lee Zeldin: 48.4% (+0.8) (D) Kathy Hochul: 47.6%

As for the feeling here, maybe it's different than the mayoral race because many of the people experiencing post-lockdown crime were still hiding in their homes last year. As for a Republican NY gov being perceived as an impossibility, George Pataki was not that long ago, in a New York better than this one. An upset is more likely than the rest of the country might think, at least ideologically it has already occurred. I am expecting voting shenanigans especially out of the metro area, as per usual. The game to watch is by what margin they manage to stack in their favor.