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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2022 Dec 22, 5:49am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2022 Dec 22, 5:49am
You are asking philosophical questions when most of day to day life is governed by objective fact…that which is measurable, quantifiable, and observable.
Our news media is a great example of a medium that fails to incorporate all relevant objective fact in their reporting and rather views their discipline as one that ought to push for social change. Which is why there is now so little faith that the US MSM is truthful.
Of course as an ISTJ, I see nearly all philosophy as utter bullshit.
Our news media is a great example of a medium that fails to incorporate all relevant objective fact in their reporting and rather views their discipline as one that ought to push for social change. Which is why there is now so little faith that the US MSM is truthful.
Of course as an ISTJ, I see nearly all philosophy as utter bullshit.
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RayAmerica
2022 Dec 22, 5:49am
RayAmerica
2022 Dec 22, 5:49am
Interesting subject.
Pontius Pilot asked this question of Christ prior to sentencing Him to His crucifixion:
Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? - John 18:38
Jesus said to the Jewish 'believers' (that wanted to believe in Him, but rejected His word) in John 8: 31-37
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you."
Pontius Pilot asked this question of Christ prior to sentencing Him to His crucifixion:
Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? - John 18:38
Jesus said to the Jewish 'believers' (that wanted to believe in Him, but rejected His word) in John 8: 31-37
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you."
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NuttBoxer
2022 Dec 22, 9:05am
NuttBoxer
2022 Dec 22, 9:05am
DD214 says
Lies would be more accurate.
Most of the points you list deal with the same issue. That people often base truth on personal experience, rather than seeking an universal rule, or a measuring stick to help temper that experience in light of the truth. Although now days, even that is being replaced by propaganda for many as the new truth they measure the world by.
Best analogy I've ever heard was from an old Chinese pastor who said the truth is like turning the light on in a dark room. Without that light you have no hope of navigating the room, or using it's contents without quite a bit of stumbling, or even falling, and of course blindly groping.
The Renaissance, for all it's great art, was mainly a self-centered attempt to re-define man, or the self, as the center of the universe. With that context the overlap in the OP's points makes perfect sense.
In a world of disagreement
Lies would be more accurate.
Most of the points you list deal with the same issue. That people often base truth on personal experience, rather than seeking an universal rule, or a measuring stick to help temper that experience in light of the truth. Although now days, even that is being replaced by propaganda for many as the new truth they measure the world by.
Best analogy I've ever heard was from an old Chinese pastor who said the truth is like turning the light on in a dark room. Without that light you have no hope of navigating the room, or using it's contents without quite a bit of stumbling, or even falling, and of course blindly groping.
The Renaissance, for all it's great art, was mainly a self-centered attempt to re-define man, or the self, as the center of the universe. With that context the overlap in the OP's points makes perfect sense.
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NuttBoxer
2022 Dec 22, 9:08am
NuttBoxer
2022 Dec 22, 9:08am
RayAmerica says
In the Greek, Te Aletheia. Big fucking question.
Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? - John 18:38
In the Greek, Te Aletheia. Big fucking question.
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richwicks
2024 Mar 27, 7:28pm
richwicks
2024 Mar 27, 7:28pm
Patrick says
I'd say it's easier than ever.
20 years ago, basically nobody was aware the media was even propaganda. It's not changed at all in those 20 years. I remember expecting somebody to call out Fox News for continually lying about the Iraq War, no NEWS service did, but the Daily Show did. They don't do that shit anymore.
I'd say it's easier than ever.
20 years ago, basically nobody was aware the media was even propaganda. It's not changed at all in those 20 years. I remember expecting somebody to call out Fox News for continually lying about the Iraq War, no NEWS service did, but the Daily Show did. They don't do that shit anymore.
1. Before accepting or dismissing the idea of objective truth, ask yourself what ‘objective truth’ is supposed to be. There are different ways to understand the idea that truth is objective, and each of them is plausible when applied to at least some of our beliefs.
2. The ideas of ‘your truth’ and ‘my truth’ may be self-undermining, and they’re hard to spell out. It may seem that each of us has ‘different truths’, but endorsing this idea seems to undermine it, and it’s not so clear what the idea even amounts to.
3. Truth may be one of the most basic concepts that we have. The idea that truth is a primitive concept helps to explain why philosophical definitions of truth fail to deliver. Four decades of research in developmental psychology also shows us that we should take this idea seriously.
4. Someone from another culture may think differently about truth than you do. Our cultures and languages can affect the beliefs we have about truth. This means that we need to carefully consider how truth is represented across different cultures.
5. Truth’s nature may be simpler than you think. The nature of truth can seem impossibly complex. However, the commonsensical idea that true claims tell us what the world is like gives us a straightforward and useful procedure for thinking about truth.
https://psyche.co/guides/how-to-think-about-truth-in-a-philosophically-informed-way