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Is the West Ready for a Land War With Russia?


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2023 Feb 4, 10:37am   4,224 views  41 comments

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Not if Great Britain is any indication as to the preparedness of the West.

Former General Warns: U.K. Military Would Run Out of Ammo In One Day of Fighting Russia

General Sir Richard Barrons, who formerly served as the Joint Forces chief, claimed that spending cuts have depleted the British military to such an extent that, in a hot war with Russia, the UK would run out of ammunition and artillery shells within just one day.

According to research conducted by The Sun newspaper, the United Kingdom’s ammunition plants would need at least one year to produce the amount of shells currently used by the Ukrainians in their conflict with Russia.

“This is truly shocking. But it is true. And we must fix it,” General Barrons wrote. “The UK spends more on defence than any EU ally and our brave Armed Forces have long been one of Britain’s most influential levers around the world.”

“Yet for decades they have been hollowed out by spending cuts,” he added, saying that the government would need to spend an additional £3 billion per year on the military to fall in line with the top level of the NATO alliance.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/02/04/uk-military-would-run-out-of-ammo-in-just-one-day-of-fighting-russia-warns-general/

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7   mell   2023 Feb 4, 12:06pm  

There's no need to defend Europe because nobody is trying to start a war with sovereign European countries. This is a regional conflict the MIC is trying to blow up. Europe should be doing business with Russia
8   Onvacation   2023 Feb 4, 12:51pm  

clambo says

I say get it over with a fuck up Russia good so they don't fuck around again.

And let the new world order reign?

I don't know what the fuck is going on in Ukraine but I do know they are as corrupt as the Biden family. This war is not about Russian aggression as much as western corruption.
9   RayAmerica   2023 Feb 4, 1:17pm  

NATO's encircling of Russia has continued unabated since the days of Gorbachev. When the old USSR was collapsing under its own weight, then Sec. of State James Baker and (New World Order) President George H. W. Bush both promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand its membership. Of course, that promise was broken, as NATO's ongoing expansion has resulted in the encirclement of Russia that Gorbachev feared. Ukraine, which borders the Black Sea, is key to Russia's defense for a variety of reasons, with control of the Black Sea being paramount.

Prior to Putin's invasion, Ukraine had been supplied with an abundance of war material, no doubt, in preparation for what NATO knew was coming; a severe response from Russia due to NATO's provocation.

America has a long history of provoking other nations. Just one example is that which led an isolationist (due to the disaster of WW I) America into another European War (i.e., WW II). America did everything imaginable to provoke Japan into making an act of war, primarily using a 'blockade' of the small island nation, citing Japan's military aggression in Communist China. FDR and his fellow warmongers used Japan as a 'back door' excuse to enter the war in Europe, knowing full well that Germany (through the Tripartate Pact) was obligated to declare war on America due to the hostilities between Japan and America. FDR's declaration that Pearl Harbor was an "unprovoked, surprise attack" is one of the most infamous lies ever uttered by an American politician. He knew all along that the December 7th. attack was coming. Why? Because both the diplomatic and MILITARY codes were broken by U. S. cryptographers prior to the Pearl attack. They knew that the Japanese attack fleet was heading to Pearl Harbor, yet, no timely warning were sent. The bottom line: THEY WANTED IT TO HAPPEN and they wanted the attack to be severe enough in order to rally Americans to go to war.

Proof that Europe was the goal all along is provided by the fact that America immediately concentrated the bulk of their efforts on Europe, and not, to the stated chagrin of Gen. Douglas MacArthur, on the Pacific theater.
10   HeadSet   2023 Feb 4, 1:30pm  

RayAmerica says

America did everything imaginable to provoke Japan into making an act of war, primarily using a 'blockade' of the small island nation, citing Japan's military aggression in Communist China.

There was no blockade of Japan, and there was no Communist China in 1941.
11   Onvacation   2023 Feb 4, 1:45pm  

HeadSet says

RayAmerica says


America did everything imaginable to provoke Japan into making an act of war, primarily using a 'blockade' of oil embargo on the small island nation, citing Japan's military aggression in Communist China.

There was no blockade of Japan, and there was no Communist China in 1941.

Fixed it to be more historically accurate.

Of course there is more to the story. Imperial Japan knew war with the US was inevitable. The US empire already stretched to the Philippines, which was within Japan's imperial plans. A clash of empires was going to happen.
12   Ceffer   2023 Feb 4, 2:06pm  

Forget about land wars. Russia needs to go into Switzerland and dig the Octagon and the demon rats out of their bunkers with extreme prejudice. All this shit will end.
13   GNL   2023 Feb 4, 2:17pm  

I have never seen Russia referred to as the CCCP.
14   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 4, 4:18pm  

No, America did not antagonize Japan.

In fact, the Tojotards antagonized America, by attacking our shipping in China. They actively conspired, from assassinating Japanese politicians to deliberately attacking US Shipping, to start a war with the USA.

The Imperial Japanese Navy felt "left out" of the China war and wanted to "Do something" to look important, too.

The Tojo Tards assassinated fellow Fascists because they didn't want to start with the USA until after the Chinese were handled. That's how militant they were.

The problem with times like these is forces start propagandizing the past and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Especially with the new "Hitler wasn't that bad" crap, ignoring his invasions of multiple non-Communist states long before Barbarossa, and ones that had no land beef with Germany and no German population (ie Invasion of Yugoslavia), and his own admission he was looking to Conquer and Depopulate of Slavs, in what would become the Ostmark of Germany.

The History of 1930s Japan is interesting, with Hirohito himself scuffawing at Tojotards who were pushing war with the US sooner rather than later, and giving him "One Year to defeat the USN" bullshit. He said "That's what you told me about China".

The Marco Polo Bridge Incident is also interesting. Both the Japanese and Chinese Nationalist general had regular meetings and handshake agreements with each other. Mysterious shots were fired, both met and decided it was some kind of rabble rousers and agreed to ignore it. As soon as they left the meeting, it started again.

Some Japanese and Chinese Nationalists alike have the theory it was the Communists that were the instigators, since the Japanese-Nationalist understanding allowed the Nat Chinese to chase them down, by getting the war started it took the pressure off them and gave them a target in the IJA that all Chinese could hate.
15   RayAmerica   2023 Feb 4, 5:10pm  

FDR’s Responsibility for the Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor
by Jacob G. Hornberger, founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.

There is one thing that is beyond dispute about the December 7, 1941, Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor: It would never have happened if President Franklin Roosevelt had not squeezed the Japanese into initiating the attack with his oil embargo on Japan.

In his 1940 campaign for an unprecedented fourth term as president, Roosevelt pretended to side with the vast majority of Americans who opposed entry into World War II. He told American voters, “I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again; your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.”

It was a lie. In fact, Roosevelt was secretly doing everything he could to embroil the United States into the European war between England, France, and Germany.

This was during the time that U.S. presidents were still complying with the constitutional restriction that required a congressional declaration of war before a president could wage war. If the situation back then were the same as it is now, Roosevelt would simply have ordered U.S. forces to go to war against Germany without bothering to get a congressional declaration of war.

FDR knew that Congress would never give him a declaration of war against Germany. That’s because the American people, after the massive waste of life and treasure in World War I, were overwhelmingly opposed to entering what was really a continuation of that war some twenty years later.

After all, let’s not forget that the goals of Wilson’s intervention into World War I (with a congressional declaration of war) were (1) to make the world safe for democracy and (2) to end all future European wars. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, the rise of the Hitler regime demonstrated to the American people that neither of Wilson’s goals had been achieved. In fact, Wilson’s intervention, which brought about Germany’s total defeat and the vindictive Treaty of Versailles, was one of the principal factors that gave rise to Hitler and his Nazi party. Thus, it was no surprise that Americans had no desire to go through another deadly and destructive European war.

FDR knew, however, that there was one surefire way to circumvent the will of the American people. If he could induce Germany to attack the United States, he could get his congressional declaration of war on grounds of “self-defense.”

Thus, FDR did everything he could to goad Germany into attacking U.S. vessels in the Atlantic. But the Germans refused to take FDR’s bait.

Roosevelt, however, did not give up. He turned his focus to the Pacific, thinking that if he could induce the Japanese to attack the United States, he could use that attack as a “back door” to entry into the European war.

FDR knew that Japan desperately depended on oil to continue waging its war in China. If FDR could interfere with Japan’s oil supplies, Japan would be put into the position of either having to withdraw from China or attacking the United States to ensure a continuous supply of oil from the Dutch East Indies.

That was FDR’s goal when he imposed his oil embargo on the Japanese. He knew that the chances that Japan would withdraw its war machine from China were nil. He knew that Japan would inevitably choose the other option — to attack the United States in order to keep it oil supplies running.

And that is precisely what FDR wanted. He wanted Japan to attack the United States somewhere so that he could then react with shock and horror as he requested a declaration of war from Congress on grounds of self-defense. He hoped that war with Japan could then be used to somehow secure a congressional declaration of war against Germany.

The U.S. war with Japan was never about freedom, as American students have long been taught in U.S. public (i.e., government) schools. Japan never had any intention of invading and conquering the United States. More important, they never had the military capability to even contemplate that possibility.

Their only aim was to damage the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor to such a large extent that it could not interfere with Japan’s securing of oil supplies in the Dutch East Indies.

The battleships stationed at Pearl provided the perfect bait for the Japanese military. But the wily Roosevelt had ensured that American aircraft carriers were out to sea when the December 7 attack came. Those carriers would later play an invaluable role in the defeat of Japan in the war for the Pacific.

On December 7, 1941, Roosevelt achieved his aim. Japan attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor and Roosevelt, in turn, expressing shock and horror, got his congressional declaration of war from Congress.

More important, immediately after the attack, Germany declared war on the United States. That got Roosevelt what he really wanted the whole time — entry into the European conflict.
16   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 4, 7:28pm  

RayAmerica says


The U.S. war with Japan was never about freedom, as American students have long been taught in U.S. public (i.e., government) schools. Japan never had any intention of invading and conquering the United States. More important, they never had the military capability to even contemplate that possibility.

That wasn't their intent. Their intent was to weaken the US Pacific Fleet long enough to secure the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere and dominate EastPac.

The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, Clark Field, invaded several US Pacific Islands on the same day. Japan built up a massive network of saboteurs and informants for over a decade across Hawaii and CONUS.

Carriers were considered Auxillary Vessels to spot for the Battleships until that day, when a lot of prophetic voices were finally proved right against Old Guard Naval Strategists.

Every single thing the Japanese did in 1942, from invading Hong Kong to the Phillipennes to Singapore to invading Burma to occupying the Solomons was planned out years in advance. Right down to testing, planning, and then using bicycles to get their soldiers down the Malay Penninsula.

It was a Power Play for Imperial Japan.
17   richwicks   2023 Feb 4, 7:55pm  

HeadSet says

There was no blockade of Japan,


Yes, there was. The US began the Japanese oil embargo on July 26, 1941.

https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

HeadSet says

and there was no Communist China in 1941.


China had been in civil war starting in 1927 although Mao didn't declare victory until 1949.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution

I'm tired of people still repeating the propaganda that was all drilled us into as children. The US wanted to enter WWII, and FDR made certain it happened. Pearl Harbor was not planned so much by the Japanese, but by the US government. If Americans were just capable of recognizing that the US federal government CONTINUALLY does this, it would end and wouldn't repeat itself.

War is a waste of resources and blood. It's easily avoidable. The only justified wars are revolutions at this point.
18   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 5, 10:12am  

richwicks says


Yes, there was. The US began the Japanese oil embargo on July 26, 1941.

Following the Japanese occupation and annexation of Indo-China on July 24th, 1941, putting them within easy striking distance of the Philippines (US), Singapore (UK) and Dutch Indonesia (Netherlands).

The Greater East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere was announced on August 1st, 1940, almost a year before.

The US and Japan were negotiating in 1941, but Tojo (War Minister at that point) was scotching any concessions on Japanese Expansion or attempts to end the war in China, and the plans to invade US territories had been developed and troops trained specifically for the task since 1940. Konoe resigned unable to restrain the Tojotards, and despite warnings from the Imperial Navy they would not last in the long term against the USN, the plan to occupy West Pac and attack proceeded.

In August 1941 the DEI (Dutch East Indies) would only sell about a third of the oil Japan wanted, and that's when the decision was made that Japan would fight the whole West Pac

On December 7th the Japanese invaded and/or attacked:

Dutch East Indies
Hong Kong
Malaya
Philippines
Singapore
Annexed Thailand forcibly
British, Dutch, Australian, and NZ Shipping, interned their citizens, or launched attacks on their territories and assets

Within a week added:
Borneo
Burma

Not just the USA.

Germany and Japan were aggressive expansive powers that eventually caused a coalition to arise against them. They reaped what they sowed, and this is standard Geopolitics at play since States (or clans or tribes) existed.
19   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 5, 10:37am  

Also, Doolittle's April 1942 raid for show was a response to a February 1942 shelling of a California Oil Refinery by a Japanese Sub.

In Early 1942 Japanese refuse any and all Red Cross aid to POWs.

In 1943 Japanese announce executions for all Allied Air Crews captured as official policy. In the English message, this is worded exactly: "One Way Ticket to Hell"

And speaking of Balloons from Asia, the Japanese intended to set fire to the whole of the Pacific Coast with 100s of balloons.
20   PeopleUnited   2023 Feb 5, 8:20pm  

When you realize that the same bankers who were funding the Axis were also funding the Allies, you will finally understand that all wars are ultimately orchestrated by the Uber wealthy to increase their wealth and consolidate control.

The reasons for wars are nearly limitless, but the capacity to wage an extended war is limited by resources. Those that control the resources are the only winners of any war. and those that control the resources don’t need to fight, that is what control means, ultimate control.

But there is one above the Uber wealthy that is returning soon to remind this fallen world who is in control. He will end all of the wars, and there will be peace for a thousand years. But first, the most terrible time on earth must happen. The good news is that you can escape that terrible time because before the tribulation God will deliver all believers (even those who don’t believe in the Rapture) and raise all the dead in Christ to gather them for the marriage supper of the lamb. Will you be on the guest list? You can be!

Romans chapter 10:9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
21   PeopleUnited   2023 Feb 5, 8:40pm  

Wolverines!
22   casandra   2023 Feb 6, 9:55am  

I originally thought that yes, Biden wants a war over Ukraine. But when that missile landed in Poland a few months ago I was very surprised how fast Biden and every western clown said correctly, no it was a Ukrainian missile. Wow. I realized we are afraid to face Russia head on. This I thought would have been the perfect false flag for us.
23   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2023 Feb 6, 3:50pm  

casandra says

I originally thought that yes, Biden wants a war over Ukraine. But when that missile landed in Poland a few months ago I was very surprised how fast Biden and every western clown said correctly, no it was a Ukrainian missile. Wow. I realized we are afraid to face Russia head on. This I thought would have been the perfect false flag for us.


My guess is that their line of thinking is "Why do our own dirty work, when we can use up Ukrainians to do it?". A lot cheaper that way, and you don't have to have to deal with American mothers writing you angry letters when their son gets blown up overseas.
24   RayAmerica   2023 Feb 6, 4:36pm  

AmericanKulak says


Germany and Japan were aggressive expansive powers that eventually caused a coalition to arise against them.

A few points to consider:

First, post WW I, much of Germany's actions were based upon the crushing terms of the Versailles Treaty, which not only took land away from Germany, but also inflicted war reparations which greatly contributed to crippling their economy and currency. In short, Versailles was almost a guarantee that Germany would one day rise again and 'make things right.' Once Britain and France (France had the largest and most modern armed forces in the world) caved into Hitler's incremental demands, he was encouraged (by all accounts) to believe that he was dealing with cowards and weaklings. Unlike the USSR, Germany had no realistic goal to 'conquer the world.' Germany was a land based power, which didn't even have the ability to cross the English Channel in order to invade Britain. Germany did want to conquer Eastern Europe, and, eventually Russia. (The often repeated assertion: "If we didn't win the war, we'd all be speaking German" is so ridiculous, it should make any thinking person laugh at the shear notion).

Japan and China had a very long, ancient history of warfare between the two nations. Japan's aggression in China back then was really nothing all that unusual. It was definitely wrong, but, not out of the ordinary. After WW I, it was America that began to 'expand' into Pacific, with numerous bases and a strong military presence, including naval, in the region. Try to imagine how Japan, an island nation, must have felt about the expansion of American military bases in their region of the Pacific. For illustrative purposes, just look at how America responded when the USSR put missiles in Cuba in 1962 ... it almost resulted in WW III.

The nation that had a doctrinaire desire to 'conquer the world' was the USSR. Their 'revolutionaries' had already spread throughout Europe, and, even had a fairly strong presence in America. Under that despotic regime, Lenin & Stalin were directly responsible for the murders of over 40 million Russian people. When the guns went silent after WW II, who was it that controlled the bulk of Eastern Europe under their iron grip?
None other than the 2nd. worst mass murderer in history, Joseph Stalin (the 1st. is China's Mao, which America helped gain power over the Chinese Nationalists).

Try to let that sink in; we fought a brutal, bloody war in order to 'free' Eastern Europe by turning them over to one of the most evil despots in all of human history!
25   richwicks   2023 Feb 6, 5:32pm  

AmericanKulak says


Germany and Japan were aggressive expansive powers that eventually caused a coalition to arise against them. They reaped what they sowed, and this is standard Geopolitics at play since States (or clans or tribes) existed.


Look, I don't care to argue about this too much, but this is the Philippines:

https://goo.gl/maps/aqRp2Ln1PLUMZuQH8

Who is the aggressive expansionist power here? Right now it's Monday, 17:32 here in California. It's 09:32 am, Tuesday in the Philippines. Just WHY is the Philippines part of the US?

Do you know how the US conquered the Philippines in 1902? The men went to the hills as US infantry landed, and fought a guerrilla war. The US infantry just started killing the women and children they left behind. It used to be we didn't even PRETEND to fuck around with resistance. We're still just as brutal today. We are intentionally starving Yemen right now. We don't see it on the propaganda box, and it's censored on our "social media", but it's happening.
26   richwicks   2023 Feb 7, 1:11am  

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Yes, there was. The US began the Japanese oil embargo on July 26, 1941.

Following the Japanese occupation and annexation of Indo-China on July 24th, 1941, putting them within easy striking distance of the Philippines (US), Singapore (UK) and Dutch Indonesia (Netherlands).


I'm not trying to do anything other than correct statements. The US began an oil embargo on July 26, 1941 - I neither condemn nor defend this. I'm only pointing out this happened.

I can't possibly understand the situation in 1941. Honestly, I doubt FDR did, but given the shit we have for government today, I wouldn't be surprised if we had shit for government back then. I can't KNOW this, but I suspect. I don't think the US federal government has worked in favor of this nation for a long long time. I think Woodrow Wilson was the greatest traitor this nation ever had - he created the Federal Reserve and he created the IRS and since then, the country we're told about in public school, hasn't existed.

I can't know this is true, but I suspect and unfortunately, I have found many of my suspicions have turned out to be correct. I once suspected that our corporate news media was nothing but propaganda, now I know for certain it is. Took me a good 20 years to come to that conclusion.
27   richwicks   2023 Feb 7, 1:14am  

PeopleUnited says

But there is one above the Uber wealthy that is returning soon to remind this fallen world who is in control. He will end all of the wars, and there will be peace for a thousand years.


I do admire your faith, but I cannot believe in it. Must be a good source of comfort.
28   PeopleUnited   2023 Feb 7, 3:52am  

You will believe it when you see it. Hopefully before it is too late. There is a difference between cannot and will not. Please consider that what a person believes is based on their choices.
29   zzyzzx   2023 Feb 7, 7:14am  

richwicks says

I can't possibly understand the situation in 1941. Honestly, I doubt FDR did, but given the shit we have for government today, I wouldn't be surprised if we had shit for government back then. I can't KNOW this, but I suspect.


Is there any doubt in your mind? I mean FDR was pretty much a communist. He even half of Europe and Korea to Stalin.
30   richwicks   2023 Feb 8, 6:52pm  

zzyzzx says


richwicks says


I can't possibly understand the situation in 1941. Honestly, I doubt FDR did, but given the shit we have for government today, I wouldn't be surprised if we had shit for government back then. I can't KNOW this, but I suspect.


Is there any doubt in your mind? I mean FDR was pretty much a communist. He even (gave) half of Europe and Korea to Stalin.



I don't have good enough knowledge on FDR to make an assessment of that time period.

I do NOT understand entirely what Nazi Germany was like, for example. I cannot judge it to be better or worse than Communist Russia. I know what SOME people said of it at the time. Patton said, and I've confirmed this, that the US fought on the wrong side. Although he was charged with opposing he Nazis, he found the USSR to be a greater threat.

I'm WELL aware that we are given distorted history about Nazi Germany, however, I don't think, at least NAZI, fascism is a good idea and I oppose it. This may be a result of my ignorance. I do know that much of what we are told about the Nazi regime of that time is, well, "embellished" but I also know that they were a ruthless regime. I'm 1/2 Polish, the Nazi regime intended to first enslave the Poles, then exterminate them, if I am to trust the records that were supposedly recovered. They could be falsified, much about WWII has been falsified.

Every war has lies, but WWII, man, I think that's the biggest set of lies. We don't even know why WWI started, consider that. Do you really think there was a world war over the murder of of archduke Franz Ferdinand? That was the excuse in my opinion.
31   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 8, 7:09pm  

richwicks says


I'm not trying to do anything other than correct statements. The US began an oil embargo on July 26, 1941 - I neither condemn nor defend this. I'm only pointing out this happened.

Yes, and I'm pointing out it's a reaction to Japan further expanding their reach from a War in China, to occupying French Indo-China.

It was done in response to Japanese Aggressive Expansion to put pressure on them to tone things down, not heighten tension.

richwicks says


Do you know how the US conquered the Philippines in 1902? The men went to the hills as US infantry landed, and fought a guerrilla war. The US infantry just started killing the women and children they left behind. It used to be we didn't even PRETEND to fuck around with resistance. We're still just as brutal today. We are intentionally starving Yemen right now. We don't see it on the propaganda box, and it's censored on our "social media", but it's happening.

Incorrect: The US conquered the Spanish Possession of the Philippine Area in 1902 in the Spanish-American War. Not an independent Phillippines.

By 1941, the Phillipines were on a clear path to self-rule and had a President and a Military, and the US was winding down it's occupation.

In the Early 19th, the US clashed with the Dictators of Mexico for two reasons:
A) Their abrogation of their own Treaty of Indepedence from Spain, which required Texans be allowed to be self-governing according to their Spanish Charter
B) Battling over Indian territory in the SW where the majority of people outside a handful of Clerics were neither Spaniards Nor Aztecs Nor "Mexicans" and had no allegiance to either. Mexican propaganda has their population thinking the Apache, Utes, etc. were all loyal to Our Lady of Gaudeloupe and proud Mexicans evilly conquered by the Anglos, when those groups didn't feel any allegiance to Mexico OR the USA. It was a Colonial War between two ex-Colonial Possessions.

My point is, a lot of "Look how bad the US Was" Revisionist History was created by Turd Worlders, Imperial Losers (most countries bet on Mexico over the US due to the former's resources and population and closeness to the Rio Grande), and Marxists in the 60s, and is more distorted and tendentious than the American History taught before it.
32   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 8, 7:27pm  

zzyzzx says


Is there any doubt in your mind? I mean FDR was pretty much a communist. He even half of Europe and Korea to Stalin.

"Anti-Anti Communists" in the State and "Army" Department (now DoD). Thanks to McCarthy and the Verona Cables, we know the WW2 and post WW2 Administrations were full of Soviet (partially) sympathetic Ivy League Old Yankee-Technocrats, the same group of people behind the Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, WEF, GATT, IMF, etc.

Some were flat out Soviet Symps while many believed in some "Hegelian Dialectic" that would combine Americanism with Soviet Philosophy in an Ideal Technocracy. Naturally this idea appealed to the sons of Wealthy and Old Yankee Families as they saw themselves as the Apparatchiks of the Golden New Social Republic.

That is the "Capitalist Conspiracy" we struggle against - big business and corporatism with the revolving door in the bureaucracy to bring Globaloney and the Deep State to control Economy and prevent Populism from resisting Excellent Management By Experts Over Their Whole Lives.

There's no doubt in my mind Patton was assassinated because he was a few days away from returning to the USA, when given a clot shot to prevent him from spilling the beans on the vile Donovan and others grovelling cooperation with the Soviets.

Donovan gave the Soviets back a copy of a codebook the US Army Intel had gotten from Finnish Connections, while getting every OSS agent to announce themselves in Eastern Europe, without demanding the same of the Soviets in Western Europe.
33   richwicks   2023 Feb 8, 7:31pm  

AmericanKulak says


Yes, and I'm pointing out it's a reaction to Japan further expanding their reach from a War in China, to occupying French Indo-China.

It was done in response to Japanese Aggressive Expansion to put pressure on them to tone things down, not heighten tension.


It was done to create a justification for the US to enter WWII.

AmericanKulak says


Incorrect: The US conquered the Spanish Possession of the Philippine Area in 1902 in the Spanish-American War. Not an independent Phillippines.


The independence of the Philippines wasn't a problem if the United States. The US government does not care about human rights NOW, they didn't care about it then either. The US doesn't go into countries to help them.

The Philippines are the problem of the Filipinos (I hate English sometimes), and Russia is a problem of Russians, and the United States is a problem of US citizens. Nobody invades a country to help the population. We didn't bomb Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, or Pakistan to help the people there.

Stay the fuck out of other countries is the lesson of history. How many times do we need to see this before we learn the lesson?

We went to war in Vietnam not because we were worried about communists, but because we wanted France to join NATO after WWII, and they wanted to keep their stupid territory and dragged us into their war. IF WE WERE SMART, we would have just conquered France and give Vietnam independence, which we promised them, to enter WWII on the side of the Allies. We are NOT allies with Europe and never have been - blowing up the Nordstream pipelines should underscore that.

Get out of these stupid conflicts. They work against this country, and doesn't benefit anybody other than a few psychopaths in power. Instead of accommodating them, jail them, execute them. This is the sickness of our society. They are. Dick Cheney should have been in prison in the 1980's, and should have died there. If that happened, what kind of world would we have then?
34   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 8, 7:35pm  

richwicks says


It was done to create a justification for the US to enter WWII.

No, it was a response to the Japanese occupation of Free French Indo-China, putting Japanese Bettys within striking distance of US Territory

richwicks says


Get out of these stupid conflicts. They work against this country, and doesn't benefit anybody other than a few psychopaths in power.

Just because you're not interested in Geopolitics, it doesn't mean Geopolitics won't not be interested in you.

We can't let a single power rule Eurasia to the Urals or it would be so mighty as to endanger the US. I feel the same way about Reich IV/HRE 2.0/EU as I do about the Third Reich or (once) a Soviet Conquest of Europe. Fortunately those situations are easy to prevent; but sadly our Government won't do the very easy and cheap things to do to break up the 4th Reich because our Elites are in league with the Brussels (actually Berlin) Technocrats over there for a one-world Corporatist State.

I don't want Russia in Berlin for the same reason I don't want Germans in Moscow

US entry into WW2 was necessary because Britain and France failed to anticipate and react to the rise of the Third Reich until it was too late; and had the US not intervened, the Soviets would have conquered Europe at least to the Rhine since the UK by itself, even with US Aid, would have been unable to reconquer Europe at least to the Rhine by end of 1945.

Our biggest successes were when our hands and gifts were the lightest and minimal.
35   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 8, 7:37pm  

richwicks says

IF WE WERE SMART, we would have just conquered France and give Vietnam independence,

Or, just suborned Ho Chi Mihn who was more of a Nationalist than a Communist.

Imagine if we gave Vietnam 1/10th of what we spent in 1967 in Vietnam in machinery, loans, etc. plus some tariff exemptions for them to export cheap athletic socks back in the 60s.

But that wouldn't save Bell Helicopter from Bankruptcy.
36   richwicks   2023 Feb 8, 8:03pm  

AmericanKulak says


Just because you're not interested in Geopolitics, Geopolitics won't not be interested in you.


I'm obviously interested in geopolitics, but there's much I don't know.

AmericanKulak says


richwicks says


IF WE WERE SMART, we would have just conquered France and give Vietnam independence,

Or, just suborned Ho Chi Mihn who was more of a Nationalist than a Communist.

Imagine if we gave Vietnam 1/10th of what we spent in 1967 in Vietnam in machinery, loans, etc. plus some tariff exemptions for them to export cheap athletic socks back in the 60s.

But that wouldn't save Bell Helicopter from Bankruptcy.



Yeah, I agree.

We should have lived up to our agreement with Ho Chi Mihn. Fuck France, we didn't need them to be a part of NATO.

Our involvement with the Vietnam war bankrupted this nation, forcing us off the gold standard and the irony is that it was FRANCE that forced this, since Charles de Gaulle sent warships to NY city to pick up their expatriated gold.

France acted in their own interests, the US was stupid to work for France's interests. I respect France in acting in their own interests, the United States - well, hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Seems very stupid to have worked on their behalf now. I think the entire Vietnam war could have been avoided. France would have been easy to put under our thumb after WWII, and I don't think even that was necessary. We didn't need them.

I'm very anti-war, it just destroys shit, and causes generational problems, but I still believe in a strong defense, DEFENSE, no offense. I don't think the US has acted in defense maybe, ever. Perhaps the revolutionary war.
37   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 8, 8:05pm  

richwicks says


We should have lived up to our agreement with Ho Chi Mihn. Fuck France, we didn't need them to be a part of NATO.

Yes. French were left NATO what, in the 70s? Nice return for that favor.

richwicks says


Our involvement with the Vietnam war bankrupted this nation, forcing us off the gold standard and the irony is that it was FRANCE that forced this, since Charles de Gaulle sent warships to NY city to pick up their expatriated gold.

Yep. We should have put in LeClerc instead.

EDIT: LeClerc knew after 1 year in IndoChina in 1946 or 1947 that Ho could be suborned and it was better to have them as an independent state within the Francophonie. And that Vietnamese fear of the Chinese - their historical invader - and motivations of Nationalism more so than Communism would help that along.
38   richwicks   2023 Feb 8, 8:08pm  

AmericanKulak says


richwicks says


We should have lived up to our agreement with Ho Chi Mihn. Fuck France, we didn't need them to be a part of NATO.

Yes. French were left NATO what, in the 70s? Nice return for that favor.

richwicks says


Our involvement with the Vietnam war bankrupted this nation, forcing us off the gold standard and the irony is that it was FRANCE that forced this, since Charles de Gaulle sent warships to NY city to pick up their expatriated gold.

Yep. We should have put in LeClerc instead.



Just stay out of other nation's business. Nothing good comes from being involved in my opinion.

We should co-operate with nations, not try to fuck with them or rule them.

Did a business make a bad investment in a country that later fucked them over like the Aramco in Iran, or The United Fruit Company in Guatemala? Oh fucking well. Stupidity should be punished, the US military should only be involved with protection of this nation, and nothing more. We should be working for complete independence.
39   AD   2023 Feb 8, 8:12pm  

I don't see the USA having USA troops fight Russian troops even if there are brief Russian incursions into Poland or other eastern European countries belong to NATO.

The Russians would have to make it to central Poland for the USA to possibly get involved and likely it won't be troops but the USA's air force and navy.
40   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 8, 8:17pm  

richwicks says

I'm obviously interested in geopolitics, but there's much I don't know.

That wasn't a flex, but a saying. It didn't mean YOU personally.

I'm a moderate isolationist but willing to offshore balance with goodies and aid IF there are willing and non-problematic (not necessarily perfect) actors to support.
41   richwicks   2023 Feb 9, 1:01am  

AmericanKulak says


richwicks says


I'm obviously interested in geopolitics, but there's much I don't know.

That wasn't a flex, but a saying. It didn't mean YOU personally.



I don't mind if it was an attack. There is MUCH I don't know, I admit my ignorance. I'm not all ego. I was when I was a stupid kid. That's a severe character flaw and it prevents people from learning. I ended up in science and technology because I could be certain about my knowledge there but also, being in this field also allowed me to detect bullshit from people who CLAIMED to know shit, that they didn't.

AmericanKulak says


I'm a moderate isolationist but willing to offshore balance with goodies and aid IF there are willing and non-problematic (not necessarily perfect) actors to support.


I'm not an isolationist. I just try to be realistic. I've been told the Vietnamese today are happy with US intervention, but I think that's a RARE story. As far as I can see, the US hasn't been involved in a war in the last 30 years that didn't just hurt everybody involved, including the US.

The US created Al-Qaeda essentially in the 1980's to fight against the Russians in Afghanistan. IF they were the ones responsible for the WTC attacks (and I think they were, along with CIA intelligence and help - as well as Mossad!), where did that get us? We overthrew Iran in 1953 to steal oil, we know this with certainty because Operation Ajax is declassified, where did THAT get us?

It's a waste of resources in effort and time. Our fucking intelligence agencies have created nearly ALL the problems we face today. I'm sick of it. Think of what we could do if we didn't waste all this time and energy cleaning up messes our own stupid asshole government created? Imagine what we could do if those assholes just fucking stuck to their job of improving the country, instead of fucking it up? Our nation has spent 2 DECADES in stupid wars in the Middle East. What if that time and energy was redirected to infrastructure? Think of what we could have accomplished.

We can lead the world, not by force, but by example. We can improve this world if the government would just get the fuck out of the way.

Look at what we have today. This thing you're looking at right now, is the envy of every single civilization before us. Unlimited information and knowledge. There's a LOT of shit in this system, but it's all there. What if we elevated people based on whether they were correct, and punished people who were incorrect? Imagine where we could climb? Imagine if we had a news system that was REWARDED for telling the truth, instead of promoting propaganda? We will get there but our government, our corrupt government, stands in the way, blocks progress, blocks development. They prefer to destroy rather than build.

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