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Is the West Ready for a Land War With Russia?
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2023 Feb 4, 10:37am 4,299 views 41 comments
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casandra
2023 Feb 6, 9:55am
casandra
2023 Feb 6, 9:55am
I originally thought that yes, Biden wants a war over Ukraine. But when that missile landed in Poland a few months ago I was very surprised how fast Biden and every western clown said correctly, no it was a Ukrainian missile. Wow. I realized we are afraid to face Russia head on. This I thought would have been the perfect false flag for us.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2023 Feb 6, 3:50pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2023 Feb 6, 3:50pm
casandra says
My guess is that their line of thinking is "Why do our own dirty work, when we can use up Ukrainians to do it?". A lot cheaper that way, and you don't have to have to deal with American mothers writing you angry letters when their son gets blown up overseas.
I originally thought that yes, Biden wants a war over Ukraine. But when that missile landed in Poland a few months ago I was very surprised how fast Biden and every western clown said correctly, no it was a Ukrainian missile. Wow. I realized we are afraid to face Russia head on. This I thought would have been the perfect false flag for us.
My guess is that their line of thinking is "Why do our own dirty work, when we can use up Ukrainians to do it?". A lot cheaper that way, and you don't have to have to deal with American mothers writing you angry letters when their son gets blown up overseas.
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RayAmerica
2023 Feb 6, 4:36pm
RayAmerica
2023 Feb 6, 4:36pm
AmericanKulak says
A few points to consider:
First, post WW I, much of Germany's actions were based upon the crushing terms of the Versailles Treaty, which not only took land away from Germany, but also inflicted war reparations which greatly contributed to crippling their economy and currency. In short, Versailles was almost a guarantee that Germany would one day rise again and 'make things right.' Once Britain and France (France had the largest and most modern armed forces in the world) caved into Hitler's incremental demands, he was encouraged (by all accounts) to believe that he was dealing with cowards and weaklings. Unlike the USSR, Germany had no realistic goal to 'conquer the world.' Germany was a land based power, which didn't even have the ability to cross the English Channel in order to invade Britain. Germany did want to conquer Eastern Europe, and, eventually Russia. (The often repeated assertion: "If we didn't win the war, we'd all be speaking German" is so ridiculous, it should make any thinking person laugh at the shear notion).
Japan and China had a very long, ancient history of warfare between the two nations. Japan's aggression in China back then was really nothing all that unusual. It was definitely wrong, but, not out of the ordinary. After WW I, it was America that began to 'expand' into Pacific, with numerous bases and a strong military presence, including naval, in the region. Try to imagine how Japan, an island nation, must have felt about the expansion of American military bases in their region of the Pacific. For illustrative purposes, just look at how America responded when the USSR put missiles in Cuba in 1962 ... it almost resulted in WW III.
The nation that had a doctrinaire desire to 'conquer the world' was the USSR. Their 'revolutionaries' had already spread throughout Europe, and, even had a fairly strong presence in America. Under that despotic regime, Lenin & Stalin were directly responsible for the murders of over 40 million Russian people. When the guns went silent after WW II, who was it that controlled the bulk of Eastern Europe under their iron grip?
None other than the 2nd. worst mass murderer in history, Joseph Stalin (the 1st. is China's Mao, which America helped gain power over the Chinese Nationalists).
Try to let that sink in; we fought a brutal, bloody war in order to 'free' Eastern Europe by turning them over to one of the most evil despots in all of human history!
Germany and Japan were aggressive expansive powers that eventually caused a coalition to arise against them.
A few points to consider:
First, post WW I, much of Germany's actions were based upon the crushing terms of the Versailles Treaty, which not only took land away from Germany, but also inflicted war reparations which greatly contributed to crippling their economy and currency. In short, Versailles was almost a guarantee that Germany would one day rise again and 'make things right.' Once Britain and France (France had the largest and most modern armed forces in the world) caved into Hitler's incremental demands, he was encouraged (by all accounts) to believe that he was dealing with cowards and weaklings. Unlike the USSR, Germany had no realistic goal to 'conquer the world.' Germany was a land based power, which didn't even have the ability to cross the English Channel in order to invade Britain. Germany did want to conquer Eastern Europe, and, eventually Russia. (The often repeated assertion: "If we didn't win the war, we'd all be speaking German" is so ridiculous, it should make any thinking person laugh at the shear notion).
Japan and China had a very long, ancient history of warfare between the two nations. Japan's aggression in China back then was really nothing all that unusual. It was definitely wrong, but, not out of the ordinary. After WW I, it was America that began to 'expand' into Pacific, with numerous bases and a strong military presence, including naval, in the region. Try to imagine how Japan, an island nation, must have felt about the expansion of American military bases in their region of the Pacific. For illustrative purposes, just look at how America responded when the USSR put missiles in Cuba in 1962 ... it almost resulted in WW III.
The nation that had a doctrinaire desire to 'conquer the world' was the USSR. Their 'revolutionaries' had already spread throughout Europe, and, even had a fairly strong presence in America. Under that despotic regime, Lenin & Stalin were directly responsible for the murders of over 40 million Russian people. When the guns went silent after WW II, who was it that controlled the bulk of Eastern Europe under their iron grip?
None other than the 2nd. worst mass murderer in history, Joseph Stalin (the 1st. is China's Mao, which America helped gain power over the Chinese Nationalists).
Try to let that sink in; we fought a brutal, bloody war in order to 'free' Eastern Europe by turning them over to one of the most evil despots in all of human history!
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richwicks
2023 Feb 6, 5:32pm
richwicks
2023 Feb 6, 5:32pm
AmericanKulak says
Look, I don't care to argue about this too much, but this is the Philippines:
https://goo.gl/maps/aqRp2Ln1PLUMZuQH8
Who is the aggressive expansionist power here? Right now it's Monday, 17:32 here in California. It's 09:32 am, Tuesday in the Philippines. Just WHY is the Philippines part of the US?
Do you know how the US conquered the Philippines in 1902? The men went to the hills as US infantry landed, and fought a guerrilla war. The US infantry just started killing the women and children they left behind. It used to be we didn't even PRETEND to fuck around with resistance. We're still just as brutal today. We are intentionally starving Yemen right now. We don't see it on the propaganda box, and it's censored on our "social media", but it's happening.
Germany and Japan were aggressive expansive powers that eventually caused a coalition to arise against them. They reaped what they sowed, and this is standard Geopolitics at play since States (or clans or tribes) existed.
Look, I don't care to argue about this too much, but this is the Philippines:
https://goo.gl/maps/aqRp2Ln1PLUMZuQH8
Who is the aggressive expansionist power here? Right now it's Monday, 17:32 here in California. It's 09:32 am, Tuesday in the Philippines. Just WHY is the Philippines part of the US?
Do you know how the US conquered the Philippines in 1902? The men went to the hills as US infantry landed, and fought a guerrilla war. The US infantry just started killing the women and children they left behind. It used to be we didn't even PRETEND to fuck around with resistance. We're still just as brutal today. We are intentionally starving Yemen right now. We don't see it on the propaganda box, and it's censored on our "social media", but it's happening.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 7, 1:11am
richwicks
2023 Feb 7, 1:11am
AmericanKulak says
I'm not trying to do anything other than correct statements. The US began an oil embargo on July 26, 1941 - I neither condemn nor defend this. I'm only pointing out this happened.
I can't possibly understand the situation in 1941. Honestly, I doubt FDR did, but given the shit we have for government today, I wouldn't be surprised if we had shit for government back then. I can't KNOW this, but I suspect. I don't think the US federal government has worked in favor of this nation for a long long time. I think Woodrow Wilson was the greatest traitor this nation ever had - he created the Federal Reserve and he created the IRS and since then, the country we're told about in public school, hasn't existed.
I can't know this is true, but I suspect and unfortunately, I have found many of my suspicions have turned out to be correct. I once suspected that our corporate news media was nothing but propaganda, now I know for certain it is. Took me a good 20 years to come to that conclusion.
richwicks says
Yes, there was. The US began the Japanese oil embargo on July 26, 1941.
Following the Japanese occupation and annexation of Indo-China on July 24th, 1941, putting them within easy striking distance of the Philippines (US), Singapore (UK) and Dutch Indonesia (Netherlands).
I'm not trying to do anything other than correct statements. The US began an oil embargo on July 26, 1941 - I neither condemn nor defend this. I'm only pointing out this happened.
I can't possibly understand the situation in 1941. Honestly, I doubt FDR did, but given the shit we have for government today, I wouldn't be surprised if we had shit for government back then. I can't KNOW this, but I suspect. I don't think the US federal government has worked in favor of this nation for a long long time. I think Woodrow Wilson was the greatest traitor this nation ever had - he created the Federal Reserve and he created the IRS and since then, the country we're told about in public school, hasn't existed.
I can't know this is true, but I suspect and unfortunately, I have found many of my suspicions have turned out to be correct. I once suspected that our corporate news media was nothing but propaganda, now I know for certain it is. Took me a good 20 years to come to that conclusion.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 7, 1:14am
richwicks
2023 Feb 7, 1:14am
PeopleUnited says
I do admire your faith, but I cannot believe in it. Must be a good source of comfort.
But there is one above the Uber wealthy that is returning soon to remind this fallen world who is in control. He will end all of the wars, and there will be peace for a thousand years.
I do admire your faith, but I cannot believe in it. Must be a good source of comfort.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Feb 7, 3:52am
PeopleUnited
2023 Feb 7, 3:52am
You will believe it when you see it. Hopefully before it is too late. There is a difference between cannot and will not. Please consider that what a person believes is based on their choices.
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zzyzzx
2023 Feb 7, 7:14am
zzyzzx
2023 Feb 7, 7:14am
richwicks says
Is there any doubt in your mind? I mean FDR was pretty much a communist. He even half of Europe and Korea to Stalin.
I can't possibly understand the situation in 1941. Honestly, I doubt FDR did, but given the shit we have for government today, I wouldn't be surprised if we had shit for government back then. I can't KNOW this, but I suspect.
Is there any doubt in your mind? I mean FDR was pretty much a communist. He even half of Europe and Korea to Stalin.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 8, 6:52pm
richwicks
2023 Feb 8, 6:52pm
zzyzzx says
I don't have good enough knowledge on FDR to make an assessment of that time period.
I do NOT understand entirely what Nazi Germany was like, for example. I cannot judge it to be better or worse than Communist Russia. I know what SOME people said of it at the time. Patton said, and I've confirmed this, that the US fought on the wrong side. Although he was charged with opposing he Nazis, he found the USSR to be a greater threat.
I'm WELL aware that we are given distorted history about Nazi Germany, however, I don't think, at least NAZI, fascism is a good idea and I oppose it. This may be a result of my ignorance. I do know that much of what we are told about the Nazi regime of that time is, well, "embellished" but I also know that they were a ruthless regime. I'm 1/2 Polish, the Nazi regime intended to first enslave the Poles, then exterminate them, if I am to trust the records that were supposedly recovered. They could be falsified, much about WWII has been falsified.
Every war has lies, but WWII, man, I think that's the biggest set of lies. We don't even know why WWI started, consider that. Do you really think there was a world war over the murder of of archduke Franz Ferdinand? That was the excuse in my opinion.
richwicks says
I can't possibly understand the situation in 1941. Honestly, I doubt FDR did, but given the shit we have for government today, I wouldn't be surprised if we had shit for government back then. I can't KNOW this, but I suspect.
Is there any doubt in your mind? I mean FDR was pretty much a communist. He even (gave) half of Europe and Korea to Stalin.
I don't have good enough knowledge on FDR to make an assessment of that time period.
I do NOT understand entirely what Nazi Germany was like, for example. I cannot judge it to be better or worse than Communist Russia. I know what SOME people said of it at the time. Patton said, and I've confirmed this, that the US fought on the wrong side. Although he was charged with opposing he Nazis, he found the USSR to be a greater threat.
I'm WELL aware that we are given distorted history about Nazi Germany, however, I don't think, at least NAZI, fascism is a good idea and I oppose it. This may be a result of my ignorance. I do know that much of what we are told about the Nazi regime of that time is, well, "embellished" but I also know that they were a ruthless regime. I'm 1/2 Polish, the Nazi regime intended to first enslave the Poles, then exterminate them, if I am to trust the records that were supposedly recovered. They could be falsified, much about WWII has been falsified.
Every war has lies, but WWII, man, I think that's the biggest set of lies. We don't even know why WWI started, consider that. Do you really think there was a world war over the murder of of archduke Franz Ferdinand? That was the excuse in my opinion.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 7:09pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 7:09pm
richwicks says
Yes, and I'm pointing out it's a reaction to Japan further expanding their reach from a War in China, to occupying French Indo-China.
It was done in response to Japanese Aggressive Expansion to put pressure on them to tone things down, not heighten tension.
richwicks says
Incorrect: The US conquered the Spanish Possession of the Philippine Area in 1902 in the Spanish-American War. Not an independent Phillippines.
By 1941, the Phillipines were on a clear path to self-rule and had a President and a Military, and the US was winding down it's occupation.
In the Early 19th, the US clashed with the Dictators of Mexico for two reasons:
A) Their abrogation of their own Treaty of Indepedence from Spain, which required Texans be allowed to be self-governing according to their Spanish Charter
B) Battling over Indian territory in the SW where the majority of people outside a handful of Clerics were neither Spaniards Nor Aztecs Nor "Mexicans" and had no allegiance to either. Mexican propaganda has their population thinking the Apache, Utes, etc. were all loyal to Our Lady of Gaudeloupe and proud Mexicans evilly conquered by the Anglos, when those groups didn't feel any allegiance to Mexico OR the USA. It was a Colonial War between two ex-Colonial Possessions.
My point is, a lot of "Look how bad the US Was" Revisionist History was created by Turd Worlders, Imperial Losers (most countries bet on Mexico over the US due to the former's resources and population and closeness to the Rio Grande), and Marxists in the 60s, and is more distorted and tendentious than the American History taught before it.
I'm not trying to do anything other than correct statements. The US began an oil embargo on July 26, 1941 - I neither condemn nor defend this. I'm only pointing out this happened.
Yes, and I'm pointing out it's a reaction to Japan further expanding their reach from a War in China, to occupying French Indo-China.
It was done in response to Japanese Aggressive Expansion to put pressure on them to tone things down, not heighten tension.
richwicks says
Do you know how the US conquered the Philippines in 1902? The men went to the hills as US infantry landed, and fought a guerrilla war. The US infantry just started killing the women and children they left behind. It used to be we didn't even PRETEND to fuck around with resistance. We're still just as brutal today. We are intentionally starving Yemen right now. We don't see it on the propaganda box, and it's censored on our "social media", but it's happening.
Incorrect: The US conquered the Spanish Possession of the Philippine Area in 1902 in the Spanish-American War. Not an independent Phillippines.
By 1941, the Phillipines were on a clear path to self-rule and had a President and a Military, and the US was winding down it's occupation.
In the Early 19th, the US clashed with the Dictators of Mexico for two reasons:
A) Their abrogation of their own Treaty of Indepedence from Spain, which required Texans be allowed to be self-governing according to their Spanish Charter
B) Battling over Indian territory in the SW where the majority of people outside a handful of Clerics were neither Spaniards Nor Aztecs Nor "Mexicans" and had no allegiance to either. Mexican propaganda has their population thinking the Apache, Utes, etc. were all loyal to Our Lady of Gaudeloupe and proud Mexicans evilly conquered by the Anglos, when those groups didn't feel any allegiance to Mexico OR the USA. It was a Colonial War between two ex-Colonial Possessions.
My point is, a lot of "Look how bad the US Was" Revisionist History was created by Turd Worlders, Imperial Losers (most countries bet on Mexico over the US due to the former's resources and population and closeness to the Rio Grande), and Marxists in the 60s, and is more distorted and tendentious than the American History taught before it.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 7:27pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 7:27pm
zzyzzx says
"Anti-Anti Communists" in the State and "Army" Department (now DoD). Thanks to McCarthy and the Verona Cables, we know the WW2 and post WW2 Administrations were full of Soviet (partially) sympathetic Ivy League Old Yankee-Technocrats, the same group of people behind the Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, WEF, GATT, IMF, etc.
Some were flat out Soviet Symps while many believed in some "Hegelian Dialectic" that would combine Americanism with Soviet Philosophy in an Ideal Technocracy. Naturally this idea appealed to the sons of Wealthy and Old Yankee Families as they saw themselves as the Apparatchiks of the Golden New Social Republic.
That is the "Capitalist Conspiracy" we struggle against - big business and corporatism with the revolving door in the bureaucracy to bring Globaloney and the Deep State to control Economy and prevent Populism from resisting Excellent Management By Experts Over Their Whole Lives.
There's no doubt in my mind Patton was assassinated because he was a few days away from returning to the USA, when given a clot shot to prevent him from spilling the beans on the vile Donovan and others grovelling cooperation with the Soviets.
Donovan gave the Soviets back a copy of a codebook the US Army Intel had gotten from Finnish Connections, while getting every OSS agent to announce themselves in Eastern Europe, without demanding the same of the Soviets in Western Europe.
Is there any doubt in your mind? I mean FDR was pretty much a communist. He even half of Europe and Korea to Stalin.
"Anti-Anti Communists" in the State and "Army" Department (now DoD). Thanks to McCarthy and the Verona Cables, we know the WW2 and post WW2 Administrations were full of Soviet (partially) sympathetic Ivy League Old Yankee-Technocrats, the same group of people behind the Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, WEF, GATT, IMF, etc.
Some were flat out Soviet Symps while many believed in some "Hegelian Dialectic" that would combine Americanism with Soviet Philosophy in an Ideal Technocracy. Naturally this idea appealed to the sons of Wealthy and Old Yankee Families as they saw themselves as the Apparatchiks of the Golden New Social Republic.
That is the "Capitalist Conspiracy" we struggle against - big business and corporatism with the revolving door in the bureaucracy to bring Globaloney and the Deep State to control Economy and prevent Populism from resisting Excellent Management By Experts Over Their Whole Lives.
There's no doubt in my mind Patton was assassinated because he was a few days away from returning to the USA, when given a clot shot to prevent him from spilling the beans on the vile Donovan and others grovelling cooperation with the Soviets.
Donovan gave the Soviets back a copy of a codebook the US Army Intel had gotten from Finnish Connections, while getting every OSS agent to announce themselves in Eastern Europe, without demanding the same of the Soviets in Western Europe.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 8, 7:31pm
richwicks
2023 Feb 8, 7:31pm
AmericanKulak says
It was done to create a justification for the US to enter WWII.
AmericanKulak says
The independence of the Philippines wasn't a problem if the United States. The US government does not care about human rights NOW, they didn't care about it then either. The US doesn't go into countries to help them.
The Philippines are the problem of the Filipinos (I hate English sometimes), and Russia is a problem of Russians, and the United States is a problem of US citizens. Nobody invades a country to help the population. We didn't bomb Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, or Pakistan to help the people there.
Stay the fuck out of other countries is the lesson of history. How many times do we need to see this before we learn the lesson?
We went to war in Vietnam not because we were worried about communists, but because we wanted France to join NATO after WWII, and they wanted to keep their stupid territory and dragged us into their war. IF WE WERE SMART, we would have just conquered France and give Vietnam independence, which we promised them, to enter WWII on the side of the Allies. We are NOT allies with Europe and never have been - blowing up the Nordstream pipelines should underscore that.
Get out of these stupid conflicts. They work against this country, and doesn't benefit anybody other than a few psychopaths in power. Instead of accommodating them, jail them, execute them. This is the sickness of our society. They are. Dick Cheney should have been in prison in the 1980's, and should have died there. If that happened, what kind of world would we have then?
Yes, and I'm pointing out it's a reaction to Japan further expanding their reach from a War in China, to occupying French Indo-China.
It was done in response to Japanese Aggressive Expansion to put pressure on them to tone things down, not heighten tension.
It was done to create a justification for the US to enter WWII.
AmericanKulak says
Incorrect: The US conquered the Spanish Possession of the Philippine Area in 1902 in the Spanish-American War. Not an independent Phillippines.
The independence of the Philippines wasn't a problem if the United States. The US government does not care about human rights NOW, they didn't care about it then either. The US doesn't go into countries to help them.
The Philippines are the problem of the Filipinos (I hate English sometimes), and Russia is a problem of Russians, and the United States is a problem of US citizens. Nobody invades a country to help the population. We didn't bomb Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, or Pakistan to help the people there.
Stay the fuck out of other countries is the lesson of history. How many times do we need to see this before we learn the lesson?
We went to war in Vietnam not because we were worried about communists, but because we wanted France to join NATO after WWII, and they wanted to keep their stupid territory and dragged us into their war. IF WE WERE SMART, we would have just conquered France and give Vietnam independence, which we promised them, to enter WWII on the side of the Allies. We are NOT allies with Europe and never have been - blowing up the Nordstream pipelines should underscore that.
Get out of these stupid conflicts. They work against this country, and doesn't benefit anybody other than a few psychopaths in power. Instead of accommodating them, jail them, execute them. This is the sickness of our society. They are. Dick Cheney should have been in prison in the 1980's, and should have died there. If that happened, what kind of world would we have then?
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AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 7:35pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 7:35pm
richwicks says
No, it was a response to the Japanese occupation of Free French Indo-China, putting Japanese Bettys within striking distance of US Territory
richwicks says
Just because you're not interested in Geopolitics, it doesn't mean Geopolitics won't not be interested in you.
We can't let a single power rule Eurasia to the Urals or it would be so mighty as to endanger the US. I feel the same way about Reich IV/HRE 2.0/EU as I do about the Third Reich or (once) a Soviet Conquest of Europe. Fortunately those situations are easy to prevent; but sadly our Government won't do the very easy and cheap things to do to break up the 4th Reich because our Elites are in league with the Brussels (actually Berlin) Technocrats over there for a one-world Corporatist State.
I don't want Russia in Berlin for the same reason I don't want Germans in Moscow
US entry into WW2 was necessary because Britain and France failed to anticipate and react to the rise of the Third Reich until it was too late; and had the US not intervened, the Soviets would have conquered Europe at least to the Rhine since the UK by itself, even with US Aid, would have been unable to reconquer Europe at least to the Rhine by end of 1945.
Our biggest successes were when our hands and gifts were the lightest and minimal.
It was done to create a justification for the US to enter WWII.
No, it was a response to the Japanese occupation of Free French Indo-China, putting Japanese Bettys within striking distance of US Territory
richwicks says
Get out of these stupid conflicts. They work against this country, and doesn't benefit anybody other than a few psychopaths in power.
Just because you're not interested in Geopolitics, it doesn't mean Geopolitics won't not be interested in you.
We can't let a single power rule Eurasia to the Urals or it would be so mighty as to endanger the US. I feel the same way about Reich IV/HRE 2.0/EU as I do about the Third Reich or (once) a Soviet Conquest of Europe. Fortunately those situations are easy to prevent; but sadly our Government won't do the very easy and cheap things to do to break up the 4th Reich because our Elites are in league with the Brussels (actually Berlin) Technocrats over there for a one-world Corporatist State.
I don't want Russia in Berlin for the same reason I don't want Germans in Moscow
US entry into WW2 was necessary because Britain and France failed to anticipate and react to the rise of the Third Reich until it was too late; and had the US not intervened, the Soviets would have conquered Europe at least to the Rhine since the UK by itself, even with US Aid, would have been unable to reconquer Europe at least to the Rhine by end of 1945.
Our biggest successes were when our hands and gifts were the lightest and minimal.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 7:37pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 7:37pm
richwicks says
Or, just suborned Ho Chi Mihn who was more of a Nationalist than a Communist.
Imagine if we gave Vietnam 1/10th of what we spent in 1967 in Vietnam in machinery, loans, etc. plus some tariff exemptions for them to export cheap athletic socks back in the 60s.
But that wouldn't save Bell Helicopter from Bankruptcy.
IF WE WERE SMART, we would have just conquered France and give Vietnam independence,
Or, just suborned Ho Chi Mihn who was more of a Nationalist than a Communist.
Imagine if we gave Vietnam 1/10th of what we spent in 1967 in Vietnam in machinery, loans, etc. plus some tariff exemptions for them to export cheap athletic socks back in the 60s.
But that wouldn't save Bell Helicopter from Bankruptcy.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 8, 8:03pm
richwicks
2023 Feb 8, 8:03pm
AmericanKulak says
I'm obviously interested in geopolitics, but there's much I don't know.
AmericanKulak says
Yeah, I agree.
We should have lived up to our agreement with Ho Chi Mihn. Fuck France, we didn't need them to be a part of NATO.
Our involvement with the Vietnam war bankrupted this nation, forcing us off the gold standard and the irony is that it was FRANCE that forced this, since Charles de Gaulle sent warships to NY city to pick up their expatriated gold.
France acted in their own interests, the US was stupid to work for France's interests. I respect France in acting in their own interests, the United States - well, hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Seems very stupid to have worked on their behalf now. I think the entire Vietnam war could have been avoided. France would have been easy to put under our thumb after WWII, and I don't think even that was necessary. We didn't need them.
I'm very anti-war, it just destroys shit, and causes generational problems, but I still believe in a strong defense, DEFENSE, no offense. I don't think the US has acted in defense maybe, ever. Perhaps the revolutionary war.
Just because you're not interested in Geopolitics, Geopolitics won't not be interested in you.
I'm obviously interested in geopolitics, but there's much I don't know.
AmericanKulak says
richwicks says
IF WE WERE SMART, we would have just conquered France and give Vietnam independence,
Or, just suborned Ho Chi Mihn who was more of a Nationalist than a Communist.
Imagine if we gave Vietnam 1/10th of what we spent in 1967 in Vietnam in machinery, loans, etc. plus some tariff exemptions for them to export cheap athletic socks back in the 60s.
But that wouldn't save Bell Helicopter from Bankruptcy.
Yeah, I agree.
We should have lived up to our agreement with Ho Chi Mihn. Fuck France, we didn't need them to be a part of NATO.
Our involvement with the Vietnam war bankrupted this nation, forcing us off the gold standard and the irony is that it was FRANCE that forced this, since Charles de Gaulle sent warships to NY city to pick up their expatriated gold.
France acted in their own interests, the US was stupid to work for France's interests. I respect France in acting in their own interests, the United States - well, hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Seems very stupid to have worked on their behalf now. I think the entire Vietnam war could have been avoided. France would have been easy to put under our thumb after WWII, and I don't think even that was necessary. We didn't need them.
I'm very anti-war, it just destroys shit, and causes generational problems, but I still believe in a strong defense, DEFENSE, no offense. I don't think the US has acted in defense maybe, ever. Perhaps the revolutionary war.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 8:05pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 8:05pm
richwicks says
Yes. French were left NATO what, in the 70s? Nice return for that favor.
richwicks says
Yep. We should have put in LeClerc instead.
EDIT: LeClerc knew after 1 year in IndoChina in 1946 or 1947 that Ho could be suborned and it was better to have them as an independent state within the Francophonie. And that Vietnamese fear of the Chinese - their historical invader - and motivations of Nationalism more so than Communism would help that along.
We should have lived up to our agreement with Ho Chi Mihn. Fuck France, we didn't need them to be a part of NATO.
Yes. French were left NATO what, in the 70s? Nice return for that favor.
richwicks says
Our involvement with the Vietnam war bankrupted this nation, forcing us off the gold standard and the irony is that it was FRANCE that forced this, since Charles de Gaulle sent warships to NY city to pick up their expatriated gold.
Yep. We should have put in LeClerc instead.
EDIT: LeClerc knew after 1 year in IndoChina in 1946 or 1947 that Ho could be suborned and it was better to have them as an independent state within the Francophonie. And that Vietnamese fear of the Chinese - their historical invader - and motivations of Nationalism more so than Communism would help that along.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 8, 8:08pm
richwicks
2023 Feb 8, 8:08pm
AmericanKulak says
Just stay out of other nation's business. Nothing good comes from being involved in my opinion.
We should co-operate with nations, not try to fuck with them or rule them.
Did a business make a bad investment in a country that later fucked them over like the Aramco in Iran, or The United Fruit Company in Guatemala? Oh fucking well. Stupidity should be punished, the US military should only be involved with protection of this nation, and nothing more. We should be working for complete independence.
richwicks says
We should have lived up to our agreement with Ho Chi Mihn. Fuck France, we didn't need them to be a part of NATO.
Yes. French were left NATO what, in the 70s? Nice return for that favor.
richwicks says
Our involvement with the Vietnam war bankrupted this nation, forcing us off the gold standard and the irony is that it was FRANCE that forced this, since Charles de Gaulle sent warships to NY city to pick up their expatriated gold.
Yep. We should have put in LeClerc instead.
Just stay out of other nation's business. Nothing good comes from being involved in my opinion.
We should co-operate with nations, not try to fuck with them or rule them.
Did a business make a bad investment in a country that later fucked them over like the Aramco in Iran, or The United Fruit Company in Guatemala? Oh fucking well. Stupidity should be punished, the US military should only be involved with protection of this nation, and nothing more. We should be working for complete independence.
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AD
2023 Feb 8, 8:12pm
AD
2023 Feb 8, 8:12pm
I don't see the USA having USA troops fight Russian troops even if there are brief Russian incursions into Poland or other eastern European countries belong to NATO.
The Russians would have to make it to central Poland for the USA to possibly get involved and likely it won't be troops but the USA's air force and navy.
The Russians would have to make it to central Poland for the USA to possibly get involved and likely it won't be troops but the USA's air force and navy.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 8:17pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Feb 8, 8:17pm
richwicks says
That wasn't a flex, but a saying. It didn't mean YOU personally.
I'm a moderate isolationist but willing to offshore balance with goodies and aid IF there are willing and non-problematic (not necessarily perfect) actors to support.
I'm obviously interested in geopolitics, but there's much I don't know.
That wasn't a flex, but a saying. It didn't mean YOU personally.
I'm a moderate isolationist but willing to offshore balance with goodies and aid IF there are willing and non-problematic (not necessarily perfect) actors to support.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 9, 1:01am
richwicks
2023 Feb 9, 1:01am
AmericanKulak says
I don't mind if it was an attack. There is MUCH I don't know, I admit my ignorance. I'm not all ego. I was when I was a stupid kid. That's a severe character flaw and it prevents people from learning. I ended up in science and technology because I could be certain about my knowledge there but also, being in this field also allowed me to detect bullshit from people who CLAIMED to know shit, that they didn't.
AmericanKulak says
I'm not an isolationist. I just try to be realistic. I've been told the Vietnamese today are happy with US intervention, but I think that's a RARE story. As far as I can see, the US hasn't been involved in a war in the last 30 years that didn't just hurt everybody involved, including the US.
The US created Al-Qaeda essentially in the 1980's to fight against the Russians in Afghanistan. IF they were the ones responsible for the WTC attacks (and I think they were, along with CIA intelligence and help - as well as Mossad!), where did that get us? We overthrew Iran in 1953 to steal oil, we know this with certainty because Operation Ajax is declassified, where did THAT get us?
It's a waste of resources in effort and time. Our fucking intelligence agencies have created nearly ALL the problems we face today. I'm sick of it. Think of what we could do if we didn't waste all this time and energy cleaning up messes our own stupid asshole government created? Imagine what we could do if those assholes just fucking stuck to their job of improving the country, instead of fucking it up? Our nation has spent 2 DECADES in stupid wars in the Middle East. What if that time and energy was redirected to infrastructure? Think of what we could have accomplished.
We can lead the world, not by force, but by example. We can improve this world if the government would just get the fuck out of the way.
Look at what we have today. This thing you're looking at right now, is the envy of every single civilization before us. Unlimited information and knowledge. There's a LOT of shit in this system, but it's all there. What if we elevated people based on whether they were correct, and punished people who were incorrect? Imagine where we could climb? Imagine if we had a news system that was REWARDED for telling the truth, instead of promoting propaganda? We will get there but our government, our corrupt government, stands in the way, blocks progress, blocks development. They prefer to destroy rather than build.
richwicks says
I'm obviously interested in geopolitics, but there's much I don't know.
That wasn't a flex, but a saying. It didn't mean YOU personally.
I don't mind if it was an attack. There is MUCH I don't know, I admit my ignorance. I'm not all ego. I was when I was a stupid kid. That's a severe character flaw and it prevents people from learning. I ended up in science and technology because I could be certain about my knowledge there but also, being in this field also allowed me to detect bullshit from people who CLAIMED to know shit, that they didn't.
AmericanKulak says
I'm a moderate isolationist but willing to offshore balance with goodies and aid IF there are willing and non-problematic (not necessarily perfect) actors to support.
I'm not an isolationist. I just try to be realistic. I've been told the Vietnamese today are happy with US intervention, but I think that's a RARE story. As far as I can see, the US hasn't been involved in a war in the last 30 years that didn't just hurt everybody involved, including the US.
The US created Al-Qaeda essentially in the 1980's to fight against the Russians in Afghanistan. IF they were the ones responsible for the WTC attacks (and I think they were, along with CIA intelligence and help - as well as Mossad!), where did that get us? We overthrew Iran in 1953 to steal oil, we know this with certainty because Operation Ajax is declassified, where did THAT get us?
It's a waste of resources in effort and time. Our fucking intelligence agencies have created nearly ALL the problems we face today. I'm sick of it. Think of what we could do if we didn't waste all this time and energy cleaning up messes our own stupid asshole government created? Imagine what we could do if those assholes just fucking stuck to their job of improving the country, instead of fucking it up? Our nation has spent 2 DECADES in stupid wars in the Middle East. What if that time and energy was redirected to infrastructure? Think of what we could have accomplished.
We can lead the world, not by force, but by example. We can improve this world if the government would just get the fuck out of the way.
Look at what we have today. This thing you're looking at right now, is the envy of every single civilization before us. Unlimited information and knowledge. There's a LOT of shit in this system, but it's all there. What if we elevated people based on whether they were correct, and punished people who were incorrect? Imagine where we could climb? Imagine if we had a news system that was REWARDED for telling the truth, instead of promoting propaganda? We will get there but our government, our corrupt government, stands in the way, blocks progress, blocks development. They prefer to destroy rather than build.
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Former General Warns: U.K. Military Would Run Out of Ammo In One Day of Fighting Russia
General Sir Richard Barrons, who formerly served as the Joint Forces chief, claimed that spending cuts have depleted the British military to such an extent that, in a hot war with Russia, the UK would run out of ammunition and artillery shells within just one day.
According to research conducted by The Sun newspaper, the United Kingdom’s ammunition plants would need at least one year to produce the amount of shells currently used by the Ukrainians in their conflict with Russia.
“This is truly shocking. But it is true. And we must fix it,” General Barrons wrote. “The UK spends more on defence than any EU ally and our brave Armed Forces have long been one of Britain’s most influential levers around the world.”
“Yet for decades they have been hollowed out by spending cuts,” he added, saying that the government would need to spend an additional £3 billion per year on the military to fall in line with the top level of the NATO alliance.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/02/04/uk-military-would-run-out-of-ammo-in-just-one-day-of-fighting-russia-warns-general/