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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   243,059 views  1,277 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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947   HeadSet   2023 Feb 24, 9:44am  

PeopleUnited says

The official nation gun of the US legislation.

We do not need a "national gun," the 2nd Amendment is sufficient. My first suspicion is that the Republican who introduced this legislation id another Linsey Graham type 5th columnist. Just as Graham talking about wanting to banning abortions before the midterm was just a play to bring out the Dem abortion voters, this appears to be a play to galvanize the anti-gun Dems.
948   SunnyvaleCA   2023 Feb 24, 1:23pm  

AmericanKulak says

rocketjoe79 says


20 Gauge is almost as effective, lighter, much easier to handle the recoil, especially for females.

Agreed. 20 Ga. is the sweet spot and easier on everybody's shoulders after a while.

With a 12 gauge, you can choose "low recoil" ammunition and/or lighter loads, which will deliver similar firepower and similar recoil compared to 20 gauge.

However, there are some advantages of the 12 gauge. There is a much wider range of ammunition available and it's also sometimes cheaper. You have the option of using more powerful rounds if you want to. If you're looking for the firepower of a 2 3/4 inch 20 gauge, you'll only need a 2 inch round in your 12 gauge, which means you can fit more in the tubular magazine.
950   Patrick   2023 Feb 26, 9:28am  

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/friday-funnies-drug-cartels


True story: When traveling through the EU, Canada and UK, I have had many people from these various countries explain to me that what allowed the extreme lockdowns and vaccine mandates to happen (more so than what happened in most states in the USA) was that their country did not have a second amendment.
954   RayAmerica   2023 Feb 27, 10:04am  

Activist David Hogg: Americans ‘Have No Right to a Gun’

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/02/26/activist-david-hogg-americans-no-right-gun/

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Hogg argues that the 2nd. Amendment only applies to the 'militia,' which he defines as the National Guard of the individual states. He misses the clear language that grants the right TO the PEOPLE.

ALL totalitarian governments, throughout modern history, have removed guns from their people, which they went on to enslave.
955   Patrick   2023 Feb 28, 7:53pm  


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956   ForcedTQ   2023 Feb 28, 8:30pm  

RayAmerica says


Activist David Hogg: Americans ‘Have No Right to a Gun’

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/02/26/activist-david-hogg-americans-no-right-gun/

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Hogg argues that the 2nd. Amendment only applies to the 'militia,' which he defines as the National Guard of the individual states. He misses the clear language that grants the right TO the PEOPLE.

ALL totalitarian governments, throughout modern history, have removed guns from their people, which they went on to enslave.

More important that Hogg completely misses is that these rights are Natural rights, they are not given by the constitution and the amendments. The amendment texts are purely instructional as to what the government must not do or what it must abide by. The conduct of the government is up to the States and ultimately the People to police….
958   HeadSet   2023 Mar 2, 5:59pm  

Odd, when I was in the military, we had fully automatic weapons.
959   PeopleUnited   2023 Mar 2, 6:24pm  

HeadSet says

Odd, when I was in the military, we had fully automatic weapons.

Spray and pray has been determined to be too religious.
960   Patrick   2023 Mar 3, 1:40pm  

https://slaynews.com/economy/discover-credit-cards-will-track-gun-purchases-from-april/


Credit card provider Discover Financial Services will begin tracking gun purchases made by its customers from April onward.

The company will allow its network to track purchases made using payment cards at gun stores.

The move has triggered criticism that such activity leads to targeting gun owners.


Another reason to pay cash and avoid credit cards.
966   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Mar 29, 5:22pm  

PeopleUnited says

HeadSet says


Odd, when I was in the military, we had fully automatic weapons.

Spray and pray has been determined to be too religious.


man Americans are pussified, had a very safe and sterile life. they scared of guns, germs, bad words… it’s a cultural issue. pussies everywhere.
967   PeopleUnited   2023 Mar 29, 8:36pm  

America used to be the land of the good guy with a gun. Now it is just the land of they/them.

Pathetic.
975   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 7, 7:43am  

My Robinson Armament XCR should be finished in about a month or so. Looking forward to getting that on the firing range.
980   just_passing_through   2023 Apr 16, 12:40pm  

Not a good look.
982   SunnyvaleCA   2023 Apr 16, 4:27pm  

Gun buybacks can be a great source of extra money!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/11/new-york-gun-buyback-rules-3d-printed-parts

I believe the Freakonomics guys had a podcast on the futility of buybacks. The reasoning was that any given gun overall had something like 0.001% chance of being used in a murder, so if you're buyback pays a $200 bounty, you'd have to spend $20MM to stop a single murder. And, of course, the guns most likely to be used in a murder are least likely to be sold back and/or murderers aren't likely to sell back all of their guns.
983   SunnyvaleCA   2023 Apr 16, 4:34pm  

Booger says





A better analogy is that you don't need a license to buy a fishing pole, own a fishing pole, or carry one around in public anywhere.
985   Patrick   2023 Apr 24, 3:05pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2023/how-british-gun-control.htm


How the British 'Gun Control' Program Precipitated the American Revolution

When people think of the causes of the American War for Independence, they think of slogans like “no taxation without representation” or cause célèbre like the Boston Tea Party.

In reality, however, what finally forced the colonials into a shooting war with the British Army in April 1775 was not taxes or even warrant-less searches of homes and their occupation by soldiers, but one of many attempts by the British to disarm Americans as part of an overall 'gun control' program, according to David B. Kopel.

Furthermore, had the American colonies lost their war for independence, the British government intended to strip them of all their guns and place them under the thumb of a permanent standing army.

In his paper titled “How the British 'Gun Control' Program Precipitated the American Revolution,” Kopel claims that various 'gun control' policies by the British following the Boston Tea Party, including a ban on firearm and gunpowder importation, tells us not only the purpose of the Second Amendment, but its relevance within the context of today’s 'gun control' debate.

“The ideology underlying all forms of American resistance to British usurpations and infringements was explicitly premised on the right of self-defense of all inalienable rights,” Kopel writes. “From the self-defense foundation was constructed a political theory in which the people were the masters and government the servant, so that the people have the right to remove a disobedient servant. The philosophy was not novel, but was directly derived from political and legal philosophers such as John Locke, Hugo Grotius, and Edward Coke.”

Kopel writes that two important things underlined the American response to the British policies. One was the practical concept of self-defense, which British disarmament measures was making more difficult. The other, and more relevant concept, was that “Americans made no distinction between self-defense against a lone criminal or against a criminal government.”

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