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Goran_K says

My problem isn’t being fat, in fact I may be a lilttle under weight. I just want to look decent with my shirt off, not body builder big, not too skinny.

Eat more [and clean]. Lift more. That's really all there is to it.

Pushups and pullups will get you plenty toned, but if you want more mass, you'll have to grab a bar and some weights.

Variable weighted vest with dive bomber pushups and squats. Be careful and don't hurt yourself here.

Some dumbbells to blast the biceps here and there.

Cable rowing for the lats.

I hear racing the lava flows is a nice rush.

Just go around the islands nude, carried around by topless wahine bearers. Everybody will assume you are Hawaiian Royalty and won't care if you are ripped or not.

I'd suggest fake paint on six pack abs..But remember, nobody gives a shit what you look like. It's all in your mind.

You end up going Goran? Did a quick scan and didn't see a date. Wasn't sure if you are still going (planning) or already went.

Ceffer says

Hawaiian Royalty

The chiefs in Hawaii used to keep their enemies' skulls as chamberpots.

Such was the perfect peaceful co-existence that nasty white people disturbed when they took over.

Hiking is pretty awesome and fun. Doesn’t feel like a workout

I prefer exercise that combines with things I like doing. Hiking and surfing are both good. If you're going for tone, it's high reps, less sets, low weight. Overhand pull-ups work out your shoulders and most of your back, combine with push-ups, sit-ups, and running and you've got a pretty solid workout without any weights.

Patrick says

The chiefs in Hawaii used to keep their enemies' skulls as chamberpots.

I read somewhere they'd hang their enemies upside down and gut them. Usual tribal antics. The sport of kings.

joshuatrio says

But diet is at least 60% of it if not more.

Yep, I think it's probably closer to 80%.

Something I've been doing is swimming at least 30 minutes several times a day, and doing several buoyancy-assisted muscle-ups on the pool edge each time. Unlike running, this is a great low impact cardio workout. Even in high school cross country, I never enjoyed running, but now in my 50s it's hell on knees and shins. The muscle-ups helped me with a years-old shoulder injury. One recent day I was at the local fitness park and discovered, "Damn, I can do dips again for the first time in over 10 years!"

This, plus some pushups and pullups on my gymnastics rings, and some spare time with 30# and 40# barbells, give me a decent shirtless bod. Also, swimming during lunch hour has gotten me several shades darker than my Mexican girlfriend, except for my ass which remains pasty white.

Edit: Can't get images to work, NVM.

Automan Empire says

Can't get images to work

@Automan Empire : tell me what goes wrong when you try.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Diet? Fish, salad, and fresh cold beer and you're well fed.

Just watch out for rat lung disease. Wash all of your produce thoroughly.

Red pill says, "You don't stand a chance with her."


Patrick says

tell me what goes wrong when you try

Trying to do it in a hurry, I expected a dialog to pop up when clicking "include image;" finally figured out "Click browse first, dummy!"

Automan Empire says

Red pill says, "You don't stand a chance with her."

Yes, just at a glance I'd expect that to be a stable relationship, at least on her part, because she got a guy better than she could normally expect given her rather plain looks. She will want to keep him, and thus most other guys would not have a chance with her.

He, on the other hand, probably has a lot of options and may well dump her and trade up if she gets too demanding.

Patrick says

He, on the other hand, probably has a lot of options and may well dump her and trade up if she gets too demanding.

This is one area where life has proven to me over and over that AWALT or "All women are like that" applies across the sexual market value board when it comes to whether she'll sooner or later start shit testing and nagging her man even if she's several points below his attractiveness rating. "Dread game" carefully applied works well and the sweet spot is considered woman 1-2 points less attractive than the man for stable LTR. However, no man can let his guard down his game slack before his woman, without her sooner or later making a power play out of it.

In other words, despite the funny song "If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life," the notion that it will become effortless to retain the interest and respect of a woman just because she's less attractive than he is just another unicorn legend. It may be LESS effort in the big picture, but even downright ugly girls will start walking on any man whho lets them.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

What if she's a monster hip-shattering fuck and insanely great cocksucker?

The trope of "Fat girl but she'll suck you off like she's drowning and you have oxygen in your balls" is another page out of the Great Book of Unicorn Girls. In my experience, quality and enjoyment of sex were independent variables from attractiveness. Women like the one in the picture might have impeccable RELATIONSHIP market value and make a good "official girlfriend" before work and family, but be as plain acting in bed as they are plain looking. Meanwhile, a RP guy might maintain a stable of side pieces that are variously less attractive but more sexually willing, or more attractive but less relationship-available.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

What if she's a monster hip-shattering fuck and insanely great cocksucker?

That is something of value.