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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   237,034 views  1,259 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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997   ForcedTQ   2023 May 11, 12:34pm  

Patrick says






Also Honduras: Owned and run by drug cartels…
998   Patrick   2023 May 15, 12:34pm  

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/mar/29/when-my-family-was-disarmed-armenian-genocide-perp/


We know from the Ottoman Penal Code that the firearm registry was universal and instituted before the genocide. In addition to a gun registry, there were specific penalties put in place for Christians if they were caught openly bearing arms. Despite these restrictions, I’m proud that people in my ancestors’ village of Tomarza were known to openly carry guns in direct defiance of the tyrannical Turkish government.

Unfortunately, their defiance did not stop the Turks in the long run. My great-grandfather’s brother, an eyewitness, wrote in a letter that after the Turks declared that all registered guns would be confiscated, it resulted in “all weapons, even hunting guns, [being] surrendered to the government.” If anyone refused to do so, they would be put to death.
1000   Patrick   2023 May 22, 3:34pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2023/65-of-usa-right-to-carry-no-permit.htm

65% of USA Enjoys Right to Carry without a Government Permission Slip



1001   NuttBoxer   2023 May 23, 8:53am  

Arizona is not open carry though. That is allowed to be restricted by local jurisdictions. In that case you would still need to apply for a CC permit to carry everywhere...
1002   Eric Holder   2023 May 23, 6:26pm  

Patrick says




https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs

Tiananmen.


Color revolution. Good thing it was quashed. Amirite? We can't have these CIA-induced coups against our GREAT ANTIGLOBALIST LEADERS, no Siree Bob!
1004   richwicks   2023 May 26, 1:13pm  

Eric Holder says

Patrick says





https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs

Tiananmen.


Color revolution. Good thing it was quashed. Amirite? We can't have these CIA-induced coups against our GREAT ANTIGLOBALIST LEADERS, no Siree Bob!


The United States began to trade with China AFTER Tienanmen Square, not before.
1005   Eric Holder   2023 May 26, 1:22pm  

richwicks says

Eric Holder says


Patrick says






https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs

Tiananmen.


Color revolution. Good thing it was quashed. Amirite? We can't have these CIA-induced coups against our GREAT ANTIGLOBALIST LEADERS, no Siree Bob!



The United States began to trade with China AFTER Tienanmen Square, not before.


So it's not a good thing that CIA-induced color revolution was quashed, you say?
1007   AD   2023 May 27, 4:29pm  

looking at websites like Cheaper than Dirt and Ammo Land, everything is down a lot in price

as if ammo and 9 mm handguns are back to 2018 prices

.
1008   richwicks   2023 May 27, 4:29pm  

Eric Holder says

So it's not a good thing that CIA-induced color revolution was quashed, you say?


I'm saying if the CIA was involved, it was the CIA that quashed it.

The CIA has NO RECORD EVER of supporting a democratic movement. They have multiple examples of throwing over democratic republics though.

Iran, Gautama, Chile, Ukraine most recently.

Name any color revolution that happened in the last 10 years that worked out for either the United States or the victim countries. I'm so sick of people thinking "oh, this time it will be beneficial". The CIA isn't making errors, it's not making mistakes, this the outcome they want. Chaos. WHY? I have no idea. Maybe it gains some small amount of power for a tiny group of people. CIA doesn't work for the benefit of the United States.
1009   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 May 27, 6:44pm  

ad says

looking at websites like Cheaper than Dirt and Ammo Land, everything is down a lot in price

as if ammo and 9 mm handguns are back to 2018 prices

.


share links please!
1010   NuttBoxer   2023 Jun 3, 8:36am  

Pistol brace law is dead, gonna see about getting my order updated:

https://zerohedge.com/political/federal-judge-blocks-atf-pistol-brace-rule-major-gun-group
1016   HeadSet   2023 Jun 16, 4:55pm  

Patrick says





And the owner of that truck is the real father of those kids.
1019   RWSGFY   2023 Jun 17, 1:44pm  

Patrick says






... and in CA there will be a mandatory 10 day waiting period before fucking a new woman.
1021   Patrick   2023 Jun 26, 3:45pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2023/hispanics-and-second-amendment.htm


...in my experience in Florida, and as I travel and speak to many, I am finding Hispanics from all socioeconomic backgrounds increasingly demonstrating a greater appreciation for traditional American values, including respect for the U.S. Constitution and, in particular, the Second Amendment.

The Number of Hispanic Gun Owners in America is Growing The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade group representing firearms manufacturers, commissioned a retailer survey to gauge the interest of Hispanics in America in exercising their lawful right to keep and bear arms. The survey determined that law-abiding Hispanic-Americans purchased firearms in 2020 at a 49% higher rate than they did in 2019. This uptick in interest seemed to be reflected in the 2020 presidential election, as the former president got 10% more of the Hispanic vote than he did in 2016.
1024   NuttBoxer   2023 Jul 3, 8:33am  

Regardless of how it happens, the fact is before the pharma industry, mass shootings were non-existent.
1027   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 7, 1:12pm  

NuttBoxer says

Regardless of how it happens, the fact is before the pharma industry, mass shootings were non-existent.


Stephanus Andries Johannes Swart (21 July 1888 – 6 May 1927) was a South African farmer and one of the first spree killers who killed at least 8 people and wounded 3 others in Charlestown, South Africa on 6 May 1927, before killing himself.

-—

The Tsuyama massacre (津山事件, Tsuyama jiken) was a revenge spree killing that occurred on the night of 21 May 1938 in the rural village of Kamo close to Tsuyama in Okayama, Empire of Japan.

Mutsuo Toi (都井 睦雄, Toi Mutsuo), a 21-year-old man, killed 30 people, including his grandmother, with a Browning shotgun, katana, and axe, and seriously injured three others before killing himself with the shotgun. It is the deadliest shooting by a lone gunman in Japanese history.



The Bremen school shooting was a school shooting that occurred on 20 June 1913 at St Mary's Catholic School (St-Marien-Schule) in Walle, a quarter of Bremen, Germany. The gunman, 29-year-old unemployed teacher Heinz Schmidt from Sülze, indiscriminately shot at students and teachers, killing five girls and wounding more than 20 other people before being subdued by school staff. He was never tried for the crime and sent directly to an asylum where he died in 1932.
1028   NuttBoxer   2023 Jul 10, 9:35am  

So two incidents, and sounds like one was technically not a "shooting spree". How many this past year? How many in the past 10 years? Now compare with the previous 200 years, or back to whenever a gun capable of firing more than one round without reload was invented.
1029   Patrick   2023 Jul 10, 3:43pm  

https://jpfo.org/articles-2023/armed-citizens-validation.htm


... The first perpetrator died of the wounds he forced Shockey to inflict. The second is alive at this writing at the hospital, facing a Felony Murder charge since he participated in a felony that led to the death of a human being, in this case his partner-in-crime.

Most cops have seen so much grief inflicted on decent people by violent scum that they are in the forefront of the cheering section when the victim turns the tables on the perpetrator. The sheriff of the county in which the shooting took place, Ben Johnson, offered his support to Robert Shockey according to the Orlando Sentinel.

A spokesman for the Sheriff’s Department, Gary Davidson, said of Shockey, “He is going to get the good citizenship award.”

Yes, brothers and sisters, sometimes there are happy endings on the criminal justice side of things.

The anti-gun crowd weighed in immediately. “Arthur Hayhoe, the executive director of the Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, said this case is ‘a tough call’ for a group that favors strict gun laws,” the Sentinel reported. “He said he won’t ‘second-guess’ a parent defending his son, but Hayhoe is troubled by the second shooting.”

Okay, folks, take a deep breath.

“It’s still a shooting of an unarmed person, and that is always troubling,” Hayhoe then told reporters.

What?

Unsportsmanlike Self Defense?

Darius Bennett, who was damn lucky to survive the cyclone of lethality that he and his accomplice James Franklin Wince brought to the Blockbuster Video store that day, was reaching for a rifle after threatening to commit murder at the time he was shot.

Would Hayhoe and his sister under-the-skin Sarah Brady have had the innocent victim wait until the gun was in the criminal’s hand? Or is waiting until the criminal’s finger is on the trigger the “bright line” test for the anti-gunners? Or should the innocent victim just let himself be shot once or twice to make sure the lawless armed criminal really meant to harm him?

Sorry, America, but it’s clear Arthur Hayhoe and the group he speaks for, Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, just don’t have the first clue.

If any of our people get into a battle of wits with Arthur Hayhoe, they’ll obviously be accused of, “shooting of an unarmed person.”
1030   NuttBoxer   2023 Jul 11, 9:30am  

Blockbuster Video!? When did this take place??

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