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Call it Crazy says

Sorry, I forgot that you guys like waste, fraud, abuse and cost over-runs on government programs...

No, and I didn't say that. What I'm saying is how ironic it is that for starters- the GOP is every bit as much, and if you look at the math- more guilty of government waste, and yet the flag that the GOP and its eager followers wave is that ALL social welfare programs are a waste, ALL users of it abuse it, and ALL of these are totally not needed. There is a reason for this tactic: Its meant to create a wedge so that GOP constituents will be distracted from the wasteful things their own party does right under their noses, all the while carrying on this diatribe against the very programs that these constituents at one time or another in their lives will need.

Hence the irony here. Yes- these social programs are all a big waste until YOU or anyone else who rails against them actually needs them.

Lol posting this on the Internet, of course you're gonna get a bunch of hyper defensiveness. Who the hell do you think posts online all day?

Get back to me when you've eliminated the overabundance of these:

edvard2 says

another post about entitlement programs and how anything beneficial must be a bad

How about another post about how anything wasteful must be bad

You just don't get it, do you? You must love paying high taxes so that people too damm lazy to work don't have to!

zzyzzx says

You just don't get it, do you? You must love paying high taxes so that people too damm lazy to work don't have to!

There is nothing "To Get". What you seem to be insinuating is that I don't "Get" or in other words agree with what you are saying- which is that all people on welfare are lazy and thus the system is wasteful. The reason I don't agree with that assessment is because it really wouldn't matter whether this was a liberal or a conservative-backed program: no matter what it is, there will ALWAYS be people who abuse whatever system happens to be. That's human nature. But furthermore, its grossly out of reason to hold the small minority of those who do in fact mis-use welfare and then proclaim that ALL of those on welfare are the same.

What I DO get though is that when the GOP rails against welfare, and other entitlement programs, their reasoning for doing so is extremely apparent: They simply want to draw attention away from their own programs by placing blame on others who can't defend themselves. Sure- its a slimy thing to do, but it obviously pushes buttons in the heads of their constituency, who eagerly lap it up and parrot it back.

In the first week of the shutdown, we've spent approaching 2 MILLON Congress?

http://www.congressstillgetspaid.com/

You want some obvious waste, start there. Some 10,000 staffers are all whirring away too let's not forget them.

zzyzzx says

You just don't get it, do you? You must love paying high taxes so that people too damm lazy to work don't have to!

You just don't get it, do you? You must love working 9-5 every day so that people who own a part of your labor (like Warren Buffett) don't have to work! And you must love paying a higher tax rate than Buffett does.

The parasites at the bottom are relatively harmless. And many of them would love to lead productive lives, but they can't because of disability and/or age.

The parasites at the top have enough money to buy the government and enslave you. In fact, they already have. They already own the labor of the bottom 99.9%.

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Monday, October 7, 2013 __ Level is 95.4

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes indeed, go here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

Call it Crazy says

Where do you see anything in the OP about the GOP???? It's about general government waste in general, and the small subset of the population involved...... Try READING the article...

Because the term "GOP" doesn't need to be mentioned in light of of the subject as well as the OP posting it. We all know the OP has a right-leaning agenda and reliably agrees with general GOP initiatives. The GOP's message has been consistent and reliable, which makes it easy for their constituents to remember. Cut funding to any and all social programs while feathering their own nests for their own programs, meanwhile using "Lazy people" as convenient skapegoat and to be as distractions.

Call it Crazy says

If you'll notice above, the original article came from CBS News... I don't think they are known as "right wing" or GOP friendly...

Like I said, doesn't matter. We all know why you posted it. We know the message trying to be delivered.

CiC,

I specifically said that I am NOT ok with waste and fraud. Anywhere.

Did you even read my post?

A productive debate requires listening to the other person. Are we just arguing for the sake of arguing? That seems pointless...

tatupu70 says

Sub teachers didn't get healthcare before, did they? Even if they did limit their hours, how is that making things worse?

lol, hows it making it worse? Why don't you ask the poor sub who's only allowed to make $240 a week instead of $400 because of this.

I can quickly reel off six upper middle class people who are not disabled and can work just fine that collect disability.

Trouble is there are no job's for these forlorn "folks" (to borrow an Obamaism)
They are just not needed in the workforce.
We would be daft to not continue to pay them or to cut back on food stamps as the Slightly-More-Insane-Party has suggested.
It's fairly cheap, compared to civil unrest.

I'm having a hard time keeping track of shadow, zombie, vampire, ghost, cloud, Frankenstein, ghouls, goblins, ware wolves, and body snatcher inventories. I think the draconian banks are re-categorizing inventory by seasonal holidays. Happy Halloween everybody.

When is the sequel to Paranormal Activity coming out?

You mean his link to the site that blames Obama for mostly everything, and his statement that the older people are to blame for the younger people's inability to find great jobs and pay for their college?

Yea, I agree that if one is going to link to a site/study, it should at least pretend to be unbiased.

On a separate note, I live in Utah and they love 1) Cooking, 2) Mormons, and 3) People who are so fucking wealthy it's unbelievable no matter how they got that way. It doesn't matter if it's multi-level marketing, illegal internet activities, or being born with a silver spoon up one's ass and as a corporate raider slashing companies to the bone and destroying the lives of the employees in the process.

So, our "news" teams have religiously covered the book that Ann Romney purports to have written about the difficulty of raising five sons on a multimillionaire's meager income, even make the pilgrimage to MA to interview her lovely mansion. They do so at the same time that they cover how horrible the sequester has been for the people of the great state of utah.

And how it's Obama's fault, forgetting that "Romneycare" is the basis for "Obamacare." The Mormon-owned station treated him as if he were a past President, rather than the egotistical ass who was so shocked he lost the election after dissing the American people.

Wow.

Ceffer says

I can quickly reel off six upper middle class people who are not disabled and can work just fine that collect disability.

Dang, I need to get in on that racket. Can you show me how? ;-)

Boehner won't let them vote because the markets haven't gone down enough. ;-)

I'm thinking if the markets go down 5% congress and Obama will cover their short positions & reach a deal.

Everyone should have health insurace and pay for it themselves, not force employers or tax payers via tax subsidy to pay for it. But then it is called personal responsibility which is not in Democrat dictionary. They want everyone to have everything but make others to pay for it !

Sqauk! Squak! Polly wanna cracker! Obama Won't Negotiate- Obama won't Negotiate! Sqauk! Squak!

All that's happening is that the GOP know they basically screwed themselves and they think if all they say is that "weallly its the Demoqwats fault!!" then maybe, just maybe enough people will actually believe them.

Like I said yesterday- these guys lost big time and they know it. Its just a matter of time before they move on and get over it.

OK CIC. Do you think that sitting Presidents should have to bribe Congress to do its job? Is that your position?

I've got nothing, if the a Democrat Washington, with a Democrat President, can't get anything done, then perhaps they should ask the cartoon elephant, if he will do it for them.

STFU Liberals, we'll make the decisions for you.

+100

Vaticanus says

Why not just pass the house bill? It would have avoided the shutdown. Nobody wants to talk about that. The house did its job. The senate failed to act.

Sorry, but you've basically got that ass-backwards. The Senate already did their job and about 70% of Americans agree and hence are blaming the GOP. Even top GOP leaders said that trying to repeal Obamacare was a flawed tactic. The GOP lost, they know it, and they are going to lose a ton of votes next time around. Good.

Here Here! Thank goodness someone said it like it is. You right wingers reading the above response? I'd suggest doing so to help yourselves become more informed.

See you reject the obvious and simple fact that the senate could and should have passed the house bill and completely avoided the shutdown . If the American people didn't like that obamacare went unfunded we could have had a serious debate on how to proceed without the added stress of a shutdown to muddy the waters. That would have been the civilized thing to do. But they did not want an honest debate.

Homeboy says

Oooh, me hate Obama so much. Me not know why, though.

Fuck off and choke you silly Tway!!!
Dan was the biggest champion of Obama when he ran in 2008 and he supported him all the way to the bitter end. He read the fucking thing after Nancy Sorry Ass Pelosi passed and then he realized what a dirty rotten cunt she is, and the steaming pile of shit that ACA was, and what a dirty rotten fucking liar Obama was.

You racist little cunt, you! Oh people I don't agree with, "Waaa Waaa I want to live on welfare and get free healthcare, why do people hate Obama?"

Get a fucking job, or get a fucking clue!

CaptainShuddup says

You racist little cunt, you! Oh people I don't agree with, "Waaa Waaa I want to live on welfare and get free healthcare, why do people hate Obama?"

Um, you're the one who keeps saying you want free socialized healthcare paid for with tax money, not me.

Dipshit.

Vaticanus says

See you reject the obvious and simple fact that the senate could and should have passed the house bill and completely avoided the shutdown . If the American people didn't like that obamacare went unfunded we could have had a serious debate on how to proceed without the added stress of a shutdown to muddy the waters. That would have been the civilized thing to do. But they did not want an honest debate.

lol--you're kidding, right?

Vaticanus says

See you reject the obvious and simple fact that the senate could and should have passed the house bill and completely avoided the shutdown . If the American people didn't like that obamacare went unfunded we could have had a serious debate on how to proceed without the added stress of a shutdown to muddy the waters.

See, you reject the obvious that Obamacare is a LAW. It was passed, turned into law, upheld by the supreme court, and as I said- LAW. As such, there is nothing to debate and the GOP is not following protocol. There is nothing here to discuss here other than the benefits the American people will have once the GOP endures a massive amount of PR damage they are getting for their own stupidity and childishness.

Yup at least that's a "System", feeding corporate profits are not.

I'm surprised dan is censoring

Care to repost it here, now I'm interested to know what was said

Proper negotiations between Rep and Dem begin when he sloppily and drunkenly starts munching down on Pelosi's oyster. He better have a second fifth or three to survive that experience.

If he pukes, the government crumbles forever.

Vaticanus says

But they did not want an honest debate.

Of course not. Why the hell do you debate whether or not Congress should perform its duty?? All the President is asking is for the House do actually do its effing job. My Lord.

And I like prefer both over the president - that proves what???

"Republicans are a cancer on the country and this crisis is 100% their fault. Democrats share NONE of the blame." Which is why the dems voted to fund the government when the house sent them a bill to fund it.

Oh wait? They didn't do that. They attempted to hold the house hostage and the house didn't blink. And this is republicans fault? yeah right. try the senate majority leader. He said no to passing the funding bill. Hint, he ain't no elephant.

Anyone reduced to using lol-cats as an "argument" has officially lost the debate.

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Tuesday, October 8, 2013 __ Level is 94.3

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes indeed, go here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

The real question is who thinks Congress is doing a good job? The Daily Show had a great segment on that a while back.