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Bigsby says

t's pretty obvious to anyone with any critical thinking skills that the people who hijacked the planes and flew them into the buildings had a rather direct input into bringing the buildings down.

the oppisite is true.

is anyone here old enough to remember the controlled demolitions in atlantic city circa 70”s-80”s? before i even asked questions about 911 who dunnit, it was was clear to me that those buldings were blown up, based on all the other controlled demos i had seen in atlantic city back in the day.

bgamall4 says

No it is not obvious to most people who take the time to understand what really happened.

People that know what really happened know that aliens did it. Don't try to hide nevada boy, home of area 57 where the government has been performing alien/human breeding experiments for 50 years. Admit it, you're half alien. That's why you constantly try to hide the true evidence. you are trying cover up for you alien family.

You can't hide from the truth.

The Professor says

Even Bigsby will not admit that he believes office fires caused the utter destruction of WTC7.

Err...
The Professor says

Anyone that understands a little about physics knows that fires cannot bring steel framed buildings down.

What do you know about physics?

The Professor says

I don't want to be a truther. I want someone to convince me that there is a reasonable explanation for the evidence.

Yes, you do.

The Professor says

But they don't.

We do. You just ignore it in favour of the kind of nonsense Bgamall peddles.

The Professor says

Please post links to evidence pro and con. Argue facts and evidence with me. Convince the professor that the official story was correct. Or help me spread the call for truth.

Arf. You claim you want another investigation and in the same breath say that it was a controlled demolition with zero proof. There is only one conclusion from any investigation that you would accept.

coriacci1 says

is anyone here old enough to remember the controlled demolitions in atlantic city circa 70”s-80”s? before i even asked questions about 911 who dunnit, it was was clear to me that those buldings were blown up, based on all the other controlled demos i had seen in atlantic city back in the day.

I actually watched the hotel traymore demolition, it was on the news for weeks beforehand so a bunch of us went down to see it. Really cool. Still in the guiness books as the largest demolition. Didn't look or sound anything like the WTC collapse though.

bob2356 says

coriacci1 says

is anyone here old enough to remember the controlled demolitions in atlantic city circa 70”s-80”s? before i even asked questions about 911 who dunnit, it was was clear to me that those buldings were blown up, based on all the other controlled demos i had seen in atlantic city back in the day.

I actually watched the hotel traymore demolition, it was on the news for weeks beforehand so a bunch of us went down to see it. Really cool. Still in the guiness books as the largest demolition. Didn't look or sound anything like the WTC collapse though.

They couldn't make it silent? Amateurs.

Bigsby says

They couldn't make it silent? Amateurs.

If aliens had done it like they did the wtc it would have been done right.

Ordinary humans or even half aliens lack the skills needed to manage to cd the wtc while making look like it wasn't a cd so that people would suspect it was a cd since it didn't look like a cd so that they would believe that al queda told all the jews to stay away so they could fly planes into the wtc so that people would believe that the planes were a false flag to cover up for the cd that didn't look like a cd so the wouldn't think that the government hired al queda to fly planes into the wtc to cover up for the government cding the wtc even though it didn't look like a cd all of which was done to cover up for the fact that aliens actually brought down the wtc with a death ray.

It's all very clear, just read what bigmouth4 and the professor have written.

Got to keep bigmouth4's delete finger busy.

The Professor says

Bob, You should ignore Bigsby, He has nothing real to say. Ignore really works.

Man works at the circus sweeping up shit after the elephants. He complains day and night that he hates his job. Someone says why don't you quit? Man says "what, and leave the circus".

Never mind bigs, Ignoring you and bigmouth4 would deprive me of the best entertainment on the planet. I haven't had so much to laugh about since shrek got nuked.

The Professor says

So Bob. Do you believe that WTC7 was demolished by office furnishing fires?

Of course not. There has never been a case of steel getting hot enough to weaken in a raging fire. All those pictures you see of burned down buildings with steel bent every which way are planted by aliens for the last 150 years knowing that they were going to demolish the wtc. Carefully setting the stage by releasing tens of thousands of altered pictures of burned down buildings so that everyone would believe that fires weakened the steel was a crucial part of their nefarious plan to cd the wtc while having al queda drive plans into it to fool people into thinking it wasn't a cd. It's so clever it's kind of hard to believe.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

The Professor says

Even Bigsby will not admit that he believes office fires caused the utter destruction of WTC7.

Err...

The Professor says

Anyone that understands a little about physics knows that fires cannot bring steel framed buildings down.

What do you know about physics?

These are two examples of Bigsby being an absolute troll, a useless troll. I believe he is the most useless human being that has ever been conceived by a very disappointed mother. I wish we could have warned her.

It's an example of me being a troll is it? Please explain. The Professor claimed that "Even Bigsby will not admit that he believes office fires caused the utter destruction of WTC7." It's kind of him to say what he thinks I don't believe. Unfortunately, that is exactly what I believe happened along with some rather obvious additional factors like, er, planes being flown into the buildings.

How is asking him or you come to that what you know about physics being a troll? The pair of you know nothing about physics and yet you constantly bang on about the physics of what happened as if you are experts. That isn't trolling. That is pointing out the arrogance and stupidity of what you do.

And if my post is an example of being a troll according to you, then what exactly do you think your post is you delusional moron?

The Professor says

In case anyone forgets what we are talkling about. This was obviously not a "Controlled" Demolition.

So you've finally come to your senses.

bgamall4 says

Now, Cockroach, it is clear from the WTC7 videos that show the squibs, that the squibs are formed not by pressure of one floor falling onto another because they maintain their spacing. Also, the squibs maintain their spacing as well.

Am I supposed to laugh or cry at this stupidity?

bgamall4 says

Prof, you and the cockroach can see that the squibs remained symmetrical. Cockroach will scurry under a countertop when he sees this.

No, I will say that you've just hugely embarrassed yourself by posting up that video and claiming that those are (silent) squibs.

As Bgamall is happily deleting my response to his ridiculous squib video on his own deletion friendly thread, I'll post it here:

"So let me see. You think that a vertical column of windows shattering is what indicates the required squibs for bringing down that building? Ha, ha, ha. You really think that, do you? Not that it is directly connected to the internal collapse in that part of the building and the subsequent air pressure forcing out air and debris as the collapse progressed. Seriously, your argument is poor even for you. You really are claiming that the demolition experts placed a long vertical line of squibs up one side of the building to bring it down. That's your claim. And that apparently these squibs were silent when they were detonated. God, you are comedy gold."

The Professor says

His BS is self evident. Worse case he actually believes what he is saying, but I doubt it.

Arf. Of course I believe what I am saying. You smugly make your remark when it is you who are the one who believes silent controlled demolitions brought down three buildings. YOUR BS is self evident.

The Professor says

He will go round and round ignoring any evidence and latching onto trivial details. If he is as ignorant as he appears calling him stupid or a "cockroach" will not enlighten him.

You mean trivial details like why your controlled demolitions were not seen or heard on any videos. Trivial indeed!

The Professor says

Do you believe the official explanation that office fires caused a 47 story steel framed building to be utterly destroyed?

Yes, it caused beams to weaken and a progressive collapse to take place if that is what you mean by utterly destroyed.

You, in contrast, believe that a substantial and highly complex wiring system for a controlled demolition and all the material involved in it survived many hours of uncontrolled fires to magically then silently detonate, and for the normal evidence of said supposed CD to miraculously not appear on any of the videos pointing at the building.

bgamall4 says

Why would you post this idiocy when you see the compilation of demolitions that clearly show squibs, both horizontal andvertical play an important role in demolition? Do you eat stupid cereal for breakfast? What is making you so retarded, Cockroach?

Oh, I don't know, perhaps because all the demolitions you posted up made a noise and looked nothing like WTC7. How's that for starters?

bgamall4 says

Either you are being sarcastic Bob or you are truly one of the dumbest human beings on the face of the earth, only topped by Bigsby.

Sorry sarcasm just isn't in my nature. Why would you even begin to think that? at least I'm in good company with you and professor for being one of the dumbest human beings on the planet.

bgamall4 says

I never saw skyscrapers destroyed by fire.

I have never seen michael jackson have sex either. Did it happen?

The time travelling death ray aliens who brought down the wtc, knowing that they would have to provide some plausible explanation of how the building collapsed, were of course required to put one of their own onto the design team of the wtc. This enabled them to design a unique structure that could be used by the corrupt lying investiigators as an explanation why the buildings appeared to collapse from fire so that people wouldn't realize that agents of the government had spent months ferrying thousands of pounds of explosives into the buildings every night in backpacks, spending many hours each night demolishing then repairing walls and ceilings to fix charges and lay miles of wire (that all managed to work perfectly in the middle of raging fires, very clever indeed) without ever once being noticed by security, maintenance, night workers, or cleaning people all in order to create a false flag controlled demolition in order to cover up for the alien death ray that actually brought down the wtc. It was especially clever how they managed to divert just the right amount of building debris from 1wt to hit 7wt in order to cover up for the cd of 7wt to cover up for the death ray. Damn, these guys are so good it's hard to believe.

The Professor says

egads101 says

Delft building in Netherlands

Good try Roberto. Unfortunately it was not a steel framed building but a steel reinforced concrete building. Can you find a steel framed building that collapsed from fire alone?

"CORRECTION and CLARIFICATION: The Delft University Building was a steel-reinforced concrete building, not a steel-framed building. As the initial report stated, "The fire and subsequent collapse of a substantial portion of the Faculty of Architectural Building at the Delft University of Technology is

significant in that fire-related collapse of structures is

rare, with collapse of reinforced concrete structures

even more so." Steel-reinforced concrete buildings are even MORE resistant to fire than steel framed buildings, but buildings can collapse in fires, regardless of materials."

You quote somebody to reinforce your claims. Presumably then you agree with what that person is saying. What does the last sentence of the passage you quoted say?

The Professor says

So Bob, You believe fires could take down a steel framed building, even though it never has before or since, but you don't believe that it could have been done by explosives? Please tell me you think that it is POSSIBLE that a tower could have been demolished by bombs or I will not be able to entertain your improbable alien theories any more.

Thank you for your entertaining contribution to the debate.

Of course it's possible. It was a critical part of the judeo-alien plan to do a controlled demolition that didn't look like a cd so that people would believe planes crashed into the building and burned so that they could cover up for the alien death ray that turned all the steel in the building into silly putty. It was extremely clever how the aliens tuned the death ray so the steel looked just like it had been in a fire.

I would also like to thank bigmouth for providing the excellent video showing the death ray in action just before the plane hits the tower. Watch those flashes, perfect timing. Also the video showing the death ray equipment attached to the bottom of the plane. Great job finding that stuff. Look at the bottom of the plane. Classic early pre klingon death ray design. look at the lines of that equipment, great looking stuff, that's the 57 chevy of alien death rays right there. A real classic, what a shame to destroy it by running it into the wtc.

The Professor says

Why do you suppose the aliens have not revealed themselves? Maybe they are disguised as real estate agents and bankers?

Why do you suppose all the government conspirators haven't revealed themselves? After all there most have been 100's of Zionist, Mossad, B'nai B'rith‎, card carrying members of the jewish world control society involved. Why are they all hiding? Stand up and take pride in your work.

Aliens have revealed themselves many times. Watch one of the many fine documentaries on the subject like Men In Black, twilight zone, alien nation, et, , my favorite martian, lost in space, etc., etc.. Not to mention all the times they've been on youtube.

bgamall4 says

Bob is already crazy talking about aliens and Egad, you aren't far behind

I take someone constantly talking about world conspiracies calling me crazy a compliment of the highest order.

bgamall4 says

Egads, you read this Bob fellow and realize that you will one day turn into him. It is just a matter of time, Egads, or Roberto or whoever you are. Just a matter of time.

Egads can aspire to such a high order of improvement in his life, but achieving it will be very difficult.

The Professor says

If fire were to cause such a building to collapse, the onset would be gradual, whereas the videos show that WTC 7, after being completely stable, suddenly came down in virtual free fall.

Why does it have to be gradual? And more to the point, the collapse visibly progressed from the side with the penthouse and then rippled across the building.

The Professor says

This building’s straight-down, symmetrical collapse, with the roofline remaining essentially horizontal, shows that all 82 of WTC 7’s support columns had been eliminated by the time the top started down.

Essentially horizontal? Ha. Look at the video below. What visibly collapses first? What does that say is happening beneath it in the internal structure of the building? Do you see the top of the building bow? Be honest.

I think the video I first posted up in Bgamall's deletion friendly thread paints a rather clearer picture of what actually happened than the story the two of you enjoy peddling on here:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OUkvnfV606w

The Professor says

In its Final Report,4 NIST provided a detailed analysis and graph that conceded that WTC 7 came down at free-fall acceleration for over 100 feet, or about 2.25 seconds, consistent with the findings of Chandler and Jones.

Conceded? You mean they broke down the descent into its three main parts. You 'truthers' claim the whole collapse was at freefall speed. No, it wasn't. There isn't anything in the NIST report that is contrary to the basic laws of physics as you 'truthers' so often claim. At or near gravitational acceleration simply indicates that there was little structural support during a portion of the collapse.

Was the total time of the collapse the same as free fall or not? Nothing you've posted up disproves what NIST has said. They haven't changed the statement that the total time was 40% longer than free fall. Are you saying that wasn't the case?

I hope your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek when you posted that.

And from an actual quality journal:

http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm/volumeID_23-editionID_190-ArticleID_1694-getfile_getPDF/thepsychologist/0710swam.pdf

You and Bgamall would probably best be served not reading it. Bgamall in particular given his love of every conspiracy theory imaginable.

The Professor says

I have been here for over a year and no one has offered any credible evidence that the official conspiracy theory is true.

You've been shown plenty. Read the pdf to see why you ignore it all.

Ha, ha, ha. 'The huge explosion' that apparently was so huge it wasn't recorded on that video.

bgamall4 says

My view is that the most powerful power is the Anglo-American_Zionist empire. Now it is clear that the British view the square mile as the seat of world financial power. It is also clear that this financial power has taken advantage of the United States with the housing bubble.

The Zionist part of the Empire has taken advantage of Americans because the neocons in the US, including Cheney, adopted the militant Zionist view of Oded Yinon.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

I hope your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek when you posted that

Your tongue is firmly planted in the hind quarters of the NWO.

And there we have the conspiracy nut par excellence.

The Professor says

For those of you that are not aware of the controversy:

Yeah, because 741 comments later in a single thread, there are, of course, people on this forum unaware of the 'controversy.' That 'controversy' being between those people who believe that 3 silent controlled demolitions (or in Bgamall's case multiple CDs in each building) brought down the WTC buildings vs those people who still have the ability to think rationally.

I guess you still haven't read the pdf. I'm sure it'll ring some bells for you though.

bgamall4 says

Cecil Rhodes advocated a New World Order. The Rhodes Scholarship is named after him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodes_Scholarship

Cecil Rhodes is my personal hero. Anyone who marched off to form a new nation because south africa wasn't racist enough is to be held in awe.

I must say I have completely misjudged you and your intentions. I believed you were simply an alien denier who had turned his back on his own people. Now I know you were merely marshalling your resources to present in a completed form. I should have known that as a wee lad growing up half alien in area 57 you had incredible access to technology and knowledge base. This new world order stuff is just awesome. I haven't been this excited since I turned 21 and my parents told the that the sears catalogue had a lingerie section WITH PICTURES (in all fairness this became a sticky mess in short order, as a child I had wondered why sears sent a new catalogue every year. These the the memories we cherish).

I have to say that you are just awesome to come up with some of this stuff. Much is obviously from the world control network that can only accessed by the jewish cabal that runs the world, how did you get access (I'm sure you are not allowed to answer that). Great work.

I'm sure that if I look at the sources I will be able to come up with much more. Thanks so much for providing me with such a wealth of material. To think I doubted you were on my side. Let's look at what I've learned so far from your link.

The Protocols is to claim that they "really" come from some group other than the Jews such as fallen angels or alien invaders.

Since the late 1970s, extraterrestrials from other habitable planets or parallel dimensions (such as "Greys") and intraterrestrials from Hollow Earth (such as "Reptilians") have been included in the New World Order conspiracy, in more or less dominant roles, as in the theories put forward by American writers Stan Deyo and Milton William Cooper, and British writer David Icke.

aliens have been among us for decades, centuries or millennia, but a government cover-up enforced by "Men in Black" has shielded the public from knowledge of a secret alien invasion.

Motivated by speciesism and imperialism, these aliens have been and are secretly manipulating developments and changes in human society in order to more efficiently control and exploit human beings. In some theories, alien infiltrators have shapeshifted into human form and move freely throughout human society, even to the point of taking control of command positions in governmental, corporate, and religious institutions, and are now in the final stages of their plan to take over the world

A mythical covert government agency of the United States code-named Majestic 12 is often imagined to be the shadow government which collaborates with the alien occupation and permits alien abductions, in exchange for assistance in the development and testing of military "flying saucers" at Area 51, in order for U.S. armed forces to achieve full-spectrum dominance.

the convergence of New World Order conspiracy theory and UFO conspiracy theory is a product of not only the era's widespread mistrust of governments and the popularity of the extraterrestrial hypothesis for UFOs but of the far right and ufologists actually joining forces.

bgamall4 says

bob2356 says

I should have known that as a wee lad growing up half alien in area 57 you had incredible access to technology and knowledge base.

I grew up near Fresno. I met my wife in Orange County. I went to UCSB for a time. I have only been in Las Vegas for a little over a year.

So, easy with the conspiracy. And take your meds.

You are telling me to go easy on conspiracy? Please don't ever say anything that funny again, I spat half a glass of chocolate milk on my desk and almost drowned on the other half before I could stop laughing.

Denying your heritage is a sad thing. Why did you post all the new world order stuff verifying what I have been saying all along if you are truly not a product of the area 57 human alien breeding experiment? Where did you get all this information from without having been brought up with it? Why do you deny truth?

The Professor says

I meant this "Pinocchio Nose".

That looks a lot more like the head of my dick than Pinocchio's nose.

There are of course robotic aliens. Do you suppose some robotic aliens mistook the wtc for a female robotic alien in heat? Perhaps they were actually having alien robotic sex with the wtc without consent and things got out of hand? Maybe the "molton metal" was actually alien semen. Have to ask bigmouth about it since he is half alien.

The Professor says

bob2356 says

Maybe the "molton metal" was actually alien semen

"Molton Metal" and "Alien Semen" where actually two DIFFERENT Death Metal bands from the 80's. Where do you get your info?

I've never heard of either of those death metal bands, what where some of their albums? There was a death metal band called intestinal alien reflux that did a song called blood semen orgasm.

The Professor says

This video is important. It actually shows who is behind the attacks and why they targeted the buildings in the way they did. Follow the money and it will lead you to the truth!

You really watched a 49 minute movie on this stuff? You're kidding right? You're without a doubt single.

The Professor says

I watched a lot of videos. Some were off the deep end; alien lizards with heat weapons kind of stuff. You have to glean the truth from the lies.

I find alien lizards with heat weapons much much more creditable the the ONI investigating securities fraud. How else could have there been such pinpoint accuracy in the explosions at all the security dealers? The evidence can't be refuted.

Since bgalien will never let these videos be posted on his thread for obvious reasons, I'll try to post them here....

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nY4bKUyzp0I

http://www.youtube.com/embed/EvaMPIJIbL4

http://www.youtube.com/embed/qFqCU4VdFqo&list=PL53E205410EC46DBD

The Professor says

I think we can rule out aliens and fires causing WTC7, a steel framed buildings, to collapse as if imploded in a controlled demolition.

Really? You don't think aliens MIGHT have the technology to simulate a controlled demolition?

Are you really that naïve?? Or are you an alien too???

bgamall4 says

You have lost it. You know Neocons aren't aliens.

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? The bottom line is that we know it wasn't a controlled demolition. So, unless you think WTC7 was brought down by office fires--then all that's left is aliens.

Watch the videos then get back with me.