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You have proved nada. Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.
And I don't consider every Black person guilty. That is a silly accusation.
We are rapidly approaching a crime-free society. If it doesn't feel that way to you, it's because news outlets use scare tactics to drive up ratings.
The reality is that you live in the safest time in all of human history.
Strategist saysAnd I don't consider every Black person guilty. That is a silly accusation.
Far less silly than your accusation of me.
Now if being unarmed, law abiding, lying down with your hands up, complying with every order of the cops, and being completely cooperative isn't enough to keep a black man form being shot, what the hell is enough? Do they have to dye their skin white? What the fuck would you have done differently in that situation to keep form being shot? I'm willing to bet neither you nor anyone else has an answer to that question.
So what's the solution?
I have rightfully accused you of so many things
So which one are you referring to?
Strategist saysSo which one are you referring to?
The false accusation that I think all poor people are innocent of all crimes. I gave multiple examples of people who were innocent and the cops did plant evidence, shoot, and/or murder the innocent person.
There is no single magic bullet. There are a number of reforms that I propose.
1. Cease all use of military equipment by the police.
2. End the war on drugs. Decriminalize drugs and treat addiction as a medical problem. This works in every country it has been tried in.
3. End all prohibitions on U.S. citizens over 18 from voting. This includes denying the freedom to vote to felons. A right, by definition, cannot be taken away. Voting should be a right, not a privilege, and making it a privilege gives the state a perverse incentive to criminalize people and creates corruption.
4. All cops should be monitored with body cameras. The same goes for every state-issued gun.
5. The video feed should be stored and accessible to the public.
6. Prisoners should have access to review the video and flag crimes. Who's better to police the police than prisoners? They have the time and motivation.
7. Cops should be tried in a separate court system ran by judges and prosecutors who do not work with cops in trying civilians. This avoids the conflict of interest in our current court system.
8. When a cop is found guilty of a crime, that cop's entire department pays a large civil penalty that is taken from their paychecks and retirement accounts unless that department
9. Don't use prisons as mental illness institutions. Instead use real mental illness institutions to treat the mentally ill.
10. Repeal all victimless crime laws.
11. Use the European prison model. I've posted videos of it on other threads. It works. It's proven.
12. Ban plea bargains. 90% of cases never go to trial because the accused simply cannot risk getting a much longer sentence by exercising his right to trial.
So you gave more anecdotal evidence. When are you gonna realize anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
Agreed. No magic bullet otherwise it would have been done already.
Don't agree too much on this one. Just don't commit a felony. It's really an easy thing to do. Reality is anyone that is a felon is probably very unlikely to vote anyway, so that's I guess why I don't get this one
Are you saying a camera should be installed on the weapon?
Is it possible to do what you're saying?
Is it realistic and best use of tax payer money? No.
I'm not seeing this point being a reality for a while, if ever. I live in a tiny town and this would add substantial dollars to the annual budget.
Dan8267 says6. Prisoners should have access to review the video and flag crimes. Who's better to police the police than prisoners? They have the time and motivation.
I don't get this one at all. A biased, convicted prisoners should have zero influence on anything. This is a bad idea.
That staffing, salaries and benefits alone is $500k in most counties at a bare minimum.
I get where you going, but this is a lunatics idea. While the stakes aren't the same, throw this same concept at any other field/profession. It wouldn't be allowed. It's DOA and always will be. You can't control other humans. And even when you see something wrong (whether you like it or not) it sometimes is not in your best interest to report it. This will ALWAYS exist.
This one is tricky. Again I get what you're saying. But to some ANY criminal activity is a mental illness.
Dan8267 says12. Ban plea bargains. 90% of cases never go to trial because the accused simply cannot risk getting a much longer sentence by exercising his right to trial.
I don't know the intricacies with this one. I actually don't think the criminals would agree with you on this one. But I suppose it's not their choice.
The take a knee movement is about all the innocent and nonthreatening blacks who have been slaughtered by criminal police who never had to answer for their crimes.
There is absolutely no reasonable justification for denying the vote to felons. There are plenty of reasons for not doing so including
Reference, please.
Not even I am that pessimistic about the future. With the exception of financial crime and crimes committed by cops and other government agents, all crime has been plummeting. There is every reason to believe this trend will continue.
Reference, please.
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people, and people of color," Kaepernick said in a press conference after first sitting out during the anthem. "To me, this is bigger than football, and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street, and people getting paid leave, and getting away with murder."
Police brutality has become an incredibly polarising and contentious issue in American life. This has come as a result of repeated videos showing police shooting and killing unarmed black men, which have been posted online and gone viral — illustrating the brutality that black people in America must contend with when dealing with some police officers, who often do not serve any prison time for pulling the trigger.
There’s a pretty rich history of American sports stars wading into the political sphere.
For instance, John Carlos and Tommie Smith made headlines across the world when they raised the black power salute on the podium after winning in the 1968 Olympics. That protest brought them death threats, and they were expelled from the games.
Muhammad Ali is perhaps one of the best known American athletes to take a major political stand. While not a direct stand against racism, Ali refused to be drafted into the Vietnam War — a refusal that involved jail time. He did so on the basis of his faith, he said, but did note the cruel irony of asking black men to fight in Vietnam for a country that has treated them as subhuman.
More recently, NBA players like LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, and others, helped the Black Lives Matter movement pick up steam by wearing supportive shirts following the death of Eric Garner, who was choked to death in New York.
Criminals don't deserve rights.
1. Criminals will vote for those who are soft on crime, which we don't want.
2. There are more important things to worry about than the welfare of criminals.
3. I don't like criminals. Fuck them. If I saw a criminal dying on the street, I would not call 911. I would tell him to have a nice day.
Violent crime has INCREASED over the last 2 years.
Yes, as well as a microphone and a chip for recording all shots. Call it a smart gun. We have smart everything else. It's about time to put smarts in guns. It's cheaper than all the domestic spying our government does.
All active or armed police should be wearing body cameras at all time. It protects honest cops from false allegations and the public from criminal cops. It also makes a cop far less likely to commit a crime just like the camera does with everyone else.
Storage is damn cheap. The government easily spends a hundred times as much on domestic spying then the costs of storing all the body cam videos for at least 20 years, more than enough time to find any crimes committed.
The 1990s called and they want your objections back.
6. Prisoners should have access to review the video and flag crimes. Who's better to police the police than prisoners? They have the time and motivation.
I don't get this one at all. A biased, convicted prisoners should have zero influence on anything. This is a bad idea.
This is another thing you don't understand about technology. Crowdsourcing works regardless of the intent of the users. It's a proven strategy.
As I've said, political will is always the problem.
Strategist says3. I don't like criminals. Fuck them. If I saw a criminal dying on the street, I would not call 911. I would tell him to have a nice day.
And this is why you are far worse than all but a damn few criminals.
Furthermore, this would make you a criminal in some places, those that have Good Samaritan laws.
Also, you are certainly a criminal.
Finally, protecting the rights of criminals is the only way to protect the rights of the innocent.
Vietnamese working 70 hours a week still get their 2 kids scholarships and entrance to Ivy or near-Ivy Schools. How come fatasses with no job at all can't help their kids be successful with all that time to devote to childrearing?
No, money is NOT the issue.
Because the fat ass dads go by a rule.......Fuck and forget.
1. The courts are corrupt and will not prosecute criminal cops. The only solution to this is a separate court system to try cops. The existing court system will not prosecute cops because their power is enforced by cops.
2. The court system is designed to maximize profits, not justice.
3. Poor people get shit legal representation.
4. Adjusted for poverty, blacks get far more time and are prosecuted far more often than whites especially in drug laws. This is the racist part.
5. The war on drug was created to prevent blacks from voting. This is also a racist part.
6. The penal system is designed to maximize recidivism because recidivism is profitable to the courts and the prison industry.
7. There are perverse financial incentives for police, courts, and prison guards.
Agreed. My point was smaller police departments don't have the money.
You do realize that a good majority of towns across America with under 5k people, very likely are still living in the 90's?
You're not getting 3 body cams at probably $1,000 a piece.
Just not to inmates.
You don't think any of them would get some ideas from the videos for future crimes?
You can't fine people based on others actions that are out of their control.
This wouldn't stand any legal test whatsoever.
What you're saying is you'll fine the detective trying to solve a murder sitting at a desk because beat cop Joe just shot a guy for no reason.
Shooting criminals is the best way of protecting the innocent.
You should be glad you weren't shot, according to Dan, cops shoot ALL criminals.
Strategist saysShooting criminals is the best way of protecting the innocent.
Does that include criminal cops?
Some vigilantes would agree with you then. Would you call such vigilantes heroes? Do you consider the Black Panthers heroes?
You do realize that a good majority of towns across America with under 5k people, very likely are still living in the 90's?
Irrelevant. Amazon still charges them the same prices. A hard drive shipped to bumblefuck, Idaho costs no more than the same model shipped to New York City. Even hick towns benefit from globalization.
Try body cams at $10 each, maybe less than $1 each. Any more and you should have me paid $1 million / year to run the whole damn program. I'll save the taxpayers tons of money. I know some secrets. They are called mass production and bulk purchases. If I can buy a single drone with a camera for less than $30 bucks I can equip every cop and every state-issue gun in the nation with a body cam for less than that per cop. The guns don't even have to fly.
You really expect good quality with cheap Chinese junk for $10.00? If you do it, do it right.
Strategist saysYou really expect good quality with cheap Chinese junk for $10.00? If you do it, do it right.
Even if you could do it for $10 a piece, government is so inefficient. They'll force you to have X parameters that only X company can conform with. Next thing you know they're $1k. This is how ANY form of government works. I can't remember who posted this here and I loved it, but people are gonna people.
Dan8267 saysStrategist saysShooting criminals is the best way of protecting the innocent.
Does that include criminal cops?
Yes.
Whoops! There goes that $500
Strategist saysDan8267 saysStrategist saysShooting criminals is the best way of protecting the innocent.
Does that include criminal cops?
Yes.
If you are willing to shoot criminal cops dead without trial, then what the hell objection do you have to me wanting them to stand before a jury in an honest court?
Dan8267 saysStrategist saysDan8267 saysStrategist saysShooting criminals is the best way of protecting the innocent.
Does that include criminal cops?
Yes.
If you are willing to shoot criminal cops dead without trial, then what the hell objection do you have to me wanting them to stand before a jury in an honest court?
I don't. I disagree with your notion that most cops are bad cops.
I don't. I disagree with your notion that most cops are bad cops.
You are arguing with a guy that believes police brutality and abuse is worse than it was 20 years ago despite massively increased federal, judicial, and civilian oversight compared to 20 years ago including the past 8 under a federal justice department headed by a black man appointed by a black president.
Strategist saysI don't. I disagree with your notion that most cops are bad cops.
That is because you ignore the crime of conspiracy. Just about all cops obstruct justice and harbor the criminal cops. It's called the blue wall of silence. It's no different than obstructing the CIA's efforts to thwart a terrorist attack.
The fact is that if even 10% of cops were honest, the other 90% would not get away with their crimes. Even a tiny minority of honest cops would make it impossible for the systemic corruption we see in American police departments.
And again, America is the only western nation that has this problem. Our cops are more like North Korean cops than like European cops.
As for me, I base my beliefs on evidence, of which I have cited plenty. In contrast you have provide no evidence to support your assertions. So which of us is being irrational?
Just about all cops obstruct justice? Prove it.
Dan8267 says
As for me, I base my beliefs on evidence, of which I have cited plenty. In contrast you have provide no evidence to support your assertions. So which of us is being irrational?
You base your beliefs on myths and bias. That is not evidence.
Cherry picking singular events aren't valid for your blanket statements.
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Simply stated, black on black crime is the driver for disproportionate police engagement in the community, the driver for disproportionate friction with the community, and the driver for disproportionate black arrest and incarceration rates.
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