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If you want to defend yourself nothing beats a short barrel 12 gauge. Cheap too
quick change clips.
Hey--I'm the one saying there are many problems and solving it will require many solutions. Let's look at everything.
bob2356 saysIf you want to defend yourself nothing beats a short barrel 12 gauge. Cheap too
bob2356 saysquick change clips.
What sized "clips" do they use?
Criminals are doing mass shootings all around the country? Last time I checked most mass shooters bought perfectly legally. There is no reason whatsoever any civilian needs high capacity quick change clips. I hunted just fine for many years with a bolt action model 70 chambered for 30-06. If you are such a shit shot you need multiple high capacity clips then you shouldn't be hunting at all.
No one ever said that, nice straw man. What could be done is make sending back round information mandatory, updating and modernizing the database, and requiring a back round check for all gun sales. Criminals can only get guns if some where along the line some legitimate gun owner sold a gun to some one who could not pass a back round check. Either through a private sale or straw buyer.
You know who finds clips vs mags funny? Nobody.
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford an $11/hr security guard."
So, how exactly is that going to work at 2:50 when 3000 kids are all exiting the school through those doors? Make every kid line up and exit though the same exit in single file through a turnstile?
I'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.
I'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.
How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?
Kids in NYC take the subway in huge numbers at 2:30PM, but there's still exit turnstiles and has been not just for years, but at least 3 or 4 generations of the countless numbers of New York City Public School Kids (and employees, too).
anon_cf6c6 says
How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?
Not difficult at all. Also not very effective.
Exactly--many, many turnstiles. I just want to make sure you understand what you are advocating. Even so, have you ever waited at the Wrigley Red Line stop right after a Cubs game ends? You're looking at 20-30 minutes easy before you get through the turnstiles.
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."
Or, even more frequently, lethal DWIs
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."
The armed security guard at Stoneman got $75k a year that's $37.50 an hour not $11 and was totally ineffective.
What if that huge school is an open air school and circumventing any gatehouse would be elementary.
There already is border control so why would 1 argue for something that already exists?
Fencing is cheap and easy.
You're confusing a School Resource Officer, a uniformed LEO, with a mere Security Guard. The former has truants to chase, parents to speak to, fights to break up. His job is not to sit at a gatehouse. This one resigned and may not have even been on campus, legit or not legit, since an SRO's duties can take them to a courthouse, residence, or elsewhere off campus.
“What I saw was a deputy arrive … take up a position and he never went in,” the sheriff said at a news conference. “There are no words. I mean these families lost their children. We lost coaches,” Israel said.
Wrong again.
May not have been on campus?
if someone is determined to shoot up a school I don't think they are going to let a chain link fence stop them.
A limit on how much an anon can post, Really?
Remember the saying, “He went postal?.” It seems like decades since that happened. An interesting social question is why? Is life easier now as a postal employee? What social phenomenon has made post offices safer and schools more dangerous?
And thus, because there was no security controlling access to the campus or the buildings themselves, Cruz was able to enter and begin firing before encountering security. DING
Will an Uber Driver ram a chain link fence on behalf of a passenger?
Are there fences other than chain link?
Is it more or less likely someone will be spotted climbing a chain link fence?
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High school kids have ~50 years of unrealized labor potential, at a ballpark of 50k per year.
2,500,000 x 17 = $42,500,000 in lost potential wages
17 families will now have to bury a child. Average cost of funeral service 10k = $170,000
Let’s say on average 50 people attend each funeral, so they have to take a day or two of unpaid bereavement leave.
850 people x $500 in lost wages= $425,000 in lost wages
It’s not cheap to travel with no notice for planning, so we’ll use an average $1,000 per person = $850,000
100’s maybe 1,000s of survivors will now suffer from PTSD, which is hard to calculate costs but easily into the millions = $100,000,000- $1,000,000,000
So we’re already potentially north of 1 billion dollars in costs, without even beginning to consider all the ancillary costs to come, so we can pause and move over to the benefit side of the analysis.
Benefits
A gun manufacturer made a sale of ~1,000 which netted them a hundred or two in profits.
So who gets stuck with the tab for another gun nut taking his lame hobby of target practice to the local high school?
Oddly, not the gun maker. Because your halfwit Republican Government says that the gun worked as intended, to turn teenagers into bloody chunks.