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Does the entire civilized world consist of Iceland?
Average trend in healthcare cost increases before Obamacare was 6.7%, and after was 4.2%. That adds up to about $2400 saving per person per year.
6.7% was the annual increase from 2000 to 2008. 4.2% is the rate of increase after 2008
Healthcare cost growth has decelerated significantly since 2008,
which adds up to a huge saving
How much could it cost to have the National Guard shoot the sick, the poor and infirm?
Radical change is needed. Why is Bernie the only one with the balls to propose one?
Why doesn't the GOP & Trump propose anything while they have power?
I live in in California.
Demographics matter if you want a very generous welfare system.
Nationalize Healthcare nobody should be getting rich off the Sick, the infirmed or the indigent.
Obama had carte blanche (filibuster proof majority) for a few months only, when they passed Obamacare.
Growth has been much lower than projected all while Obamacare has been in law, all while ACA mandated increased patient protections. Can you deny this?
I’m still waiting for the Repeal and Replace of Obamacare that Trump promised
Thanks Koch brothers for showing how Medicare for All Act could save 2 Trillion while insuring every american.
No, did you? $2 Trillion saving is the bottom line to the nation's spending.
Except for in every other healthcare system in the world.
32 trillion is the budget change, replacing 34 trillion of current projected costs, resulting in the 2 trillion savings overall.
In case it's not obvious, 32 trillion would need to come from increasing Medicare taxes, which we could afford by paying 34 trillion less in private insurance and out of pocket expenses.
MrMagic saysSuch strange Liberal logic... claiming that only a 6% INCREASE annually in costs after Obamacare was inacted is so much better than the 8% annual increases before it.
Normal people would say an even 0.25% increase is too much, specially since wage growth during that time had flat lined. To the majority of normal people, the actual cost (in dollars) is the biggest issue, NOT the rate of change in percentages. How many people go to the store and pay for groceries with "percentages"?
Liberals say the strangest things when trying to justify a crap program that really didn't fix the main issues. Liberal Logic at it's best!
Wow, that's one of the dumbest things I've read in a while.
In case it's not obvious, 32 trillion would need to come from increasing Medicare taxes, which we could afford by paying 34 trillion less in private insurance and out of pocket expenses.
“I have to pay for my own health care? But but health care is a right!”
What a failure of a generation.
Any idea how much of that 34 million is paid by employers as a "benefit" to the employee in the form of covering the biggest part of their health insurance bill?
MrMagic saysAny idea how much of that 34 million is paid by employers as a "benefit" to the employee in the form of covering the biggest part of their health insurance bill?
And those benefits are part of your compensation package. It's YOUR money
a plan that saves money and gives everyone health care
In case that's not obvious as well, employers could be MADE to pay their part, just the same way as they DO for Social Security already. It's called writing legislation.
You think the employers will roll over at the barrel of a gun and start paying all these new INCREASED Medicare taxes for ALL employees?
When one is actually discussed, then you have a point.
Until then, no dice.
Actually it's not, it's a "benefit", as in perk of their job. That's why there are employees who DON'T get it.
MrMagic saysActually it's not, it's a "benefit", as in perk of their job. That's why there are employees who DON'T get it.
lol--no, it's a benefit.
Regardless of the term you want to call it, it's part of one's compensation package so it's YOUR money.
I think it is obvious that we will see many doctors leave the practice and the shortage of healthcare providers will have a big impact on costs, wait times and quality of care.
So, EVERYONE in the company gets it, since it's THEIR money?
Leon - I believe the analysis showing $2 trillion in savings assumes that the health industry remains static and that all doctors will happily take roughly a 30-40% cut to accept Medicare level payments.
This thread is discussing it.
Can you show something to back that up?
Where will doctors go if the Government takes over the whole system?
Medicare For All plan would actually save us moneyThat is a non-sequitur. (Where is Iwog when you need him?) If your taxes increase more than you are paying for insurance now, not so.
MrMagic saysSo, EVERYONE in the company gets it, since it's THEIR money?
wtf are you talking about? Those that get healthcare costs paid by the company are getting a benefit as part of their total compensation package. Regardless of who sends the check to the healthcare company, it's the employee's money.
If your taxes increase more than you are paying for insurance now, not so.
What you're talking about is health insurance premium costs, please keep the terminology straight.
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