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Noone could ever pretend this was a real charity.

I'd love to see someone try.

This is how Stupidly Entitled the Liberals think they are. Rather than just let the cards fall and call it a day. They put shit on Trump, deflected all of their crimes, dragged White Conservatives into the cat fight. Bedeviled all of the brown people in America to attack White people trying to incite race wars. These people are so fucking Sick it's a wonder they are foaming at the mouth with rabies.

All they really had to do was take their political lumps, let Trump take a whack at the Political process. Wait him out, wait out the storm, then jump back in when he was gone.
They must have really been 100% convinced that Trump would be able to reform Washington and drain the Swamp. They didn't want to risk sitting it out and waiting Trump out. They knew there would be nothing for their kind to go back to after "8" years of Trump.

Marcel "You feel that Sting burning, that's Pride Fucking with ya!"

That is to say, had they not pushed back on Trump and deflected. Trump never planned on exposing Senior people in Government regardless how crooked they were. He was just going to stop the graft, corruption and fraud. I don't think he planned exposing everyone that will end up exposed now.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

The Clinton Foundation is a scam but somehow its lawyers have managed to keep the lights on. Trump on the other hand ran his foundation

$970k shut down for potential conflict of interests for fundraising... so you mean Trumo did the right thing w a charity 1/400th the size of Clinton foundation.

What.A.Monster.

Make it law to have minimum 90% giveaway to charities, or else you ain't one...

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

So you want to close the Red Cross and orphanages that finance operational enterprises?

Red cross is a scam so yes

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

whose greatest act of charity was buying Trump a portrait of himself

Source?

Is his "scam" worse than a 2% donation ratio and $180 million/yr of pay-to-play donations?

This trump story is a distraction at best. The Clinton Foundation is at the core of corruption, it may still go down in a big way.

CBOEtrader says

whose greatest act of charity was buying Trump a portrait of himself

Source?

Is his "scam" worse than a 2% donation ratio and $180 million/yr of pay-to-play donations?

This trump story is a distraction at best. The Clinton Foundation is at the core of corruption, it may still go down in a big way.

Clinton foundation being a mega-scam does not exclude a possibility of Trump foundation being a scam. It also seems that buying painting of a Trump would go together with Trump's self-aggrandizing behavior pretty well. What is bothersome though is that none of so-called mainstream media cover Clinton megascam.

MisterLefty says

It took 486 people who are paid $34.8 million and $91.3 million in fees and expenses, to give away $5.1 MILLION WHICH IS LESS THAN 3% OF TOTAL REVENUES!

Almost all charities are a financial scam.

There are: 1) charities for the rich - these are charities setup by the rich people for garnering tax benefits, peddling influence, pushing one's political agenda, social engineering, and carrying out corruption - Clinton Foundation and Koch Brothers come in this category, American Red Cross to a large extent 2) charities for the employees - these are charities usually set up by social workers and activities to provide themselves with a living wage so that they don't have to get a real job - these charities are mainly for the benefit for employees who run the charities, and 3) charities for the poor - these are charities that are setup to provide to the poor and the needy - these are rare and difficult to find.

Back int the day, when my financial situation was much better, I used to donate to charities, but then the more I found out about it the more I realized how much of a scam these charities are.

Did anyone ever claim that the single mission or function of the Clinton Foundation was only to take money and channel it to other charities ? You should have taken t a step further and looked at the efficiency ratings for the charities that recieved money from the Clinton Foundation.

If there is Clinton selfishness in the CLinton foundations, it's in the fact that they use their political skills and reputations to get resources devoted to solving very real problems. That gives them the chance to feel that their lives have more meaning and purpose. I guess that's selfish. .

It's inpossible to underestimate the dishonesty of rightwingers. You preach to each other with lies, and say, "yep I know right, can I get an Amen ? Amen brother."

The lengths you go to to believe what you want to believe are astounding. If it's a scam, what is the goal ? To enrich the Clintons ? THe Clintons are rich from books and speaking fees. THey give a lot to the Clinton Family foundation which is not to be confused with the Clinton foundation.

MisterLefty says

It took 486 people who are paid $34.8 million and $91.3 million in fees and expenses, to give away $5.1 MILLION WHICH IS LESS THAN 3% OF TOTAL REVENUES!

I honestly can't tell whats greater in this statement, the disingenuousness of it, or the complete lack of thought that went in to it. Did you ever spend even one minute researching what the Clinton Foundation is ?

Then you'll probably turn around and say, you can't solve problems by just throwing money at them.

alpo says

2) charities for the employees - these are charities usually set up by social workers and activities to provide themselves with a living wage so that they don't have to get a real job

I dated a girl who did this. Of course I learned of her transgressions while dating her. The crazy thing is, she was so stuck on identifying herself with the cause, that she had no problem paying HERSELF AS THE CAUSE.

Well, over the years I wasnt the only one who noticed : https://thedirty.com/city/chicago/jeannette-pawula/#post-2258117

FYI: the guy in the photo w her is Dick Durbans son. He also broke up w her immediately upon learning that 60% of her charity donations went straight into her bank account.

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2016/6/23/what-the-heck-does-the-clinton-foundation-actually-do.html

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

The Clinton Foundation is a scam but somehow its lawyers have managed to keep the lights on. Trump on the other hand ran his foundation with the same precision and probity as his casinos and ended up having to shutter the thing.

That just shows us that lawyers are better at stealing and cheating and getting away with it. No wonder they can’t find any real dirt on Trump! With the shitty lawyers he hires, he can’t get away with jaywalking! They are literally going full auto cannon after him right now for a POSSIBLE campaign finance violation! Something that isn’t even a misdemeanor is occupying the time of fifty FBI agents and a special counsel. All on the word of a lady of ill repute.

It doesn’t get much more silly than that.

marcus says

That gives them the chance to feel that their lives have more meaning and purpose. I guess that's selfish. .

This is your honest opinion of the Clintons? Wow. Did you read the wikileaks?

Marcus learned to ignore facts about Democrats that makes them look bad.

CBOEtrader says

marcus says

That gives them the chance to feel that their lives have more meaning and purpose. I guess that's selfish. .

This is your honest opinion of the Clintons? Wow. Did you read the wikileaks?

FortWayne says

Marcus learned to ignore facts about Democrats that makes them look bad.

If HIllary hadn't been secretary of state, and run for President, then Bill Clinton and the CLinton Foundation would be seen in a very similar light as the Carter post Presidency has been seen. Maybe even better than Carter becasue of the sheer scale of what he's done with the Clinton foundation, and the ways in which Clinton has applied his charms and political skills toward good works.

It's politics above all else that clouds your ability to reason.

It's okay Fort Wayne, you've proven yourself repeatedly to be about as gullbible and programable by right wing bullshit as anyone I have ever even heard of.

She should be in jail, paying back to donors she scammed.

They died protecting America from further 911 attempts.

Terrorists are on the run.

HEYYOU says

From the links home page,
"Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In U.S. War And Occupation Of Iraq 4,801"

"Sacrificed" wrong word. Slaughtered by a Republican lie.

Does everyone like my cherry picking of rotten Republicans?

marcus says

it's in the fact that they use their political skills and reputations to get resources devoted to solving very real problems. DONATED TO THEIR FOUNDATION.

Can you say Haiti rebuilding? There. now it's accurate.

marcus says

That gives them the chance to feel that their lives have more meaning and purpose. I guess that's selfish

Of course everyone knows that's the true mission of the Clintons, to help everyone else.... Geez....

marcus says

If it's a scam, what is the goal ? To enrich the Clintons ?

Well, we won't look at the fact they they donate a million dollars to the foundation, pay 36% ($360K) less on their taxes, then they get the CF to pay of all their travel and expenses FREE, which actually gives them a "double dip" on their money. Yep, no enrichment there....

marcus says

Did you ever spend even one minute researching what the Clinton Foundation is ?

A scam where they use their influence to pad their personal slush-fund bank account at The CF? Yep, we know what it is.

marcus says

It's politics above all else that clouds your ability to reason.

Did you really say that?

Holy crap, talk about projection!

MrMagic says

marcus says

It's politics above all else that clouds your ability to reason.

Did you really say that?

Holy crap, talk about projection!

Yeah amazing right?

Yep. So you're saying basically, "I know you are but what am I." Impressive

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

marcus says

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Yep, I didn't think you could defend any of your crazy assertions.

Wonder what Chelseas salary was 20m and 10m in "expences" like her wedding, probably more.

marcus says

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Yes of course. But that user hasn't posted in a very long time.

marcus says

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

"Reality has a well known Nazi bias"- said every Nazi ever.

Would like to see the top 5 employees and what their pay was.

FPBT says

What i'd like to know is why didn't the author tell us about line 8? $172,579,474. Contributions and grants. I guess it didn't fit his narrative.

Because that's INCOMING revenue the Clinton's scammed from other sources.

What exactly do you need explained about it?

FPBT says

MrMagic says

What exactly do you need explained about it?

nothing, now that you pointed out that it was revenue

Simple 101 balance sheet math.

FPBT says

But shouldn't we be comparing the $5.1 million with total expenses and not total revenue, since they didn't spend all the revenue?

That's the WHOLE problem. They DIDN'T spend all the revenues for charitable purposes, but held on to them for more of the scam expenses.

Duh.....

Liberals and math..... Geez....

marcus says

Did anyone ever claim that the single mission or function of the Clinton Foundation was only to take money and channel it to other charities ?

Yeah Marcus makes a good point. Its the Clinton led initiatives that need to be investigated. Also, disingenuous to suggest their grants are the charitable work.

The Wikileaks evidence, combined w the fact that both poor and rich countries pulled out when Clinton lost election are totally sketch. However, we can not suggest a 3% cause donation ratio from the numbers.

MrMagic says

That's the WHOLE problem. They DIDN'T spend all the revenues for charitable purposes, but held on to them for more of the scam expenses.

Maybe, but we'd need to get that info from an auditor. You can't just look at the numbers and come to this conclusion.

MisterLefty says

They list 486 employees (line 5)!

It took 486 people who are paid $34.8 million and $91.3 million in fees and expenses, to give away $5.1 MILLION WHICH IS LESS THAN 3% OF TOTAL REVENUES!

Line 22 shows ending year net assets/fund balances of $332,471,349.00 which is up $85,171,891 from last year’s tax return!

And they call this a CHARITY?

MrMagic says

That's the WHOLE problem. They DIDN'T spend all the revenues for charitable purposes, but held on to them for more of the scam expenses.

This stupidity has been debunked so many times. CIC got totally spanked on this one a couple years ago. It was even the same exact article. . .

The foundation runs it's own charity work. That's why there are 486 people on payroll. They are all over the world DOING charitable work. Here is the actual audited financial statement from 2016 (2017 audited isn't posted yet).https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2016.pdf Feel free to got to page 22 note 10 and look at where the money was actually spent. There was 138 million spent for the health initiative alone providing health care to 11 million people in 33 countries in one year . . Why not compare that to trump foundation making political contributions, paying his lawyers, and buying art work for his golf courses.

The clintons are sleazebags, but the foundation is highly regarded. Charity Navigator gives it a top rating. The IRS accepts the numbers every year. But then again the IRS knows what a form 990 is and how to read it unlike the patnet "experts".

Bob using Clinton foundation statement on Clinton foundation site as proof?

Yeah that honor system did wonders for Bernie Madoff.

bob2356 says

The clintons are sleazebags, but the foundation is highly regarded. Charity Navigator gives it a top rating. The IRS accepts the numbers every year. But then again the IRS knows what a form 990 is and how to read it unlike the patnet "experts".

Yeah I agree w you for once (grudgingly).

The sketchyness regarding the Clinton Foundation isnt their charity navigator form 990 numbers. I do think there is massive corruption there, as evidenced by Wikileaks and countries pulling their investments. However, the numbers in their filings look fine.

bob2356 says

They are all over the world DOING charitable work. Here is the actual audited financial statement from 2016 (2017 audited isn't posted yet).https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2016.pdf

bob2356 says

The clintons are sleazebags,

Ha Ha Ha Ha ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HAha Ha aha aha a LOL LOL OLO LOlOLoLOLOll lOl LoL LOlO

Bob taking the word of the Clinton's that what they do is legit...

Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FortWayne says

Bob using Clinton foundation statement on Clinton foundation site as proof?

Amazing stuff, right??

Hey Bob, have you found those missing 30,000 emails of Hillary's yet talking about yoga classses and Chelsea's wedding?


FPBT says

and prove Bob wrong.

That's done on a daily basis here, but he still keeps coming back.

Counterpoint: https://www.businessinsider.com/executive-compensation-at-the-red-cross-2012-11

In 2010, top executive compensation looked like this:

Executive director Gail McGovern made $561,210
EVP for biomedical services James Hrouda made $621,779
Biomedical services president Shaun Gilmore made $573,933

Nothing will happen until they are no longer useful, then they will be suicided

Booger says

History major at Stanford then a masters in international relations from Oxford made Chelsea well qualified for a job as a "as a special correspondent. One of her roles was reporting feature stories about "Making a Difference" for NBC Nightly News ". She also spent her career writing best selling children books before semi retiring with a net worth of $15,000,000. She now works for free at her, and her parents, charity foundation.