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this is scary, should I be turning wifi off when I'm not using it?

You should be paranoid in proportion to the amount of money involved.

There is a metric shit ton of money involved in cellular approvals. You can be absolutely certain that "your" Congressmen represent cellular interests much more than they represent you. After all, how much did you spend on their latest re-election campaign?

Thus, you should be pretty paranoid about 5g.

I use to do a lot of rf work and totally agree with her. There has also been studies some very old about rf causing damage to the blood brain barrier. Many studies on emf effecting all sorts of animals.

It's a cool party trick to use your cell phone to flash shadows of your skeleton on the wall.

Cell signals are all over. Its not easy to avoid. Does anybody know if metallic coated outfit help avoid RF radiation or any other easy mechanism to minimize the RF effects.

Blue says

Cell signals are all over. Its not easy to avoid. Does anybody know if metallic coated outfit help avoid RF radiation or any other easy mechanism to minimize the RF effects.

The "mechanism" you're looking for is called "Faraday cage". Look it up.

Basic physics explains the greenhouse effect, yet shitloads of people refuse to believe in global warming.

Basic physics also explains that electromagnetic waves with frequencies below 100GHz are not ionizing (cannot knock electrons lose from an atom or molecule or break chemical bonds, which is what causes DNA changes and cancer). All they can do is heat up your skin by some small amount. 5G is in the 800MHz-2300MHz range, some plans for 4-5000MHz and maybe 27000 MHz (27GHz) for backhaul (already in use for radar and radio links, BTW). So 5G is just heat, not ionizing. Nothing to be afraid of. Yet millions of people believe that cellphones and celltowers are dangerous, and refuse to accept simple physics.

Sunshine is massively more dangerous than cellphones or cell towers of any sort (including 5G ones). It contains all kinds of nasty super-high frequencies. It will heat you, burn you, mutate your cells, and give you skin cancer.

Ceffer says

It's a cool party trick to use your cell phone to flash shadows of your skeleton on the wall.

Will we finally be able to see fully dressed girls naked with the 5G technology?

WillPowers says

She says: "Wireless radiation has biological effects. Period."

She's right.... Too much to their brains, and people start voting for Democrats.

komputodo says

Ceffer says

It's a cool party trick to use your cell phone to flash shadows of your skeleton on the wall.

Will we finally be able to see fully dressed girls naked with the 5G technology?

No need for 5G if you join TSA.

justme says

Sunshine is massively more dangerous than cellphones or cell towers of any sort (including 5G ones). It contains all kinds of nasty super-high frequencies. It will heat you, burn you, mutate your cells, and give you skin cancer.

How many people are exposed to sunshine 24/7 like they are to their phones?

justme says

So 5G is just heat, not ionizing. Nothing to be afraid of. Yet millions of people believe that cellphones and celltowers are dangerous, and refuse to accept simple physics.

You mean like the simple physics that CO2 can't possibly heat up the planet?

Maybe that heat comes from the SUN you mentioned earlier??? What a concept!

justme says

Basic physics also explains that electromagnetic waves with frequencies below 100GHz are not ionizing (cannot knock electrons lose from an atom or molecule or break chemical bonds, which is what causes DNA changes and cancer).

Are we simplifying slightly? maybe?
For example: what about photovoltaic effect? Knocking electrons with light frequencies?
Also when you say "just heat"... "Just heat" is enough to cook a steak. That's a chemical change involving a bunch of chemical bonds.
A microwave oven uses frequencies around 2,450 MHz and, like other heat sources, it DOES cause some chemical changes. That's why it works.
So it is a matter of power, but less power just means less changes statistically... A given molecule - like a DNA molecule - may happen to be hit the wrong way and change as a result.

Not saying 5G has an effect... but it doesn't appear to be an easy conclusion.

Heraclitusstudent says

A microwave oven uses frequencies around 2,450 MHz and, like other heat sources, it DOES cause some chemical changes.

Actually the way it heats is that the microwaves cause a resonance in hydrogen covalent bonds, causing them to vibrate in and out of energy states which causes thermal energy gain.
That’s why hydrogen-rich items heat fastest in a microwave. Like soup. But if you try to heat a gallon of soup in a large bowl, only the outside inch or so of the soup gets hot and must then transmit that heat through convection to the cold interior of the soup.
Or try it with a big bowl of mashed potatoes.

This is why you can heat a steel container in the microwave for a long time without it gaining any heat. No hydrogen bonds to speak of in the steel!

Well, the microwave transmits thermal energy to the steak which in turn, cooks the steak. The steak cooks from the thermal energy. It's not directly causing a chemical reaction. If you blasted the steak with individual microwave photons, there would be no chemical reaction.

Heraclitusstudent says

>>what about photovoltaic effect? Knocking electrons with light frequencies?

I'll give you some homework,since I think you will appreciate the physics better if you go through the math yourself.

1. What is the frequency of UV light needed for the photoelectric effect? How much higher is the frequency of UV light than the frequency of cellphone signals? Do cellphones emit UV light? Does the sun emit UV light? Is it now clear why sunlight is dangerous and cellphone signals are not?

2. Heating: What temperature is needed to break chemical bonds? What steady-state temperature will be reached in 1 liter of water (10cm cube) at 20C ambient if the water is subjected to 100mW (milliWatt) of heat? What does the answer (temperature) tell you about whether cellphone can cause overheating of your head or body? What would you rather do, use a cellphone all day all week, or sit once in a Sauna for 10min?

Hopefully, when you have answered these questions, you will understand better.

The new tech is apparently gong to track your phone position in real-time, and used phased arrays to send signals directly. This will require millions of antennae in cities. Will the signal strength be significant enough to be dangerous? I have radio waves (AM and FM) around me constantly, but I don't think they are detrimental.

So, no big deal. If it's just city folk getting brain cancer and going crazy, how will we know?

justme says

1. What is the frequency of UV light needed for the photoelectric effect? How much higher is the frequency of UV light than the frequency of cellphone signals? Do cellphones emit UV light? Does the sun emit UV light? Is it now clear why sunlight is dangerous and cellphone signals are not?

yet visible light below UV is not ionizing radiation either. Yet does it not create a photovoltaic effect? Photons hitting atoms excite electrons to higher energy bands where some other effect happens. The point is it doesn't need to be ionizing radiation to even extract electrons.

justme says

2. Heating: What temperature is needed to break chemical bonds?

It depends on the chemical bond and possible reactions. Many chemical reactions just happen more slowly at lower temperatures.

justme says

What steady-state temperature will be reached in 1 liter of water

But we are not talking of heating up an entire body of matter. Some molecules may have resonance with specific frequencies. So while the overall temperature impact on the body is close to 0, the impact on 1 molecule could be higher, and maybe enough to alter it.

I am not too worried about all the EMF/waves around us...yet. But I still play it safe, put the phone far away from my brain when I sleep. I used to work with EE's that were convinced there is evidence of higher brain cancer rate amongst those working around high power EMF exposure.
So tin foil hatter were right afterall.
Magnetic fields too:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-railway-cancer-idUSHO97905220070529

Heraclitusstudent says

Not saying 5G has an effect... but it doesn't appear to be an easy conclusion.

Exactly. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that even non-ionizing radiation is somehow causing cancer:

https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/mobile-phone-radiation/

Phone in the bra?
I will look into that.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/expert-report-fifth-generation-5g-directed-energy-radiation-emissions-context-nanometal-contaminated-vaccines-include-covid-19-graphite-ferrous-oxide-antennas/5786727

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/well-being-dangers-of-5g

Well Being: Dangers of 5G
More evidence of regulatory and corporate media capture

https://emfacademy.com/smart-meter-radiation/
In fact, the World Health Organization has specifically listed non-ionizing radiation from things like cell-phones, WiFi routers, and smart meters as “possible carcinogens,” meaning they could increase cancer risks.

“A wireless smart meter produces radiofrequency microwave radiation with two antennas in approximately the same frequency range (900 MHz to 2.4 GHz) as a typical cell tower. But, depending on how close it is to occupied space within a home, a smart meter can cause much higher RF exposures than cell towers commonly do.