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I’m not so sure these people are contributing to the economy. Most are criminals, other than their illegal status.
Why do Mexican illegals get special treatment for their line cutting ways?
The truth is Democrats/Leftist love illegal aliens and the current immigration system (which they could’ve fixed from 2008-2016) because it creates a dependent class of poor losers who will continue to vote Democrat (legally or not). That doctor from Poland waiting to come over the “right way” may not vote Democrat since he wouldn’t be dependent on welfare to survive.
Illegals are not here for our benefit.
Most of them are here primarily to drain cash from the US and send it to Mexico.
Legal immigrants don't send nearly as much out.
Patrick saysThis is good news.
Illegal immigrants drive down wages for the poorest American citizens, with lots of help from the US Chamber of Commerce, appropriately abbreviated as the CoC. The CoC, which is basically the bosses' union, cares about nothing but business profits and are more than willing to push US citizens further into poverty to do it.
I think it's good news that we're going to enforce our laws, but it's a double edged sword. Even if they're low wage jobs and some of the illegals are unemployed, taking 1 million people out of the economy will have some detrimental economic impact. While they may be evading taxes and using government provided resources, it's impossible to avoid sales/gas tax, all of which every illegal is paying. They're also paying rent (property tax). This is a lot of money for local economies. That's why these sanctuary cities are all up in arms. They've made their own bed,...
Americans will take their jobs for higher pay and thus pay more taxes and stimulate the economy more. Plus less crime and tax evasion. Many send the money home so it flows out of the US which is not good. These raids are huge wins.
The higher pay will pull from corporate/business profits though.
WookieMan saysThe higher pay will pull from corporate/business profits though.
Wait are you making the point that the business environment would be worse off if illegal aliens left?
Ultimately the businesses will just charge more for their product and the consumer will pay more and the owners make the same amount. Or they'll cut employees to offset the increased cost of their overall workforce. It ultimately won't hurt the business, but there's a higher likelihood less people are working if wages are higher. Less spending from them on other things. It trickles all over.
Do you honestly think the overall economy is better off because of illegals? Let's not concentrate on the micro level and examine individual firms, I'm talking about the overall economy.
I don't think they should get special treatment for cutting in line so to speak.
Why not just have our guys go after the ones actively crossing the border and extract what we can from the current illegals living here.
Do you honestly think the overall economy is better off because of illegals? Let's not concentrate on the micro level and examine individual firms, I'm talking about the overall economy.
We need to send a message as a deterrent. Right now, illegals rightfully believe that they are basically off scott-free if they can sneak across the border. So people will keep trying unless they know the government and society will continue to pursue them even if they successfully break in.
I have argued with pampered pooch females about how they do work "Americans won't do." I then tell the bitch that my mother picked strawberries in the summer, later was a chambermaid to spend summer in Nantucket island.
I’m mostly in agreement with Wookieman. Give those who have shown good faith a path to citizenship, and toss the criminals. This accomplishes the goal of removing illegals from the workforce, since the people will now have either a legal status of Americans or they will be Mexicans living in Mexico.
The system here is entirely dysfunctional; the people who come on tourist visas who never leave are not caught and deported; why not????
Give those who have shown good faith a path to citizenshipWhen they become citizens, what's to prevent them from going on welfare like other low-skilled citizens? And, when they are working before becoming citizens, do they really generate enough surplus taxes to pay for themselves and their kids' very expensive schooling? Hint: 3 kids in California schools is $30k or more; to collect $30k in various state taxes they would need an adjusted gross income of $180k/year and to be paying full property taxes on a $1.2 MM house. Is that really typical for the people sneaking across the border? If you were that productive, seems to me you would just buy your way into a 1st-world country legally.
I’m mostly in agreement with Wookieman. Give those who have shown good faith a path to citizenship
know several illegal alien females who had medical issues; one had surgery before having her anchor baby; another two have diabetes and an illegal boy I know went up to Stanford for free cancer treatment. Well, nothing is free; we taxpayers paid for it.
sunnyvale's proposal is absurd
Quigley saysI’m mostly in agreement with Wookieman. Give those who have shown good faith a path to citizenship
Fuck, no.
removing a million people will bring some shock to the economy.
Illegals are a drag, but I'm guessing if you did the math, it's probably a net gain economy wise if they stay.
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This is good news.
Illegal immigrants drive down wages for the poorest American citizens, with lots of help from the US Chamber of Commerce, appropriately abbreviated as the CoC. The CoC, which is basically the bosses' union, cares about nothing but business profits and are more than willing to push US citizens further into poverty to do it.
The election of Trump was in large part resistance to the CoC's assault on Americans.