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I don't know whether this medication is helpful for the CORONAVIRUS (Sorry Patrick, calling it Wuhan doesn't make it any less of a pandemic) - but tens of thousands of people who are dependent upon the medication are struggling to get it - all because Trump wanted a "win."
3. we should all resist attempts to shame us into altering our speech to please the coastal elite who have betrayed the country to China
For low paying jobs, employers can't justify the health insurance costs, and so they outsource.
So please understand that if you aren't for single payer, or some other nationalized plan, you are literally guilty of murdering Americans.
This is the bigger cause of outsourcing and a FAR bigger cause of lost liveable wage jobs than illegal immigration.
Single-payer or other nationalized plans would certainly result in more American deaths: more bureaucratic red-tape and lower pay would make less people want to become doctor and nurses; even during this Covid-19 fiasco,
more American deaths
Career choice is a relative thing. People that go into medicine, like people, like helping people, like science, have an aptitude for it, and sure want to be able to afford a family etc.
That last on is just one factor. Not everyone is focused only on money.
Nahh, not buying it. Pay would be a little different. Maybe some of the docs that now make 250K would be making 150K. Who knows, some nurses might be paid more. You're really totally speculating on this one.
All the other first world nations figured it out. We're just more self centered and selfish here.
And we're in this situation where our own selfish fear of our own health care being slightly worse, so that everyone can have healthcare, prevents us from doing the right thing.
Career choice is a relative thing. People that go into medicine, like people, like helping people, like science, have an aptitude for it, and sure want to be able to afford a family etc. , or otherwise make a decent living.
This one is the most questionable of all. Quite the opposite in my opinion. Do you have any idea how many preventable problems are not addressed soon enough becasue of people not having health insurance ? I don't know the number, but common sense should tell you it's huge, if you understand human nature. Hell, a lot of people don't even attend to their health well if they do have health insurance.
Dropping pay to 150k/yr would certainly turn away more than 5% (perhaps 30% if not over 50%) of the top students trying to be doctors . . . and that would translate to tens of thousands of avoidable patient deaths each year.
LOL! Elliemae is providing evidence for (1) regular HCQ intake has helped preventing her from getting the WuFlu / Covid-19 despite her daily routine of meeting numerous sick people in the last few months; (2) HCQ doesn't have side effect on most people.
Seems like the drug is not about to kill you if it's prescribed for things like arthritis.
We shouldn’t consign people to death when they could be treated effectively for any reason, much less because someone else would be inconvenienced
This is like me bitching about Diabetics hogging up all of the insulin, because I can't find any to use in my salad dressing.
LOL! You answered your own question. Medical insurance is not the answer to their problems.The ACA allowed for many people to gain health insurance and stop using the ER as a revolving door for primary care issues. No, medical insurance is not the answer - access to healthcare is the answer.
But Shaman, when I AM inconvenienced by not being able to take my medications, I inconveniently end up in the hospital because the treatment (steroids for starters) causes my immune system to shut down and then I get infections... UTI, Kidney, all over from the scratching... and I'm exposed to nosocomial infections there, which is also a blast.
Reality saysLOL! Elliemae is providing evidence for (1) regular HCQ intake has helped preventing her from getting the WuFlu / Covid-19 despite her daily routine of meeting numerous sick people in the last few months; (2) HCQ doesn't have side effect on most people.
Well, you might be correct - only you don't know if I've adjusted my practice or my patient population, so you don't have any "evidence" that I've not gotten sick because of my meds. So far as my "evidence" of HCQ not having side effects on most people - I'm not "most people" and I'm certainly not side-effect free. But thanks for playing.
The ACA allowed for many people to gain health insurance and stop using the ER as a revolving door for primary care issues. No, medical insurance is not the answer - access to healthcare is the answer.
For me, it's more basic. The egomaniac in the White House opened his mouth, attempting to practice medicine without a license without sufficient information or knowledge to support it, and it created problems for many, many people. I am one of them - and I could die because he's a fucking idiot.
I'm just here becasue of the habit, and to try to add a little balance to the hate and stupidity.
This is all ultimately bull shit at the end of the day.
LOL! The only evidence we have at this point is that "Elliemae" is a character created by a lying crook who keeps changing his/her story.
BTW, that foot is ugly, only slightly less ugly than the atrociously selfish personality shown by the "Elliemae" character. If you want to make a more convincing case for the Democrats, you need to go back to the drawing board and create a different character more worthy of sympathy.
LOL! You will die. That is a given for anyone who is alive.
Sorry to hear about your situation with Rhuematoid arthritis.. TY Marcus. I do appreciate the sentiment - so far it appears that it's Elliemae's untimely death, 12,492 to Elliemae's life 2 in the beginning of the third quarter.
Elliemae is a very real person, not sure which story I've changed but that's your opinion and I respect it, no matter how stupid and insignificant it truly is.
She at least saw fit to vanish after Trump won the election
Elliemae is a very real person, not sure which story I've changed but that's your opinion and I respect it, no matter how stupid and insignificant it truly is.
Also, FUCK Reality.
This place is basically a relative rightwing hell hole these days. Trump gave a lot of scumbags the opportunity to show the world who they really are. But I try to stay optimistic about America. Only by showing the assholes the love (or at least tolerance) they've obviously been deprived of, do we have a chance of helping them.
LOL! The part where you claimed to have a daily routine of meeting different people, then later on changing the story to that you have changed daily routine.
Chances are that you had plenty exposure to people who were sick from WuFlu in January, February and early MarchThat would be true if I were in the acute care setting. But I am not.
it is reasonable to assume that you followed the shills' advice that the WuFlu was nothing in January,
you were not getting ill (despite yourself being prone to inflamation) is indicative that HCQ worked well as a preventive against WuFlu in your case.You sure do assume a lot - and it makes an ass out of u. Not me. Because I have an understanding of the randomness of infection, infection control practices - and more importantly, limiting patient contact. It also helps that my current setting is fairly low-risk as compared to many other settings. But HCQ has not worked as a preventive for the virus - it doesn't work that way. And since I haven't been infected, we don't know if the medication would help with my viral load and potential for recovery. HCQ has not been proven to be effective - it also hasn't been proven not to be effective. Just because your magical leader tells you it's awesome doesn't make it so.
Chloroquine and its close relative hydroxychloroquine offered signs that they may ease some of the hallmark symptoms of coronavirus infection in patients who were hospitalized with COVID-19. But the drugs largely failed to deliver improvements on other key measures when evaluated in rigorous research studies.
In research done in France, hydroxychloroquine reduced neither deaths nor admissions to intensive care units among patients who received it. In a study conducted in China and another in Brazil, the two drugs failed to help patients clear the coronavirus faster.
No, medical insurance is not the answer - access to healthcare is the answer.
The paper mentions that chloroquine and HCQ have been mandated as the standard therapy in Brazil, so there is no way to run a control group, though.
Hydroxychloroquine and Other Autoimmune Drugs Don’t Fully Protect Against Coronavirus, Early Data Suggest
Dozens of people taking hydroxychloroquine and other treatments for chronic rheumatologic diseases have become infected with Covid-19, according to an analysis of emerging data that is a sign the drugs may not protect people from the new coronavirus.
More than five dozen people with chronic ailments like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis were taking medications such as hydroxychloroquine before being diagnosed with the coronavirus, according to data compiled by the Global Rheumatology Alliance, a coalition of rheumatologists,...
The current study is an uncontrolled observational study in 80 COVID-19 patients with mild infection. All were treated with the two drugs, hydroxychloroquine, and azithromycin for three or more days. ...
Did the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combo work?
The administration of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin brought about an improvement in all but one patient (who was elderly, had severe symptoms, and had an irreversible disease). The improvement appeared to be better than that described in other hospitalized cohorts.
PCR and culture results show reduced transmissibility
The viral load in the nasopharynx reduced rapidly as per qPCR, with 83% and 93% of patients having a negative swab by day seven and day eight, respectively. The number of contagious patients was two by ten days, and zero by day 12, but had declined markedly by day 6.
In over 97% of patients, respiratory swabs proved negative on culture by day 5. Only two cultures were still positive after day 5, one by day 8 and none by day 9.
Most patients stayed in hospital for five days on average before being discharged.
What can be inferred about the drug combination?
The researchers emphasize the need to treat the condition effectively to avoid progressive worsening of the lung symptoms, typically around the 10th day, which may end in acute respiratory distress syndrome, of poor prognosis, especially in older people.
The researchers point to the rapid symptomatic improvement, with the parallel reduction in viral DNA load, both by PCR and by culture, as evidence for the potential of these drugs to produce a favorable outcome.
The safety of these drugs is not in question, at the recommended doses, but ECG monitoring is recommended since hydroxychloroquine has occasionally been reported to cause heart block in patients with underlying heart conditions. Careful monitoring of high-risk patients by ECG and watching for possible drug interactions should be sufficient to avoid this complication.
The researchers are planning a larger trial in their institution to validate their early findings. They summarize, “We have provided evidence of a beneficial effect of co-administration of hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin in the treatment of COVID-19 and its potential effectiveness in the early reduction of contagiousness. Given the urgent therapeutic need, and the negligible cost of both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, we believe that there is an urgent need to evaluate this strategy further.”
- The NYU Grossman School of Medicine conducted a study that showed some positive news regarding a possible new treatment against COVID-19
- The study involved 900 COVID-19 patients, with half of them given zinc sulfate along with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin; the other half were given hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin only
- Those in the first group had a 1.5 times greater likelihood of recovering enough to be discharged from the hospital and 44 percent were less likely to die from the virus compared to the second group
- The said research has not yet been peer reviewed and needs to be further studied by other experts
Seems like Nature was loathe to even print this evidence, given the title "Hydroxychloroquine: small effects in mild disease"
But just wait.