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California mandated face masks weeks ago, was the first state to lock down and has some of the strictest lock down rules in the country. Yet California's infection rate is skyrocketing.
So what do you attribute the warp speed at which the virus is spreading in California?
socal2 says
#itsthetesting
Seriously?
When california locked down heavy volume indoor businesses were shuttered.
Remaining open businesses took recommended precautions, primarily social distancing and facemasks.
Infection rates leveled off but never went down due to ever increasing testing
When california opened up, obviously home gatherings without facemasks, and densely populated public places with partial facemasks restarted the upward trend.
But lack of mask wearing during the reopening amplified the increasing numbers
socal2 saysCalifornia mandated face masks weeks ago, was the first state to lock down and has some of the strictest lock down rules in the country. Yet California's infection rate is skyrocketing.
So what do you attribute the warp speed at which the virus is spreading in California?
There is zero proof that any mask under N95 slows the spread at all.
prodigy saysOne has to know someone with a specific disease to believe it is dangerous?
a disease? no. a pandemic? yeah by the definition of the word, most should know many sick and/or dying for it be a pandemic.
mell saysThere is zero proof that any mask under N95 slows the spread at all.
Especially outdoors.
It is extremely difficult to pass on Wuhan virus outdoors. The Chinese published a study of thousands of known transmission. Only one was outdoors, and that was two guys sitting next to each other and talking.
There is zero proof that any mask under N95 slows the spread at all. And it causes many issues due to bacterial infections and reduced oxygen intake
Especially outdoors.
It is extremely difficult to pass on Wuhan virus outdoors. The Chinese published a study of thousands of known transmission. Only one was outdoors, and that was two guys sitting next to each other and talking.
The answer is simple. Masks don't help much and increased testing uncovers many more positives
But the current consensus of droplet (only) is becoming more and more unlikely. It's either aerosol and/or touch or some other mechanism such as unfiltered sewage (vapors/particles) in addition to having a symptomatic person cough on you.
A billion or two chinese would tend to disagree with this statement.
These people have to wear masks or get shot.
How do you explain their ridiculously low infection rate given the population count?
Not something that one would want to hear, but living under communist rule during a pandemic may be the most effective way to eliminate it.
Freedom always extracts a price, this time from mother nature.
mell saysThe answer is simple. Masks don't help much and increased testing uncovers many more positives
So you are so freaked out that trump might lose that you would have 10's of thousands of people die prematurely due to no implementation of facemask wearing, enabling the virus to propogate at warp speed.
The issue is medical in nature, your response is political in nature.
but making everyone making a face mask accomplishes nothing, is highly ineffective and likely will cause worse health effects down the line.
A billion or two chinese would tend to disagree with this statement.
These people have to wear masks or get shot.
How do you explain their ridiculously low infection rate given the population count?
prodigy saysA billion or two chinese would tend to disagree with this statement.
These people have to wear masks or get shot.
How do you explain their ridiculously low infection rate given the population count?
Simple.
Commies who unleashed a worldwide plague due to their incompetence (or maliciousness?) lie.
Data used for each instance:
1- Fauci knew facemasks would help versus any orally transmitted virus, but at the time due to a shortage of N95 facemasks, the available ones needed to be directed to medical staff servicing virus patients. Thus he correctly recommended that the public should not wear facemasks so as to not have the medical staff infected to the point where there were not enough caregivers available for the truly sick.
So you are so freaked out that trump might lose that you would have 10's of thousands of people die prematurely due to no implementation of facemask wearing, enabling the virus to propogate at warp speed.
The issue is medical in nature, your response is political in nature.
When california opened up, obviously home gatherings without facemasks, and densely populated public places with partial facemasks restarted the upward trend.
But lack of mask wearing during the reopening amplified the increasing numbers
If it was due to commie incompetence, the chinese would still have the infection rates or worse that we have.
The Chinese don't know anything about it and apply any measure - effective or not.
prodigy saysIf it was due to commie incompetence, the chinese would still have the infection rates or worse that we have.
Again - you are still believing the Commies are telling you the truth about their infection rates.
They have every incentive in the world to fudge their numbers.
Deaths in California were pretty stable and even declining before California required mandatory masks on June 21 and started locking the state back down. Most people in California (other than BLM rioters) were wearing masks back in May.
Yet deaths are still increasing in California.
deaths are 2-3 weeks out from infection.
Again - you are still believing the Commies are telling you the truth about their infection rates.
And clearly we are not seeing a huge spike in deaths matching the huge increase in positive cases.
Just disputing that masks or lack thereof are the main reason for the 2nd wave we are seeing now
prodigy saysData used for each instance:
1- Fauci knew facemasks would help versus any orally transmitted virus, but at the time due to a shortage of N95 facemasks, the available ones needed to be directed to medical staff servicing virus patients. Thus he correctly recommended that the public should not wear facemasks so as to not have the medical staff infected to the point where there were not enough caregivers available for the truly sick.
Too many comments, so maybe someone addressed this already. 1,000% wrong. He's now saying cloth bandana type "masks" are okay. That would have never influenced the professional PPE masks and gear for docs and nurses. He was wrong. You know it too.
So what is?
California had flattened the curve during the lockdown.
What happened?
If danger is 0.04% of the population dying (150k out of 330M documented citizens), I'm afraid we disagree on the definition of dangerous.
Perhaps,
So what measure did they apply to virtually eliminate the virus from their country.
mell says
Besides fudging their numbers they also instituted brownshirt style house arrests - sure that will prevent the spread beyond families but also cause death and suffering in other ways. Probably also spraying disinfectant all over the city and houses, probably killing a lot of sars-cov-2 but substituting it with dire long term health effects for the whole population.
My definition is based on a universally accepted reference book of words and their meanings.
Your definition is based on a whim, a feeling, a guess, something, anything that backs your narrative.
The world is a dangerous place. If you are afraid you should definitely wear your mask and self isolate.
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