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TrueNorth
@xwill100
8h
Replying to @RWMaloneMD
Washington U in St Louis, the Cleveland Clinic, Rockefeller U, Emory U and just yesterday CSH, BMJ and Yale have studies that lead to the opposite conclusion. Recovery from Covid confers broader and more durable protection. The WHO post is misinformation.
Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.
“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”Absolutely, the natural, non-attenuated virus vaccine is a much more complete immunogen, resulting in a much broader immune response. And not just antibodies, but T cells, also. The inferior gene therapy is narrowly synthetic resulting in a narrow immune response easily thwarted by a few mutations.
Jenin Younes (Leftylockdownskeptic)
@Leftylockdowns1
Aug 14
People who are pushing the vaccine should understand the denial of natural immunity is a major contributing factor in vaccine hesitancy. The denial is so contrary to the science that it makes people suspicious there is a greater agenda at play.
4:48 PM · Aug 14, 2021
Paul D'Acri
@manraygun1
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1 @MartinKulldorff
More broadly, it's the one-size-fits-all vaccinate everybody payoff to Pharma with no regard for individual risk, age, obesity, etc.
SWLion
@swlion1371
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Well sure, that combined with 24×7 propaganda/censorship on a global scale. And mandates that if you don’t get jabbed, you will lose your job or your ability to travel, etc.
JoMama
@yojojomo
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Absolutely! And all of the hypocrisy. The open border, the parties, the photo ops, the deceptive data….None of it makes sense.
H Johnson
@Pyr0sa
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1 @MartinKulldorff
If they would simply spend a SMALL percentage of their budgets on accurate (and just as tacked/verifiable) antibodies tests (i.e., "verified already had it, natural immunity in effect), then they'd eliminate a HUGE amount of hesitancy & distrust. TINY spend, small messaging add.
M Norrid
@MNorrid
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Even more suspicious is the censoring of scientists and doctors who advise against it or promote alternative drug therapeutics. Apparently vaccines also make one immune to authoritarian tendencies.
Soulwellness Coach
@HarbordUrsula
Aug 15
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Hesitant because of its licenced for emergency use only and lack of safety data. If they were serious about saving lives they would be using Ivermectin
ALL the Things
@PhantomBreaking
Aug 15
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Exactly. If this were anything but a money grab, an antibody test card would be seen as equally valid as a vaccination card.
College Baseball 365
@Stu_Murray1
Aug 17
The Delta “scare”, in perspective.
UK’s Official VoC Report (Aug 6; Table 5)
147,612 Delta infections in unvaccinated people < age 50
48 deaths
99.97% survival, if infected at all
And we need to vax everyone w/ unproven jabs?
In Israel, vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity from prior COVID disease [95%CI:13-57, adjusted for time of vaccine/disease].
Update on my parents: Dad told me this morning he turned the corner on Covid. The only thing he has taken for Covid was Ivermectin, Tylenol and 1 IV (he was dehydrated). I just got off the phone with mom and she said she is feeling much better. All she has taken for Covid is HCQ, Mucinex and 1 IV. They are both 83 with many health issues. They are both VERY tired and LOW energy. I think they will have low energy for awhile yet.
The level of lying by the WHO is nothing short of criminal.
The WHO is the single greatest threat to public health on earth.
Monica Gandhi MD, MPH
@MonicaGandhi9
18h
Since this is largest study of re-infection (albeit with the 3 week Pfizer vax which probably has lowest antibodies) and shows that natural immunity confers strong protection from re-infection (& 1 dose helps), US at this point needs to consider immunity rather than vax passports
12:01 PM · Aug 26, 2021
US at this point needs to consider immunity rather than vax passports
Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? ...
In contrast to this collective data demonstrating both adequate and long-lasting protection in those who have recovered from COVID-19, the duration of vaccine-induced immunity is not fully known - but breakthrough infections in Israel, Iceland and in the US suggests a few months. Before CDC decided to stop collecting data on all breakthrough infections at the end of April, 2021, it reported >10,000 breakthrough infections (2 weeks after completion of vaccination) in the US, with a mortality of ~2% (6). Booster COVID vaccine recommendations have been already announced in Israel and in the US proving vaccine failure within 6 months.
How should we use the collective data to prioritize vaccination? These new data support simple and logical concepts. The goal of vaccination is to generate memory cells that can recognize SARS-CoV-2 and rapidly generate neutralizing antibodies that either prevent or mitigate both infection and transmission. Those who have survived COVID-19 must almost by definition have mounted an effective immune response; it is not surprising that the evolving literature shows that prior infection decreases vulnerability. In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.
09/14/21
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BIG PHARMA › VIEWS
Vaccinating People Who Have Had COVID-19: Why Doesn’t Natural Immunity Count in the U.S.?
The CDC estimates that SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 100 million Americans, and evidence is mounting that natural immunity is at least as protective as vaccination. Yet public health leadership says everyone needs the vaccine.
Some are criticizing Bolsonaro for not being vaccinated and for not locking Brazil down during the pandemic. The country, with over 200 million people, has not seen a single major lockdown since the start of the pandemic.
In a recent interview, he explained his decision.
“I said we have two problems we have to face: the virus, which can kill, and also unemployment, which can also kill,” said Bolsonaro.
He says Brazil is a rather poor country, and if people don’t go to work, they can’t eat.
According to Johns Hopkins, Brazil has one of the highest numbers of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people. But its neighbor Argentina has almost the same numbers—and Argentina has been under lockdowns ever since the pandemic started.
To deal with the dangers of COVID-19, Bolsonaro believes in early treatment for the virus.
“I have come to the conclusion, together with many doctors, that if used early, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin can help to prevent or cure COVID,” Bolsonaro said.
He added that his antibody levels remain high because he had the virus before, so he has no need to get the shot.
https://www.ntd.com/unvaccinated-brazilian-president-eats-pizza-on-nyc-sidewalk-defends-pandemic-decisions_679689.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.netSome are criticizing Bolsonaro for not being vaccinated and for not locking Brazil down during the pandemic. The country, with over 200 million people, has not seen a single major lockdown since the start of the pandemic.
In a recent interview, he explained his decision.
“I said we have two problems we have to face: the virus, which can kill, and also unemployment, which can also kill,” said Bolsonaro.
He says Brazil is a rather poor country, and if people don’t go to work, they can’t eat.
According to Joh...
What the hell took him and his Drs. so long to figure out they should start using HCQ and Ivermectin? Can we keep track of their Covid cases, deaths and hospitalizations now? Maybe they will have the same success as India?
Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified. ...
Further data supporting a role of ivermectin in decreasing transmission rates can be found from South American countries where, in retrospect, large “natural experiments” seem to have occurred. For instance, beginning as early as May, various regional health ministries and governmental authorities within Peru, Brazil, and Paraguay initiated “ivermectin distribution” campaigns to their citizen populations.48 In one such example from Brazil, the cities of Itajai, Macapa, and Natal distributed massive amounts of ivermectin doses to their city's population, where in the case of Natal, 1 million doses were distributed. The distribution campaign of Itajai began in mid-July, in Natal they began on June 30th, and in Macapa, the capital city of Amapa and others nearby, they incorporated ivermectin into their treatment protocols in late May after they were particularly hard hit in April. The data in Table Table11 were obtained from the official Brazilian government site and the national press consortium and show large decreases in case counts in the 3 cities soon after distribution began compared with their neighboring cities without such campaigns.
In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.
Patrick saysIn our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.
Let's have a Covid party where we can get infected naturally! Anyone know anyone that has it and wants to go out for a beer?
Matt Walsh
@MattWalshBlog
Sep 28
I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player? Is that why they should be compelled to inject something into their bodies?
3:38 AM · Sep 28, 2021
Let's have a Covid party where we can get infected naturally! Anyone know anyone that has it and wants to go out for a beer?
Matt Walsh:I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player?
Patrick saysMatt Walsh:I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player?
To be clear, the Israeli study that definitively showed the superiority of natural immunity to the vaccines also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.
That's bull since they just measure the antibodies
mell saysThat's bull since they just measure the antibodies
No, from the the Israeli study (see PDF page 14):
In model 3, we matched 14,029 persons. Baseline characteristics of the groups are presented in Table 1b. Examining previously infected individuals to those who were both previously infected and received a single dose of the vaccine, we found that the latter group had a significant 0.53-fold (95% CI, 0.3 to 0.92) (Table 4a) decreased risk for reinfection, as 20 had a positive RT-PCR test, compared to 37 in the previously infected and unvaccinated group.
I agree that we shouldn't be forcing folks who have natural immunity to get a jab, the fact of the matter is that it does accrue an additional benefit.
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The level of lying by the WHO is nothing short of criminal.
The WHO is the single greatest threat to public health on earth.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM
(Update, see below. Natural immunity is actually better than the jab by a factor of 27. https://patrick.net/post/1340683?0#comment-1777828 )