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ohomen171 saysMilitary professionals comment that Russians do a poor job of handling munitions that are stored.
Are these the same ones that determined the cause of the USS Iowa explosion ?
USS Iowa: First Came the Explosion, Then the Cover-Up
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/04/19/uss-iowa-first-came-explosion-then-cover.html?source=patrick.net
MOSCOW, April 14 - RIA Novosti. The missile cruiser "Moskva", which was damaged due to the detonation of ammunition, sank during towing, the Defense Ministry said.
"During the towing of the Moskva cruiser to the port of destination, due to damage to the hull received during the fire from the detonation of ammunition, the ship lost stability. In the conditions of stormy seas, the ship sank," the military department said.
Isn't the casualty count usually a pretty low % when the ship takes a while to sink like this one did?
The sinking of Russia's flagship might be a bad sign for the U.S. Navy
It's tempting for Americans to get smug about the sinking of the Moskva, the Russian Navy's flagship in the Black Sea. Whether it was destroyed by Ukrainians or — less plausibly — sunk because of a non-combat onboard explosion of ammunition, the result is both a humiliation and a setback for Vladimir Putin's war efforts. If you're cheering Ukraine's defenders, it's hard not to take some satisfaction in that.
But America's fleet might also be more vulnerable than you think.
The burning cruiser "Moskva" was deliberately scuttled.
The photographs published by Censor show that even after the missiles hit, the detonation of the ammunition load and the fire that broke out, the Moskva cruiser remained buoyant, although it received a significant roll to the port side.
However, judging by the external traces of the fire visible on the hull, it can be concluded that almost everything burned out from the inside.
Perhaps, as a result of the detonation of the ammunition, the internal partitions were deformed, some doors between the compartments jammed, and some could not prevent the spread of smoke. Jammed doors made it impossible to evacuate the surviving personnel, and the inability to isolate the premises with other doors led to the fact that many of the military personnel who were there simply suffocated in the combustion products.
Despite the fact that the ship remained buoyant, its towing to Sevastopol would have attracted the mass attention of the inhabitants, and it would not have been possible to avoid mass photography.
In addition, it would be necessary to extract hundreds of bodies of the dead crew members, send them for a forensic medical examination, and data on the number of dead would immediately seep into the information field. Hundreds of ambulances arriving at the port and departing in the direction of the city morgues could not be hidden, as well as mass funerals.
It would also have to officially investigate both the nature of the damage and declare the cause of their occurrence, as well as figure out why the vaunted anti-missile and air defense system of the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet turned out to be completely useless. What would have been revealed as a result of this investigation can now only be guessed at.
So the only "pragmatic" move of the Russian military command in this extremely unpleasant situation was to simply sink the ship as far from the coast as possible, hiding both the number of victims and the technical details of the disaster, and skirting responsibility.
Now that I have seen the pictures of the supposedly sunken ship and the actual ship that was scuttled.
I'm more convinced of my theory that Putin is holing back with antiquated outdated shit, to allow the Ukraine, via US through a NATO proxy, to think they have kicked Russia's ass.
There's no way in hell the ship in the press reports are the same fucking ship they say they sunk. The ship that was sunk had prosthetics to make it look like the new ship, but it was not.
I can tell you that after serving 4.5 years in the US Navy including time on a destroyer, when the crew abandons a ship, it is doomed. I went in-depth. The ship was in rough seas. The crew is in lifeboats and rafts. Rescue efforts for the crew are stymied by rough seas. There are unsubstantiated reports that the warship has capsized.
Ukraine claims that the ship was hit by 2-3 Neptune anti-ship missiles. The story is that the crew of the warship was distracted by a drone flying over the ocean. This has not been confirmed by reliable third-party sources.
There is a plausible alternative explanation of what happened to the ship. Military professionals comment that Russians do a poor job of handling munitions that are stored. Accidents are frequent with explosions and fires at warehouses, ammunition dumps, and ships magazines. This could have been one of these accidents.