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2022 Mar 8, 11:35am   79,784 views  535 comments

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https://slaynews.com/news/aaa-lists-10-most-expensive-states-for-gas-9-are-blue-states-in-bad-sign-for-joe-and-kamala/?source=patrick.net


AAA Lists Most Expensive States for Gas: 9 of Top 10 Are Run by Democrats
David Hawkins March 8, 2022

According to AAA here are the most expensive states for gas as of Monday:

The American Automobile Association (AAA) has listed the top-ten most expensive states to buy gas, nine of which are run by Democrats.

According to AAA, the national average for a gallon of gas is $4.06 and rising.

The average is now 45 cents more than a week ago, 62 cents more than a month ago, and $1.30 more than a year ago.

And it promises to get worse as the West debates banning Russian oil.

AAA has released a list of the ten states with the most expensive gas prices and most are blue states.

The only red state in the top ten is Alaska, which surprisingly comes in at number 6.

Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis at GasBuddy, said:

“There are few words to describe the unprecedented rise in gasoline prices over the last week, with massive spikes coast to coast in both gasoline and diesel prices, as oil prices jump to their highest since 2008. ...

California: $5.34
Hawaii: $4.69
Nevada: $4.59
Oregon: $4.51
Washington: $4.44
Alaska: $4.39
Illinois: $4.30
Connecticut: $4.28
New York: $4.26
Pennsylvania: $4.23




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235   Patrick   2022 Jun 7, 3:36pm  




I still have some reservations about Trump though, in particular his chumminess with the Saudis who attacked America on 9/11, and his pushing the dangerous and ineffective vaxx.
236   Patrick   2022 Jun 7, 4:35pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/remember-when-the-democratic-congressional-campaign-committee-thanked-biden-for-lowering-gas-prices-3-cents-good-times

Remember when the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee thanked Biden for lowering gas prices 2 cents? Good times.
237   WookieMan   2022 Jun 7, 8:29pm  

DooDahMan says

krc says


And the article is quite old


December of 2021 is not really an old article -basically a recap of the year.

You think Biden is doing a good job for the country? Yes or no?

And no explanations. Just say yes or no.
238   Blue   2022 Jun 7, 10:03pm  

At least Costco sell lower than many places. I got it today for a little over $6 in Santa Clara. Heard over radio that Costco membership fees could increase soon (inflation!).
https://www.aei.org/profile/desmond-lachman/ came in today's Mo Ansari show https://kdow.biz/radioshow/market-wrap and claims the recession is inevitable that could control the inflation.
239   WookieMan   2022 Jun 8, 6:17am  

I've seen the comments but make it a rule not to moderate anything involving me. So I'll let Patrick or someone else handle it. If they are approved all I'll say is being purposely obtuse is not a good way to conversation. What my wife makes is pertinent because it's reliant on oil. WE do good with high oil prices.

I'm showing my bias in the conversation so when I say something people know I stand to benefit from high oil. High oil is awful for most of the population, so I'm sympathetic to the people it hurts the most. There are people here with more wealth than I have, so it's not a brag. I'd look like a dick if I was happy for high oil, so trying to be cordial to other users here that might be in a tight spot because of this BS. Basically being a nice guy... imagine that on the internet.

You've never said who you voted for and I don't care. But coming to the defense of this admin on multiple threads and comments is telling. Biden has executive power to influence the oil industry. That's indisputable. Consumption is lower with WFH. More electric cars. Supply chain shortages so less shipping via truck/train. Idle ships outside of ports. China has shut down massive cities for days and weeks because of covid. Supply and demand. Oil prices are just being made up right now so you know.

You have a few major oil producers and with a weak admin, we're stuck with fucking insane oil prices. OPEC does what it wants, so now our domestic production figures it can do what it wants because we have a senile leader. That's the crux of this. Backroom deals and no leadership to squash it. Europe is helpless to it. China needs it, but they have Russian relations. We have the domestic capabilities, but Biden SHUT them down when he came into office. So don't say he can't do anything. He did. 1-2' of a pipeline is a barrel of oil that's pressurized and can be moved 100's or 1,000s of miles quickly.

Biden is destroying the country as we type these comments. And trust me, I equally dislike both sides. We wouldn't have issues if Trump just axed Fauci, let Covid run rampant as a minor cold and not shut everything down. It's a cold and we have a large senior demographic. It's okay to be independent. I am.
240   WookieMan   2022 Jun 8, 10:28am  

WookieMan says

You think Biden is doing a good job for the country? Yes or no?

This was the question. You didn't answer.

I asked a question and you didn't answer. Not sure how/why you're trying to make me a bad guy and coming at me with attitude. You know you didn't answer a basic question or didn't want to. That's not on me. I'm not losing sleep over it.

DooDahMan says

It does not matter what political party or who is sitting in the White House - there is extremely little they can do to get the gas prices back down.

Totally false. What changed in two years besides less oil consumption? So oil companies raised prices because demand was through the roof? Hell no. They're raising prices because we have incompetent leadership. Biden and his family are shit and likely getting kickbacks. I'll take Obama for another 2 terms. I wasn't born, but we've seen this story before with weak leadership and Carter. I worry it's worse this time. I don't think WWIII is out of the realm of possibility at this point. The White House is doing dick for this country and Congress is working to get reelected and not caring about a damn thing.
242   B.A.C.A.H.   2022 Jun 8, 11:47am  

However Biden is performing, things will be worse under Kamala.

Because enemies of the US will test her at every opportunity.

Like Khrushchev tested Kennedy.
243   Bd6r   2022 Jun 8, 12:00pm  

DooDahMan says

or they could

Nationalize the Oil Companies

and make them into post office-like entities.
244   WookieMan   2022 Jun 8, 12:16pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says

However Biden is performing, things will be worse under Kamala.

Because enemies of the US will test her at every opportunity.

Like Khrushchev tested Kennedy.

This is true. Worse under Pelosi if it got to that level. We're the weakest as a country that I can recall in my short lifetime. Covid didn't help, but I think there's a reason for that....
245   Patrick   2022 Jun 8, 10:21pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/price-of-gasoline-too-high-buy-an


assessing the claim that EV's will save working people money or save the environment...

even leaving aside their limited availability, limited range, and the fact that of 10% of us bought one, it would completely, utterly crash the entire american power grid, the question of whether this is economically attractive does not appear to pencil out in the manner described. ...

as can be readily seen, the EV buyer is starting each month roughly $650 in the hole vs a honda buyer. this is not ground that can be made up in any sort of reasonable driving pattern.
246   WookieMan   2022 Jun 9, 4:39am  

Patrick says

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/price-of-gasoline-too-high-buy-an



assessing the claim that EV's will save working people money or save the environment...

even leaving aside their limited availability, limited range, and the fact that of 10% of us bought one, it would completely, utterly crash the entire american power grid, the question of whether this is economically attractive does not appear to pencil out in the manner described. ...

as can be readily seen, the EV buyer is starting each month roughly $650 in the hole vs a honda buyer. this is not ground that can be made up in any sort of reasonable driving pattern.


EV's are not the future. Hybrid with an all electric range 90-100 miles and then switch over to the ICE. So electric would cover your standard commuting range, but you can still do a quick fuel stop and not have to wait for chargers on a longer trip or the act of charging.

My mom got the RAV-4 hybrid and is loving it. She estimates maybe 4 fill ups a year now and she lives 45 miles from myself and sister one way. Also has more room than her old Prius and gets better mileage for her use than the Prius she had.

My biggest beef is no one can make a large hybrid SUV that I've seen that's worth it. Like a Sequoia, Armada, Tahoe, etc. With 3 kids and needing to tow, we have to have the SUV and hell will freeze over before I buy a minivan as a straight male. Fortunately I don't drive that much. A busy week is one fill up. Sometimes I can go two weeks when there's a break in kids activities. Prices would have to get to $12-15/gallon for it to start to hurt the pocket book and we cut back on stuff or I get a smaller car.
247   B.A.C.A.H.   2022 Jun 9, 7:00am  

WookieMan says

EV's are not the future. Hybrid with an all electric range 90-100 miles and then switch over to the ICE. So electric would cover your standard commuting range, but you can still do a quick fuel stop and not have to wait for chargers on a longer trip or the act of charging.

Yes.

Many households have more than one vehicle.

This is the sensible approach that haters on both sides ignore, hating on all-or-nothing arguments.

Overall the huge amount of miles driven and energy used are for the local trips. Providing the electric grid infrastructure can support charging many more cars overnight in peoples' garages/driveways, the sort of approach you suggest will go a long way towards addressing some problems.
248   RWSGFY   2022 Jun 9, 8:45am  

I also heard that Teslas are atrociously expensive to insure. True? False?
249   Eric Holder   2022 Jun 9, 1:39pm  

WookieMan says

My biggest beef is no one can make a large hybrid SUV that I've seen that's worth it. Like a Sequoia, Armada, Tahoe, etc


Tahoes have been available in hybrid form for many years now. Sequoia is hybrid-only starting 2023 MY.
250   clambo   2022 Jun 9, 8:24pm  

I just read it’s 2 pounds per liter in England, that’s $9.46 per US gallon.
251   AD   2022 Jun 9, 10:04pm  

North American Rig Count is about 20% below early 2020 levels. I read that a lot of drillers do not want to add to production because of future risks with Democrat energy policies. That is why Biden is asking OPEC to increase production. I don't trust the Saudis promise that they will increase production by 50%. The Saudis know they have leverage given Biden's energy policies.
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252   Patrick   2022 Jun 10, 1:22pm  

https://conservativebrief.com/results-are-63664/


Results Are In: Most Americans Believe Biden Intentionally Keeping Gas Prices High
Photo of Jon Dougherty Jon DoughertyJune 10, 2022

More than half — 53% — of voters say they believe the Biden administration is intentionally letting gas prices increase to make Americans use fewer fossil fuels, according to a new poll by the Convention of States Action and The Trafalgar Group.
256   Patrick   2022 Jun 12, 10:16am  

https://nitter.net/ezralevant/status/1535698088802779136#m


@ezralevant
22h
Just paid $155 for a tank of gas in Toronto. $2.15/liter. In the country with the world’s third largest oil reserves. But Trudeau won’t allow any pipelines to be built; and he raises his carbon tax every year so the little people “make better choices”. Like not driving.


Amazing how the leftists are all in lock-step, as if someone were giving them orders from above...
258   Patrick   2022 Jun 13, 10:37am  

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/gas-prices-are-the-new-covid/


A brief recap of Biden’s oil and gastastrophe: in January 2021, during his first days in office, the president revoked the Keystone Pipeline permit and issued an executive order that, in his own typically eloquent words, directed the “Secretary of the Interior to stop issuing new oil and gas leases on public lands and offsh- — and offshore waters, wherever possible. We’re going to review and reset the oil and gas leasing program.” ...

Airline tickets are up 25 percent. The price of jet fuel is climbing higher and faster than Tom Cruise in Top Gun. This also means freight costs are through the roof and will be passed onto the consumer. “The rising cost of fuel, especially diesel, means that anything transported on a truck, train or ship is affected,” reports CNBC. In its quarterly update released in May, Amazon noted this eye-watering statistic:

The cost to ship an overseas container has more than doubled compared to pre-pandemic rates, and the cost of fuel is approximately one and a half times higher than it was even a year ago.

Social isolation? Check. Disrupted supply chain? Check. Crime spike? It’s coming: a Michigan police department announced it had exhausted its fuel funds and would be picking and choosing which calls to respond to in-person or over the phone. Patrolling will likely come to an end, too. A mobile healthcare provider in Fort Worth, Texas, told ABC how rising prices are “adversely affecting” emergency medical services (EMS), adding, “For rural EMS agencies that travel great distances, and have more challenging finances, the impact could be even greater.”
262   richwicks   2022 Jun 16, 12:41am  

Want to think of something ironic about the Simpsons?

Lisa was supposed to be "the rebel", and "smart".

She's the stupidest conformist in the show. She's the most stereotypical liberal there can be. She's a vegetarian, she's a Buddhist, global warming is a fact to her, studying in school is essential although she knows what she's being taught is nonsense, she parrots every single liberal talking point possible, she believes in "green energy" as a solution, CO2 is killing the Earth.

The smartest character in the show is, believe it or not, Bart. He recognizes it's all bullshit, he mocks authority, he realizes school is a waste of time and when he was homeschooled in one episode excelled, he doesn't believe in ANY narrative, and he mocks Lisa for her beliefs regularly and quite effectively. He is even an atheist having sold his soul in one episode, where circumstances led him to doubt this sale.

Almost nobody recognizes that their roles are reversed.
263   zzyzzx   2022 Jun 16, 7:05am  

Gas down 5 cents from last time I looked. Now only $4.949/gallon!
264   RC2006   2022 Jun 16, 1:08pm  

First time ever my car was over a 100$ to fill the tank. #letsgobrandon
267   B.A.C.A.H.   2022 Jun 17, 5:02pm  

My partner and I drove from SJ to Capitola (near Santa Cruz) for lunch today in a Subaru Legacy. It's a comfy AWD Sedan, not a dinky economy car.

The round trip was 95 miles. According to the fuel estimate display, averaged 31 mpg. It means, about three gallons, at $6.00 per gallon (price I paid at Moe's in SJ yesterday) the round trip was about $18, or $9 per person.

For comparison the round trip on the excellent Santa Cruz County public transit bus, "Highway 17 Express", direct, nonstop between downtown Santa Cruz and downtown San Jose, is $7 per passenger ($14 round trip, per passenger). Then you'd have to figure out the last few miles on either end. Leisurely door-to-door drive in air conditioned comfort with stereo sound was $9 per passenger.

This is why I say, gasoline even at today's prices is a fabulous bargain. Sorry I don't like the high prices either, but it's still incredibly cheap transportation.
269   Onvacation   2022 Jun 18, 8:09am  

RC2006 says

First time ever my car was over a 100$ to fill the tank. #letsgobrandon

I figured out a way to keep it under $100. Fill up when you are half empty. Last time it only took $61 to fill up.
270   NDrLoR   2022 Jun 18, 8:51am  

Onvacation says

Fill up when you are half empty
That's what I always do anyway. Fill up on Thursday after I've bought my chicken thigh from Krispy Chicken at 23rd & Franklin. Just drive into the Alon station around the corner from my house, never used more than half a tank in a week. Stand behind several well-off people spending money they can spare on scratch offs before I can pay.
271   Patrick   2022 Jun 18, 11:10am  


rwmalonemd
@rwmalonemd
·
22h
No one is addressing the 800# gorilla in the room. Blackrock/Larry Fink has decided that petro has to go, and so the entire industry is being starved for capital via the ESG score (ergo social credit system) ranking process.

Biden is just acting as Fink's handmaden, doing his bidding. Fink is the puppetmaster here.
274   Patrick   2022 Jun 18, 4:24pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-the-allegory-truth




And doesn't anyone in the White House understand basic economics? If you want to lower the price on something, increase the supply and not the demand.

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