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Eman
2022 Nov 26, 11:46pm
Eman
2022 Nov 26, 11:46pm
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I used to study these housing charts and data. That was all I saw in my sleep. I was able to recognize 2009 was the bottom of the housing market and started buying. Then I decided to quit my W2 in late 2009 to focus on real estate investing full-time. Everyone thought I was crazy. I documented my journey in the early years here along with iwog. Once I switched to buying apartments in 2013, I started to share this journey on Biggerpockets.
Looking back, it’s like hitting stock options from a start-up company. Can’t make this kind of money working my W2 engineering job for the rest of my life. I’ll have residual income for life….like collecting dividends without paying taxes. Work hard for a few years and then sit back and enjoy the fruit of our labor for decades to come. What a great deal. This reminds me of what Gary Keller, co-founder of Keller Williams said “Anyone can do it, but not everyone will…will you? The journey was foggy at the beginning, but it’s crystal clear once you’re on the other side looking back.
I’ve been able to pay it forward and have helped a few individuals become successful in real estate investing. One individual, who has become wildly successful, calls himself King Khang. Go to YouTube and type in Wholesale to Millions. He has close to 500k subscribers on YouTube and over 3M subscribers on TikTok. A HS dropout who now makes $4M/year. Others are also doing well, but they’re not on social media like him. It’s rewarding to see.
Eman says
Housing was on fire sale in late 2000’s and early 2010’s.
Look at the rate of increase for housing prices since the late 1990s. Yes, California has a lot of foreign buyers, as well as Miami Beach.
.
I used to study these housing charts and data. That was all I saw in my sleep. I was able to recognize 2009 was the bottom of the housing market and started buying. Then I decided to quit my W2 in late 2009 to focus on real estate investing full-time. Everyone thought I was crazy. I documented my journey in the early years here along with iwog. Once I switched to buying apartments in 2013, I started to share this journey on Biggerpockets.
Looking back, it’s like hitting stock options from a start-up company. Can’t make this kind of money working my W2 engineering job for the rest of my life. I’ll have residual income for life….like collecting dividends without paying taxes. Work hard for a few years and then sit back and enjoy the fruit of our labor for decades to come. What a great deal. This reminds me of what Gary Keller, co-founder of Keller Williams said “Anyone can do it, but not everyone will…will you? The journey was foggy at the beginning, but it’s crystal clear once you’re on the other side looking back.
I’ve been able to pay it forward and have helped a few individuals become successful in real estate investing. One individual, who has become wildly successful, calls himself King Khang. Go to YouTube and type in Wholesale to Millions. He has close to 500k subscribers on YouTube and over 3M subscribers on TikTok. A HS dropout who now makes $4M/year. Others are also doing well, but they’re not on social media like him. It’s rewarding to see.
1408
gabbar
2022 Nov 27, 2:26am
gabbar
2022 Nov 27, 2:26am
How Shady Real Estate Agents Cheat
KATE SWANSON AUG 24, 2022
Kate Swanson has been a property investor for the last 20 years and has moved houses (and continents) several times herself in that time.
There are plenty of good, honest real estate agents. But every industry has its share of shonky practitioners.
Mostly Good, Some Bad
I've had many complaints from realtors about this article! They claim that all realtors are Honest Johns and have their customers' best interests at heart.
Let me make this clear: this is not an attack on the real estate industry.
There are plenty of good, honest real estate agents. But every industry has its share of shonky practitioners—unfortunately, that's just human nature. Take any large group of people, and you'll find a percentage who are prepared to twist the rules to their own advantage. And as we all know, the most fresh-faced, charming people can also be the most crooked, so we can't assume the nice ones are really the nice ones!
For most people, their home is the single biggest investment they'll ever make in their lives, so it's worth being aware of the tricks the unprincipled can get up to.
Realtors can make more money selling several houses cheap, than one house at the best price.
Why Shady Realtors Want to Sell Cheap
At the root of the problem is one huge misconception: that you and the realtor have the same goal in mind, which is to sell your property for the maximum price possible. That's simply not true. You want to sell at the highest possible price. The realtor just wants to sell.
You may be wondering, why on earth would a realtor not want the best price? After all, their commission is based on the selling price, so the higher the price, the more their commission.
The answer is simple: speed. If they hold out for the highest price the market can bear, that means more advertisements and more inspections. True, they will get less commission if the price is lower, but they will also have spent much less time and will be able to move on to the next house much faster.
They can sell six under-priced houses in the same time it takes to sell three full-priced houses, and the result will be more commission!
Of course, legally, the realtor has to agree on a figure with you and stick to it: they can't sell the property if you don't agree with the price. But the shady realtor has ways they can work on you, the seller, to persuade you to accept a lower price in the end.
How a Shady Realtor Reduces Your Sell Price
When the realtor comes to see your house, they point out all the good features of your property and names an impressive price.
Once you've signed up, the agent starts showing possible buyers through your home. After every inspection, they call to tell you how it went. To your surprise, they tell you they're disappointed to be getting negative feedback (which, strangely, they either never mentioned—or dismissed as unimportant—on their first visit!).
The first week, they may say some buyers didn't like the décor and would have to repaint the whole house. The second week, they'll mention buyers who felt the kitchen would need replacing. The third week, it might be a worn carpet or a damaged piece of guttering. Alternatively, they might claim they're getting constant comments on one single major flaw, such as the lack of sunlight in the living room or the deck that needs replacing.
They may also say buyers have said what they might pay, e.g., "I'm getting some interest in the low three hundreds", which means people have said they might pay $300,000 to $350,000 for the house. Whatever the range is, it's always substantially under the figure they first quoted. If you express concern, they'll say, "well, you have to bear in mind, they didn't like . . . "(whatever the latest flaw was).
You may have guessed by now that the buyers probably said nothing of the sort, or if they did, it was a casual comment. They're making it up to create doubt in your mind, to undermine your confidence in that impressive price they originally quoted. Week by week, they drip-feed you negative feedback on the property, aiming to lower your expectations. Meanwhile, they're also working on the buyers . . .
Keep an eye out for agents who have a less than ideal moral compass.
"Hooking" the Buyer
It's illegal to quote a price the seller hasn't agreed to—but if the agent is having a private conversation with a potential buyer, and there are no witnesses, it's the agent's word against theirs—so you can't prove anything, and will probably never know anyway.
If your property is for sale at a fixed price, during the inspections, the realtor will be telling buyers you're "very negotiable" (whether you are or not). If your property is up for auction, the agent will be privately naming a price range that's well below what you're hoping to get.
I've caught more than one agent doing this because I love viewing property, so when an acquaintance puts a house up for sale, I just have to go and look. Once, it was an apartment selling for $380,000. I got talking to the agent, and he told me, "If you're interested, I'm sure they'd take an offer of $340,000".
The next time I met my friend, I asked them how it was going. "Not good," she said glumly. "The agent is telling me they're only getting interest in the low $300s. He originally told us we'd easily get over $375,000, so we're really disappointed."
Of course, he's only getting interest in the low $300s if that's what he's telling buyers it's worth!
If you catch your agent out doing this, they'll tell you, "we quote a low price to hook the buyers' interest, then we can negotiate them up from there". I don't know why anyone ever believes this!
Did this house sell for the price promised?
Clinching the Deal
Eventually, you will get an offer for the house, or auction day will arrive, and someone will bid.
Thanks to the agent, it's quite likely the offer or bid will be lower than you expect. When they present it to you, you're quite likely to say so, to which the agent will reply, "oh yes, but do bear in mind that buyers have all been put off by the lack of sunlight (or whatever the problem was)". They'll tell you how you can never be sure what a property is worth upfront, but now it's been "tested in the marketplace".
This is all utter tosh. The property hasn't been "tested in the marketplace" at its true value because the agent has been telling everyone it's worth less than it really is!
I experienced exactly these techniques when I sold my home following my divorce. Years later, I read an exposé of real estate training and dirty tricks written by Neil Jenman, who has founded a group of real estate agents committed to ethical selling practices. I thoroughly recommend his books to anyone buying or selling property. The book that helped me most was Real Estate Mistakes (both Kindle and paperback versions are available). The book was written about the Australian real estate market, but it is equally applicable in the USA. I would recommend anyone buying or selling a property buy it.
I've had several comments from realtors saying, "I'm sorry you had a bad experience", and assuring me how wonderful most real estate agents are. So I should clarify that this article isn't based on one bad experience. Since reading Jenman's books, I've bought and sold several properties, and I have come across those same techniques again and again. Luckily because of my awareness, I've been able to turn them to my advantage, especially when buying. Others are not so lucky.
I do not deny there are good real estate agents out there. But if you embark on selling your home imagining that all agents are angels, you're an idiot!
This article is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge. Content is for informational or entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for personal counsel or professional advice in business, financial, legal, or technical matters.
© 2008 Kate Swanson
https://toughnickel.com/scams-fraud/Realtors-Cheat-Sellers
KATE SWANSON AUG 24, 2022
Kate Swanson has been a property investor for the last 20 years and has moved houses (and continents) several times herself in that time.
There are plenty of good, honest real estate agents. But every industry has its share of shonky practitioners.
Mostly Good, Some Bad
I've had many complaints from realtors about this article! They claim that all realtors are Honest Johns and have their customers' best interests at heart.
Let me make this clear: this is not an attack on the real estate industry.
There are plenty of good, honest real estate agents. But every industry has its share of shonky practitioners—unfortunately, that's just human nature. Take any large group of people, and you'll find a percentage who are prepared to twist the rules to their own advantage. And as we all know, the most fresh-faced, charming people can also be the most crooked, so we can't assume the nice ones are really the nice ones!
For most people, their home is the single biggest investment they'll ever make in their lives, so it's worth being aware of the tricks the unprincipled can get up to.
Realtors can make more money selling several houses cheap, than one house at the best price.
Why Shady Realtors Want to Sell Cheap
At the root of the problem is one huge misconception: that you and the realtor have the same goal in mind, which is to sell your property for the maximum price possible. That's simply not true. You want to sell at the highest possible price. The realtor just wants to sell.
You may be wondering, why on earth would a realtor not want the best price? After all, their commission is based on the selling price, so the higher the price, the more their commission.
The answer is simple: speed. If they hold out for the highest price the market can bear, that means more advertisements and more inspections. True, they will get less commission if the price is lower, but they will also have spent much less time and will be able to move on to the next house much faster.
They can sell six under-priced houses in the same time it takes to sell three full-priced houses, and the result will be more commission!
Of course, legally, the realtor has to agree on a figure with you and stick to it: they can't sell the property if you don't agree with the price. But the shady realtor has ways they can work on you, the seller, to persuade you to accept a lower price in the end.
How a Shady Realtor Reduces Your Sell Price
When the realtor comes to see your house, they point out all the good features of your property and names an impressive price.
Once you've signed up, the agent starts showing possible buyers through your home. After every inspection, they call to tell you how it went. To your surprise, they tell you they're disappointed to be getting negative feedback (which, strangely, they either never mentioned—or dismissed as unimportant—on their first visit!).
The first week, they may say some buyers didn't like the décor and would have to repaint the whole house. The second week, they'll mention buyers who felt the kitchen would need replacing. The third week, it might be a worn carpet or a damaged piece of guttering. Alternatively, they might claim they're getting constant comments on one single major flaw, such as the lack of sunlight in the living room or the deck that needs replacing.
They may also say buyers have said what they might pay, e.g., "I'm getting some interest in the low three hundreds", which means people have said they might pay $300,000 to $350,000 for the house. Whatever the range is, it's always substantially under the figure they first quoted. If you express concern, they'll say, "well, you have to bear in mind, they didn't like . . . "(whatever the latest flaw was).
You may have guessed by now that the buyers probably said nothing of the sort, or if they did, it was a casual comment. They're making it up to create doubt in your mind, to undermine your confidence in that impressive price they originally quoted. Week by week, they drip-feed you negative feedback on the property, aiming to lower your expectations. Meanwhile, they're also working on the buyers . . .
Keep an eye out for agents who have a less than ideal moral compass.
"Hooking" the Buyer
It's illegal to quote a price the seller hasn't agreed to—but if the agent is having a private conversation with a potential buyer, and there are no witnesses, it's the agent's word against theirs—so you can't prove anything, and will probably never know anyway.
If your property is for sale at a fixed price, during the inspections, the realtor will be telling buyers you're "very negotiable" (whether you are or not). If your property is up for auction, the agent will be privately naming a price range that's well below what you're hoping to get.
I've caught more than one agent doing this because I love viewing property, so when an acquaintance puts a house up for sale, I just have to go and look. Once, it was an apartment selling for $380,000. I got talking to the agent, and he told me, "If you're interested, I'm sure they'd take an offer of $340,000".
The next time I met my friend, I asked them how it was going. "Not good," she said glumly. "The agent is telling me they're only getting interest in the low $300s. He originally told us we'd easily get over $375,000, so we're really disappointed."
Of course, he's only getting interest in the low $300s if that's what he's telling buyers it's worth!
If you catch your agent out doing this, they'll tell you, "we quote a low price to hook the buyers' interest, then we can negotiate them up from there". I don't know why anyone ever believes this!
Did this house sell for the price promised?
Clinching the Deal
Eventually, you will get an offer for the house, or auction day will arrive, and someone will bid.
Thanks to the agent, it's quite likely the offer or bid will be lower than you expect. When they present it to you, you're quite likely to say so, to which the agent will reply, "oh yes, but do bear in mind that buyers have all been put off by the lack of sunlight (or whatever the problem was)". They'll tell you how you can never be sure what a property is worth upfront, but now it's been "tested in the marketplace".
This is all utter tosh. The property hasn't been "tested in the marketplace" at its true value because the agent has been telling everyone it's worth less than it really is!
I experienced exactly these techniques when I sold my home following my divorce. Years later, I read an exposé of real estate training and dirty tricks written by Neil Jenman, who has founded a group of real estate agents committed to ethical selling practices. I thoroughly recommend his books to anyone buying or selling property. The book that helped me most was Real Estate Mistakes (both Kindle and paperback versions are available). The book was written about the Australian real estate market, but it is equally applicable in the USA. I would recommend anyone buying or selling a property buy it.
I've had several comments from realtors saying, "I'm sorry you had a bad experience", and assuring me how wonderful most real estate agents are. So I should clarify that this article isn't based on one bad experience. Since reading Jenman's books, I've bought and sold several properties, and I have come across those same techniques again and again. Luckily because of my awareness, I've been able to turn them to my advantage, especially when buying. Others are not so lucky.
I do not deny there are good real estate agents out there. But if you embark on selling your home imagining that all agents are angels, you're an idiot!
This article is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge. Content is for informational or entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for personal counsel or professional advice in business, financial, legal, or technical matters.
© 2008 Kate Swanson
https://toughnickel.com/scams-fraud/Realtors-Cheat-Sellers
1409
gabbar
2022 Nov 27, 2:38am
gabbar
2022 Nov 27, 2:38am
https://setexasrecord.com/stories/510611498-couple-sues-agent-over-real-estate-deal-gone-bad
A Beaumont couple has filed suit against their real estate agent, his wife and two other corporations, alleging the agent moved into the couple's home but failed to pay for it.
Todd and Dawn Senters claim they entered into a listing agreement with agent Christopher Magliochetti on April 27, 2007, to sell their home at 14403 Red Tailed Hawn Lane in Houston.
According to the complaint filed Aug. 21 in Jefferson County District Court, the Senters were asking $190,500 for the house, but amended the listing to $185,000 on July 26, 2007, after Magliochetti and his wife Kimber signed a contract to purchase the home themselves.
The Magliochettis were supposed to make an earnest money deposit of $1,000, but the Senters claim they never received the money from defendant First American Title Co. Later, they discovered that the Magliochettis had never paid the earnest money deposit, according to the complaint.
In addition, closing papers were signed, but the Senters never received any money for the sale of their house, the complaint says.
"Although no funds were ever received by the Plaintiffs, the Defendants, Christopher and Kimber Magliochetti, were furnished keys to the residence by Defendants, First American Title Company and/or Re by the Bay, and had already moved their possessions into the Plaintiffs' home," the suit states.
The Senters claim they granted the Magliochettis a residential lease that allowed them to remain in the Senters' home until they could pay for it.
After a few months, the Senters and the Magliochettis entered into a second contract to purchase the home, but, again, the funds did not come through, according to the complaint.
"When a third contract was executed and still no funds were received, the Magliochettis finally moved out in April, 2009, two years from the date of the original listing," the suit states.
The Senters are seeking treble and discretionary damages, plus attorneys' fees, costs and other relief the court deems just.
They will be represented by Brandon P. Monk of The Monk Law Firm in Port Arthur.
The case has been assigned to Judge Milton Shuffield, 136th District Court.
Jefferson County District Court case number: D184-758.
A Beaumont couple has filed suit against their real estate agent, his wife and two other corporations, alleging the agent moved into the couple's home but failed to pay for it.
Todd and Dawn Senters claim they entered into a listing agreement with agent Christopher Magliochetti on April 27, 2007, to sell their home at 14403 Red Tailed Hawn Lane in Houston.
According to the complaint filed Aug. 21 in Jefferson County District Court, the Senters were asking $190,500 for the house, but amended the listing to $185,000 on July 26, 2007, after Magliochetti and his wife Kimber signed a contract to purchase the home themselves.
The Magliochettis were supposed to make an earnest money deposit of $1,000, but the Senters claim they never received the money from defendant First American Title Co. Later, they discovered that the Magliochettis had never paid the earnest money deposit, according to the complaint.
In addition, closing papers were signed, but the Senters never received any money for the sale of their house, the complaint says.
"Although no funds were ever received by the Plaintiffs, the Defendants, Christopher and Kimber Magliochetti, were furnished keys to the residence by Defendants, First American Title Company and/or Re by the Bay, and had already moved their possessions into the Plaintiffs' home," the suit states.
The Senters claim they granted the Magliochettis a residential lease that allowed them to remain in the Senters' home until they could pay for it.
After a few months, the Senters and the Magliochettis entered into a second contract to purchase the home, but, again, the funds did not come through, according to the complaint.
"When a third contract was executed and still no funds were received, the Magliochettis finally moved out in April, 2009, two years from the date of the original listing," the suit states.
The Senters are seeking treble and discretionary damages, plus attorneys' fees, costs and other relief the court deems just.
They will be represented by Brandon P. Monk of The Monk Law Firm in Port Arthur.
The case has been assigned to Judge Milton Shuffield, 136th District Court.
Jefferson County District Court case number: D184-758.
1410
Booger
2022 Nov 27, 4:15am
Booger
2022 Nov 27, 4:15am
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/quick-enter-market-institutional-investors-175939768.html
Quick To Enter the Market, Institutional Investors Now Shedding Single-Family Home Rentals
Quick To Enter the Market, Institutional Investors Now Shedding Single-Family Home Rentals
1411
porkchopXpress
2022 Nov 27, 5:07am
porkchopXpress
2022 Nov 27, 5:07am
Eman says
Kudos to you for taking the risk and striking at one of the best times in history. That's one of the many beauties of this country.
This is awesome, man. I'm inspired by your story. I've only ever had a W2 job and it's been the safest option for me as I've been the only one supporting both my wife and kids. Making that transition to my own biz just seemed scary but that's the risk-reward decision that needs to be made. I've been fortunate that I have a very high-paying career/job, but no doubt would I love to have a bunch of apartments making me more without working all the time. I tried convincing my wife to drive a real estate biz on the side since she doesn't work, but she has no interest.
ad says
Eman says
Housing was on fire sale in late 2000’s and early 2010’s.
Look at the rate of increase for housing prices since the late 1990s. Yes, California has a lot of foreign buyers, as well as Miami Beach.
.
I used to study these housing charts and data. That was all I saw in my sleep. I was able to recognize 2009 was the bottom of the housing market and started buying. Then I decided to quit my W2 in...
Kudos to you for taking the risk and striking at one of the best times in history. That's one of the many beauties of this country.
1412
zzyzzx
2022 Nov 28, 11:58am
zzyzzx
2022 Nov 28, 11:58am
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/28/home-prices-real-estate-housing
"Collapse" in home prices is coming, experts say
"Collapse" in home prices is coming, experts say
1413
Blue
2022 Nov 28, 12:33pm
zzyzzx says
We all know by now that experts are always wrong. I would like to see out of control crazy Biden inflation factored in the price predictions before it make sense.
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/28/home-prices-real-estate-housing
"Collapse" in home prices is coming, experts say
We all know by now that experts are always wrong. I would like to see out of control crazy Biden inflation factored in the price predictions before it make sense.
1414
gabbar
2022 Nov 28, 12:49pm
gabbar
2022 Nov 28, 12:49pm
Blue says
Collapse, if and when it occurs, will happen because it will be what they want. There will come a point when people will say f u to mortgage payments.
"Collapse" in home prices is coming, experts say
Collapse, if and when it occurs, will happen because it will be what they want. There will come a point when people will say f u to mortgage payments.
1415
AD
2022 Nov 28, 6:19pm
AD
2022 Nov 28, 6:19pm
gabbar says
That happened a lot in 2007 to 2012. A lot of owners stopped paying and refused to move out of the homes.
Collapse, if and when it occurs, will happen because it will be what they want. There will come a point when people will say f u to mortgage payments.
That happened a lot in 2007 to 2012. A lot of owners stopped paying and refused to move out of the homes.
1416
Eman
2022 Nov 28, 7:41pm
Eman
2022 Nov 28, 7:41pm
porkchopexpress says
Real estate is not for everyone. Find what your wife likes to do and have her pursue that. Then it’d be a hobby making money activity.
What I’ve learned is that, not taking risk is also making a bet. You don’t get to live your full potential. You have no safety net, your wife is not working, so it’s harder to take on risk.
I’ve always been a dreamer. I’ve been witnessing each dream came true at a time. It’s fulfilling. At this point, getting to a 9-figure net worth seems achievable and a 10-figure net worth is doable although we’re nowhere near there. It’s simply crazy to think about it for a guy who came to this country at the age of 16 without speaking the language. 😂
This is awesome, man. I'm inspired by your story. I've only ever ...
Real estate is not for everyone. Find what your wife likes to do and have her pursue that. Then it’d be a hobby making money activity.
What I’ve learned is that, not taking risk is also making a bet. You don’t get to live your full potential. You have no safety net, your wife is not working, so it’s harder to take on risk.
I’ve always been a dreamer. I’ve been witnessing each dream came true at a time. It’s fulfilling. At this point, getting to a 9-figure net worth seems achievable and a 10-figure net worth is doable although we’re nowhere near there. It’s simply crazy to think about it for a guy who came to this country at the age of 16 without speaking the language. 😂
1417
Eman
2022 Nov 28, 7:48pm
Eman
2022 Nov 28, 7:48pm
ad says
I don’t know about other markets, but it was a mistake to walk away from their homes in MY market, the SF Bay Area. I was buying condos at $150-$160k each. These were going for $400-$450k at the peak of the market. Now, they’re selling for $600-$650k each. Rents went from $1.2k/mo then to $2.4k-$2.7k/mo now.
The same with SFH where value dropped from $750-$800k to $450k, and now they’re worth $1.4-$1.5M. SFH in working class neighborhoods dropped from $650k to $250k. Now, they’re going for $800-$850k. each.
4plexes dropped from $1.2-$1.25M to $800-$825k. They’re now $1.9-$2M each. 🤯
We’re all making bets. Some are more lucky than others. Not making bet is also making a bet. 😅
gabbar says
Collapse, if and when it occurs, will happen because it will be what they want. There will come a point when people will say f u to mortgage payments.
That happened a lot in 2007 to 2012. A lot of owners stopped paying and refused to move out of the homes.
I don’t know about other markets, but it was a mistake to walk away from their homes in MY market, the SF Bay Area. I was buying condos at $150-$160k each. These were going for $400-$450k at the peak of the market. Now, they’re selling for $600-$650k each. Rents went from $1.2k/mo then to $2.4k-$2.7k/mo now.
The same with SFH where value dropped from $750-$800k to $450k, and now they’re worth $1.4-$1.5M. SFH in working class neighborhoods dropped from $650k to $250k. Now, they’re going for $800-$850k. each.
4plexes dropped from $1.2-$1.25M to $800-$825k. They’re now $1.9-$2M each. 🤯
We’re all making bets. Some are more lucky than others. Not making bet is also making a bet. 😅
1418
REpro
2022 Nov 28, 8:02pm
REpro
2022 Nov 28, 8:02pm
Soon correction be over. Folks gets inflation adjusted increase in wages.
Purchase power will overcome higher interes rates and housing market will go back on track.
Only persist inflation can hold it.
Purchase power will overcome higher interes rates and housing market will go back on track.
Only persist inflation can hold it.
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AD
2022 Nov 28, 9:33pm
AD
2022 Nov 28, 9:33pm
REpro says
Yeah I saw VA disability is going up about 8.7%, and I believe Social Security is also. True, as pensioners are going to have more buying power in 2023 if inflation continues to trend down.
12 month CPI is around 7.7% now, down from its recent peak of 9.1% around July 2022.
,
Soon correction be over. Folks gets inflation adjusted increase in wages.
Purchase power will overcome higher interes rates and housing market will go back on track.
Only persist inflation can hold it.
Yeah I saw VA disability is going up about 8.7%, and I believe Social Security is also. True, as pensioners are going to have more buying power in 2023 if inflation continues to trend down.
12 month CPI is around 7.7% now, down from its recent peak of 9.1% around July 2022.
,
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HeadSet
2022 Nov 29, 8:21am
HeadSet
2022 Nov 29, 8:21am
ad says
True, that may affect the cost of lower end cars, but people relying on pensions are not in the market for high priced homes.
Yeah I saw VA disability is going up about 8.7%, and I believe Social Security is also. True, as pensioners are going to have more buying power in 2023 if inflation continues to trend down.
True, that may affect the cost of lower end cars, but people relying on pensions are not in the market for high priced homes.
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Ceffer
2022 Nov 29, 12:07pm
Ceffer
2022 Nov 29, 12:07pm
In Santa Cruz, things are in an intermediate stage. Houses coming on the market at seller demand excess prices, not selling, inventory increasing and occasional break throughs of price drops for those who actually want or need to sell. They aren't always stating price reductions.
One house we walk by that has been on market for a while now had hundreds of thousands drop, but never stated it on the listing. Irrational price and equity fantasy exuberance seems to be slowly chipping away. It'll be interesting to see how things sort out by Feb. 2023.
One house we walk by that has been on market for a while now had hundreds of thousands drop, but never stated it on the listing. Irrational price and equity fantasy exuberance seems to be slowly chipping away. It'll be interesting to see how things sort out by Feb. 2023.
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zzyzzx
2022 Nov 30, 8:58am
zzyzzx
2022 Nov 30, 8:58am
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
I will assume that you are referring to the month's supply for next spring...
GNL says
Any predictions for the 2023 spring market?
usually goes up in spring.
I will assume that you are referring to the month's supply for next spring...
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gabbar
2022 Dec 1, 2:56am
gabbar
2022 Dec 1, 2:56am
ad says
American people are just too nice. They should say f u to the whole real estate+bankers cartel every fucking day. Let the fuckers do what they want.
A lot of owners stopped paying and refused to move out of the homes.
American people are just too nice. They should say f u to the whole real estate+bankers cartel every fucking day. Let the fuckers do what they want.
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Eman
2022 Dec 3, 10:03am
Eman
2022 Dec 3, 10:03am
For anyone who thinks it’s not possible, this 19 year old kid is doing it in his Midwest market in the current market conditions. He’s inspired by people, who have been there, done that, and took action. His goal is 250 units. 19 years old and bought a 4-plex.
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GNL
2022 Dec 3, 12:27pm
GNL
2022 Dec 3, 12:27pm
@Eman
Did you start out like this? If so, how did you manage rent collection and maintenance?
Did you start out like this? If so, how did you manage rent collection and maintenance?
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WookieMan
2022 Dec 3, 12:40pm
WookieMan
2022 Dec 3, 12:40pm
Eman says
Slum lord and lipstick on a pig. I feel for the people that end up renting those units. Gotta learn somehow I guess.
For anyone who thinks it’s not possible, this 19 year old kid is doing it in his Midwest market in the current market conditions. He’s inspired by people, who have been there, done that, and took action. His goal is 250 units. 19 years old and bought a 4-plex.
Slum lord and lipstick on a pig. I feel for the people that end up renting those units. Gotta learn somehow I guess.
1434
WookieMan
2022 Dec 3, 12:44pm
WookieMan
2022 Dec 3, 12:44pm
Those decks are half rotted as well. No pavement for parking? That for sure is ghetto special. I hope he doesn't hit his goal because that's 250 miserable tenants with what I'm looking at. Just being honest
1435
stereotomy
2022 Dec 3, 1:00pm
stereotomy
2022 Dec 3, 1:00pm
This is how they corrupt the young'uns. Free money for exploiting your fellow (to be honest, a mouth-breathing section-8 renter) human. Just like cops who only see the worst of humanity, they eventually see their "customers" as subhuman trash
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HeadSet
2022 Dec 3, 1:44pm
HeadSet
2022 Dec 3, 1:44pm
"Through a combination of bank and private debt." Let me translate - "with mom and dad giving me money for the down payment and then cosigning the mortgage."
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WookieMan
2022 Dec 3, 1:49pm
WookieMan
2022 Dec 3, 1:49pm
stereotomy says
We never had an issue with section 8 tenants. I think that's a huge misnomer about them. They're on the streets if they don't keep their voucher. Some of the best tenants we had. On their best behavior. We had to keep the units ABOVE building code for Section 8 versus market rate tenants, so not slum lords. We weren't in NIMBY land though. They're the ones that bitch about section 8 the most and have no clue about it.
This is how they corrupt the young'uns. Free money for exploiting your fellow (to be honest, a mouth-breathing section-8 renter) human. Just like cops who only see the worst of humanity, they eventually see their "customers" as subhuman trash
We never had an issue with section 8 tenants. I think that's a huge misnomer about them. They're on the streets if they don't keep their voucher. Some of the best tenants we had. On their best behavior. We had to keep the units ABOVE building code for Section 8 versus market rate tenants, so not slum lords. We weren't in NIMBY land though. They're the ones that bitch about section 8 the most and have no clue about it.
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HeadSet
2022 Dec 3, 2:05pm
HeadSet
2022 Dec 3, 2:05pm
WookieMan says
Around here and in Oklahoma, I could tell the Section 8 houses in a neighborhood by the unkempt lawns, broken tricycles lying about, etc. When I had rental property in VA, I was approached several times to do Section 8. I refused, since my rentals were all single-family homes in nice workers/jr management type areas. I did not want to insert a welfare household next door to hard working people paying off a mortgage.
We never had an issue with section 8 tenants. I think that's a huge misnomer about them. They're on the streets if they don't keep their voucher. Some of the best tenants we had. On their best behavior.
Around here and in Oklahoma, I could tell the Section 8 houses in a neighborhood by the unkempt lawns, broken tricycles lying about, etc. When I had rental property in VA, I was approached several times to do Section 8. I refused, since my rentals were all single-family homes in nice workers/jr management type areas. I did not want to insert a welfare household next door to hard working people paying off a mortgage.
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GNL
2022 Dec 3, 3:01pm
GNL
2022 Dec 3, 3:01pm
How about a strategy of buying enough rentals in a nice neighborhood and rent to section 8. Then once you've pulled the values down enough, buy a shit more houses and then end all section 8 rentals and bring the neighborhood values back?
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Eman
2022 Dec 3, 6:08pm
Eman
2022 Dec 3, 6:08pm
GNL says
No, I started out buying REO’s, but got wise quickly and learned how to buy properties at the courthouse steps for pennies on the dollar. Then rehab, rent it out, refinance, rinse and repeat. My dad is a GC so it’s a walk in the park.
One of Patneters, with an open-mind, joined me on this venture, and we bought 6 properties together. All financed under his name. I didn’t have a job so bank wouldn’t lend to me. They’ve gained over $2M in equity and cash-flowed over $4k/month, not including principal pay down, etc… Each of us invested $150k in these 6 properties. He didn’t want to stick around to refinance and get the cash out of these properties. Retired at 40 and moved to Brazil with a young Brazilian wife. Patrick, mell and a few other Patneters know and met him in person.
When he retired in 2013 and moved to Brazil, I was approached by a smart and wealthy individual who sold his startup company and has retired since 2000 at the age of 30. He was introduced to me through an acquaintance. I showed him what I did. He said it’s not “scalable” and wanted something that can scale. That was when we got into apartment investing. He chose the San Jose State University market as it’s “recession proof”. We also explored the Fresno State University and Easy Bay University markets, but decided to stay “local” and expand in this market. With his net worth, financing was a walk in the park as banks lend money to people who don’t need money. The rest is history.
Eman
Did you start out like this? If so, how did you manage rent collection and maintenance?
No, I started out buying REO’s, but got wise quickly and learned how to buy properties at the courthouse steps for pennies on the dollar. Then rehab, rent it out, refinance, rinse and repeat. My dad is a GC so it’s a walk in the park.
One of Patneters, with an open-mind, joined me on this venture, and we bought 6 properties together. All financed under his name. I didn’t have a job so bank wouldn’t lend to me. They’ve gained over $2M in equity and cash-flowed over $4k/month, not including principal pay down, etc… Each of us invested $150k in these 6 properties. He didn’t want to stick around to refinance and get the cash out of these properties. Retired at 40 and moved to Brazil with a young Brazilian wife. Patrick, mell and a few other Patneters know and met him in person.
When he retired in 2013 and moved to Brazil, I was approached by a smart and wealthy individual who sold his startup company and has retired since 2000 at the age of 30. He was introduced to me through an acquaintance. I showed him what I did. He said it’s not “scalable” and wanted something that can scale. That was when we got into apartment investing. He chose the San Jose State University market as it’s “recession proof”. We also explored the Fresno State University and Easy Bay University markets, but decided to stay “local” and expand in this market. With his net worth, financing was a walk in the park as banks lend money to people who don’t need money. The rest is history.
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Eman
2022 Dec 3, 6:12pm
Eman
2022 Dec 3, 6:12pm
HeadSet says
I don’t see anything wrong with this. Parents would love to help their kids out when they’re starting out….at least in my culture. I made this offer to all nieces and nephews on both sides of the family. Come to us if they ever need money for their ideas.
"Through a combination of bank and private debt." Let me translate - "with mom and dad giving me money for the down payment and then cosigning the mortgage."
I don’t see anything wrong with this. Parents would love to help their kids out when they’re starting out….at least in my culture. I made this offer to all nieces and nephews on both sides of the family. Come to us if they ever need money for their ideas.
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HeadSet
2022 Dec 3, 6:27pm
HeadSet
2022 Dec 3, 6:27pm
Eman says
That ain't the point, spread your silver spoons all you like. Just do not have the kids claiming they are self-made individuals and investment geniuses.
HeadSet says
"Through a combination of bank and private debt." Let me translate - "with mom and dad giving me money for the down payment and then cosigning the mortgage."
I don’t see anything wrong with this. Parents would love to help their kids out when they’re starting out….at least in my culture. I made this offer to all nieces and nephews on both sides of the family. Come to us if they ever need money for their ideas.
That ain't the point, spread your silver spoons all you like. Just do not have the kids claiming they are self-made individuals and investment geniuses.
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Eman
2022 Dec 3, 7:31pm
Eman
2022 Dec 3, 7:31pm
HeadSet says
I guess we don’t share the same point of view. If a kid is unmotivated, he’ll burn all of the money his parents give to him or his inheritance.
To get started, he can either borrow money from an investor for a down payment, who will likely want a big cut of the equity, and borrow a hard money loan with high interest rate and pay points. Borrowing from acquaintances, or parents, provides a little more buffer and some safety net. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
At the end of the day, we don’t know how he financed the deal. It was all an assumption. I’d rather give the kid the benefits of the doubt than the naysayers.
Eman says
HeadSet says
"Through a combination of bank and private debt." Let me translate - "with mom and dad giving me money for the down payment and then cosigning the mortgage."
I don’t see anything wrong with this. Parents would love to help their kids out when they’re starting out….at least in my culture. I made this offer to all nieces and nephews on both sides of the family. Come to us if they ever need money for their ideas.
That ain't the point, spread your silver spoons all you like. Just do not have the kids claiming they are self-made individuals and investment geniuses.
I guess we don’t share the same point of view. If a kid is unmotivated, he’ll burn all of the money his parents give to him or his inheritance.
To get started, he can either borrow money from an investor for a down payment, who will likely want a big cut of the equity, and borrow a hard money loan with high interest rate and pay points. Borrowing from acquaintances, or parents, provides a little more buffer and some safety net. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
At the end of the day, we don’t know how he financed the deal. It was all an assumption. I’d rather give the kid the benefits of the doubt than the naysayers.
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DD214
2022 Dec 5, 4:06am
Why Blackstone's $69B Property Fund Is Signaling Pain Ahead For Real Estate
https://www.fa-mag.com/news/why-blackstone-s--69b-property-fund-is-signaling-pain-ahead-for-real-estate-70916.html
https://www.fa-mag.com/news/why-blackstone-s--69b-property-fund-is-signaling-pain-ahead-for-real-estate-70916.html
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