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Confronting Shoplifters Ban passed by CA Senate
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Ceffer
2023 Jun 8, 1:19pm
Ceffer
2023 Jun 8, 1:19pm
clambo says
The politicians in California are the election fraud KommieKunt Soros Fecal Impaction riff raff. The era of responsible public servants who can do planning, math and practical civic economics started crumbling around 1990.
When the golden goose is dead, the political Zimbabwe farms plundered, and the deluded forebrain-less goons and apparatchiks are staring at each other over the empty tables in Sacto with their gang tats and their rhetoric, they will go back to their warlord fiefdom ghettos to complete the third (fourth) worldization of California.
After all, this is all about Soros subversion and destruction. The Club of Rome hates the US, and dictated that the American middle class had to be eliminated along with the Constitution. Putting the quasi illiterates in charge is part of the game.
The people in the trailer parks and hoods are crazy in Florida, but in California it's the politicians who are crazy.
The politicians in California are the election fraud KommieKunt Soros Fecal Impaction riff raff. The era of responsible public servants who can do planning, math and practical civic economics started crumbling around 1990.
When the golden goose is dead, the political Zimbabwe farms plundered, and the deluded forebrain-less goons and apparatchiks are staring at each other over the empty tables in Sacto with their gang tats and their rhetoric, they will go back to their warlord fiefdom ghettos to complete the third (fourth) worldization of California.
After all, this is all about Soros subversion and destruction. The Club of Rome hates the US, and dictated that the American middle class had to be eliminated along with the Constitution. Putting the quasi illiterates in charge is part of the game.
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zzyzzx
2023 Jun 9, 1:47pm
zzyzzx
2023 Jun 9, 1:47pm
NDrLoR says
It's mostly black people getting more bold.
There used to be an assumption that most people had a built-in moral compass that prevented things like this, but that has slowly eroded away with the entitlement mentality of the past several decades. Now it's you owe me and by golly I'm going to take it.
It's mostly black people getting more bold.
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 10, 10:26am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 10, 10:26am
Onvacation says
I'd guess this is where 20 to maybe 50% of the theft comes from. And it's not necessarily NOT paying for it.
I had leeway to mark things down in the sporting goods department for a high school job. I did. Then I bought it 80% reduced price. Kind of theft, kind of not. Employees steal more than people understand. Hell my gas is paid for by my wife's company and I don't work for it. Thing is it's the little things that aren't technically illegal that people get away with. Wife sells $6,000,000 annually cash and my $2,000 of gas is a nothing burger. And they know.
I wouldn't advise any employee to stop a theft in action though. Easy way to get yourself killed or hurt. You then lose your job and try to sue the business, and maybe get lucky.
Can employees steal without being fired now?
I'd guess this is where 20 to maybe 50% of the theft comes from. And it's not necessarily NOT paying for it.
I had leeway to mark things down in the sporting goods department for a high school job. I did. Then I bought it 80% reduced price. Kind of theft, kind of not. Employees steal more than people understand. Hell my gas is paid for by my wife's company and I don't work for it. Thing is it's the little things that aren't technically illegal that people get away with. Wife sells $6,000,000 annually cash and my $2,000 of gas is a nothing burger. And they know.
I wouldn't advise any employee to stop a theft in action though. Easy way to get yourself killed or hurt. You then lose your job and try to sue the business, and maybe get lucky.
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 10, 11:23am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 10, 11:23am
I have a retired friend who's wife worked part-time at a suburban Walmart. Her job was to check receipts on big ticket items at the front of the store. The husband told me that the store was frequented by blacks due to its proximity to a neighboring town that has a high black population. He told me that "every single work night, his wife encountered people walking out the door with expensive items. The stated policy of management was to "let them go and do not confront them." Word must have spread regarding this policy because the 'loss' for this store doubled in only one year, from $1 million to $2 million.
Also, the store was pressured to hire minority workers, so they did. Numerous cashiers were caught, and fired, for ringing up only a fraction of very large orders for their friends and family members. This practice was so common that cashiers were a revolving door, when one was fired only to be replaced by another that was caught doing the very same thing.
My friend's wife thought working part-time at Walmart would be a fun experience. She quit after having her taste of the real world.
Also, the store was pressured to hire minority workers, so they did. Numerous cashiers were caught, and fired, for ringing up only a fraction of very large orders for their friends and family members. This practice was so common that cashiers were a revolving door, when one was fired only to be replaced by another that was caught doing the very same thing.
My friend's wife thought working part-time at Walmart would be a fun experience. She quit after having her taste of the real world.
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Booger
2023 Jun 10, 12:01pm
Booger
2023 Jun 10, 12:01pm
WookieMan says
It would have been smarter to have a friend do the actual purchasing part.
I had leeway to mark things down in the sporting goods department for a high school job. I did. Then I bought it 80% reduced price
It would have been smarter to have a friend do the actual purchasing part.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 10, 12:04pm
Booger says
And just as dishonest while implying your friends are as crooked as you. Do you folks hear yourselves?
It would have been smarter to have a friend do the actual purchasing part.
And just as dishonest while implying your friends are as crooked as you. Do you folks hear yourselves?
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 10, 12:14pm
WookieMan
2023 Jun 10, 12:14pm
BigSky says
I was 17 dude. I'm sure you're perfect.
Booger says
It would have been smarter to have a friend do the actual purchasing part.
And just as dishonest while implying your friends are as crooked as you. Do you folks hear yourselves?
I was 17 dude. I'm sure you're perfect.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 10, 4:20pm
WookieMan says
Not at all. At that age I was a total delinquent that stole frequently, but I will admit that those were the acts of a thief. But as an adult I changed my behavior. The issue is not that you were only 17, it is that today you consider the activity you did then as not really stealing, and even today you said you pilfer gas from your wife's employer. Kid's make mistakes, which is why it was my policy was never to prosecute anyone under 18 for shoplifting or pilfering. A adult should have matured to the point of having integrity.
I was 17 dude. I'm sure you're perfect.
Not at all. At that age I was a total delinquent that stole frequently, but I will admit that those were the acts of a thief. But as an adult I changed my behavior. The issue is not that you were only 17, it is that today you consider the activity you did then as not really stealing, and even today you said you pilfer gas from your wife's employer. Kid's make mistakes, which is why it was my policy was never to prosecute anyone under 18 for shoplifting or pilfering. A adult should have matured to the point of having integrity.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 10, 4:38pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 10, 4:38pm
WookieMan says
You don't think for a moment "am I possibly a kind of shitty person?"
I wouldn't notice spending an extra $2,000 a year, that's why I wouldn't be a thief. It's not about money, it's about personal integrity. Doesn't this even occur to you?
Hell my gas is paid for by my wife's company and I don't work for it. Thing is it's the little things that aren't technically illegal that people get away with. Wife sells $6,000,000 annually cash and my $2,000 of gas is a nothing burger. And they know.
You don't think for a moment "am I possibly a kind of shitty person?"
I wouldn't notice spending an extra $2,000 a year, that's why I wouldn't be a thief. It's not about money, it's about personal integrity. Doesn't this even occur to you?
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2023 Jun 10, 6:10pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2023 Jun 10, 6:10pm
On Gutfield last night kevin O’Leary said the retail industry standard for shrinkage is 2%.
He said the standard in San Francisco is 12%.
If you don’t understand how astonishingly bad that is, you should really rethink your life and the poor choices you have made.
This new law is yet another push towards communism by the Evan Lows and Richard Pans of the Democrat party. An attempt to vicariously claim via lie that people steal because they are poor and victims of systemic racism, another fabricated fairly tale of the communists. All of this is to devalue physical possessions…similar to how Newsome and Eric Garcetti repeatedly lied and said that the homeless deserve compassion and all sorts of chow meow while allowing the homeless population to grow unchecked.
How Garcetti is getting away with his actions while Karen Bass is actually reducing LA’s homeless population is beyond me.
https://www.cashtechcurrency.com/blog/what-is-shrinkage-and-how-is-it-affecting-your-retail-business#:~:text=It%20can%20come%20in%20myriad,2%25%20of%20sales%20in%20retail.
He said the standard in San Francisco is 12%.
If you don’t understand how astonishingly bad that is, you should really rethink your life and the poor choices you have made.
This new law is yet another push towards communism by the Evan Lows and Richard Pans of the Democrat party. An attempt to vicariously claim via lie that people steal because they are poor and victims of systemic racism, another fabricated fairly tale of the communists. All of this is to devalue physical possessions…similar to how Newsome and Eric Garcetti repeatedly lied and said that the homeless deserve compassion and all sorts of chow meow while allowing the homeless population to grow unchecked.
How Garcetti is getting away with his actions while Karen Bass is actually reducing LA’s homeless population is beyond me.
https://www.cashtechcurrency.com/blog/what-is-shrinkage-and-how-is-it-affecting-your-retail-business#:~:text=It%20can%20come%20in%20myriad,2%25%20of%20sales%20in%20retail.
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HeadSet
2023 Jun 10, 7:09pm
HeadSet
2023 Jun 10, 7:09pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
And if they are successful at implementing Communism, there will be no mercy for anyone who steals from a State Store (provided they actually have stock to steal).
This new law is yet another push towards communism by the Evan Lows and Richard Pans of the Democrat party. An attempt to vicariously claim via lie that people steal because they are poor and victims of systemic racism, another fabricated fairly tale of the communists.
And if they are successful at implementing Communism, there will be no mercy for anyone who steals from a State Store (provided they actually have stock to steal).
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Patrick
2023 Jun 10, 7:25pm
Patrick
2023 Jun 10, 7:25pm
BigSky says
@BigSky
The main rule on patrick.net is that no user may deliberately personally insult another user.
That comment was definitely a personal insult. Please don't do that.
patrick
What happened to comment 21 above?
@BigSky
The main rule on patrick.net is that no user may deliberately personally insult another user.
That comment was definitely a personal insult. Please don't do that.
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Patrick
2023 Jun 10, 7:27pm
Patrick
2023 Jun 10, 7:27pm
See "Site Rules" in https://patrick.net/post/1277846/2015-02-09-an-antidote-to-corporate-media
It's much more relaxed than most sites, except for that thing about not personally insulting each other. I disallow personal insults because insults kill productive conversation dead, instantly.
It's much more relaxed than most sites, except for that thing about not personally insulting each other. I disallow personal insults because insults kill productive conversation dead, instantly.
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Karloff
2023 Jun 10, 8:19pm
Karloff
2023 Jun 10, 8:19pm
RayAmerica says
What is the point of checking receipts at the door then? Just to keep track of how many people stole things?
The stated policy of management was to "let them go and do not confront them."
What is the point of checking receipts at the door then? Just to keep track of how many people stole things?
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2023 Jun 10, 9:00pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2023 Jun 10, 9:00pm
Karloff says
Smoke and mirrors. Mostly it’s to try and convince others not to steal.
The whole concept right now is completely retarded. You can’t have a civilization without some sort of enforcement mechanism. Once fully implemented, as head set said, the laws will again be enforced. It’s exactly how nefarious the Democrats in California are. Those Democrats pushing all of this really just want their seat at the fat pig table once the changes are made. The mouth breathing morons that vote for them don’t realize they are voting for their own doom and the happy faggots want to celebrate men giving the ol in n out to another man’s rectum and don’t realize how truly fucked they will be under the new regime.
RayAmerica says
The stated policy of management was to "let them go and do not confront them."
What is the point of checking receipts at the door then? Just to keep track of how many people stole things?
Smoke and mirrors. Mostly it’s to try and convince others not to steal.
The whole concept right now is completely retarded. You can’t have a civilization without some sort of enforcement mechanism. Once fully implemented, as head set said, the laws will again be enforced. It’s exactly how nefarious the Democrats in California are. Those Democrats pushing all of this really just want their seat at the fat pig table once the changes are made. The mouth breathing morons that vote for them don’t realize they are voting for their own doom and the happy faggots want to celebrate men giving the ol in n out to another man’s rectum and don’t realize how truly fucked they will be under the new regime.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 10, 9:47pm
Patrick says
How? I criticized the behavior of one who trivialized theft, albeit a bit strong. When one brags about stealing, I do not think it is inappropriate to tell him he may want to check his integrity.
That comment was definitely a personal insult.
How? I criticized the behavior of one who trivialized theft, albeit a bit strong. When one brags about stealing, I do not think it is inappropriate to tell him he may want to check his integrity.
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gabbar
2023 Jun 11, 1:53am
gabbar
2023 Jun 11, 1:53am
Onvacation says
Right. Can politicians....businesses steal without consequences now? The shite starts at the stop and flows down.
Can employees steal without being fired now?
Right. Can politicians....businesses steal without consequences now? The shite starts at the stop and flows down.
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BayArea
2023 Jun 11, 7:35am
BayArea
2023 Jun 11, 7:35am
CA raised the grand theft limit to $950 a while back. And now they passed a bill making it illegal for employer to require employees to confront thieves/shoplifters.
For their safety, I don’t think employees should do this anyway and I don’t think it was happening much.
With shoplifting there was always grey area… if I walk out with these, will someone confront me. What risk am I taking by trying to walk out with his iPhone charger?
But with this bill, isn’t it open season? $950 and it’s illegal to try and stop me?
For the record, I don’t give much of a shit about corporations and their profits. However, I’m seeing a lot more shit locked up in stores and store theft is all over nextdoor with people saying that so and so just walked right out without paying.
Thoughts?
For their safety, I don’t think employees should do this anyway and I don’t think it was happening much.
With shoplifting there was always grey area… if I walk out with these, will someone confront me. What risk am I taking by trying to walk out with his iPhone charger?
But with this bill, isn’t it open season? $950 and it’s illegal to try and stop me?
For the record, I don’t give much of a shit about corporations and their profits. However, I’m seeing a lot more shit locked up in stores and store theft is all over nextdoor with people saying that so and so just walked right out without paying.
Thoughts?
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 11, 7:43am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 11, 7:43am
BayArea says
There has always existed a rather thin line that separates our society from the law-abiding to the lawless. That line has now been officially crossed by the lawless, along with those politicians that support them, and the results will be continual chaos.
Thoughts?
There has always existed a rather thin line that separates our society from the law-abiding to the lawless. That line has now been officially crossed by the lawless, along with those politicians that support them, and the results will be continual chaos.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Jun 11, 8:13am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Jun 11, 8:13am
BigSky says
You straightened your shit out, because of the ramifications of your actions. Had their not been any consequences, you would be a bigger thief today.
Consequences are the greatest ager of all.
Not at all. At that age I was a total delinquent that stole frequently, but I will admit that those were the acts of a thief. But as an adult I changed my behavior. The issue is not that you were only 17, it is that today you consider the activity you did then as not really stealing, and even today you said you pilfer gas from your wife's employer. Kid's make mistakes, which is why it was my policy was never to prosecute anyone under 18 for shoplifting or pilfering. A adult should have matured to the point of having integrity.
You straightened your shit out, because of the ramifications of your actions. Had their not been any consequences, you would be a bigger thief today.
Consequences are the greatest ager of all.
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Eman
2023 Jun 11, 8:31am
Eman
2023 Jun 11, 8:31am
BayArea says
A combination of these 2 things makes everyone pay more for goods as retailers have to charge more to compensate for theft losses. This will drive more retailers out of business, especially the mom and pop shops, while it’s good for on-line retailers like AMZN. My 2 cents.
CA raised the grand theft limit to $950 a while back. And now they passed a bill making it illegal for employer to require employees to confront thieves/shoplifters.
For their safety, I don’t think employees should do this anyway and I don’t think it was happening much.
With shoplifting there was always grey area… if I walk out with these, will someone confront me. What risk am I taking by trying to walk out with his iPhone charger?
But with this bill, isn’t it open season? $950 and it’s illegal to try and stop me?
For the record, I don’t give much of a shit about corporations and their profits. However, I’m seeing a lot more shit locked up in stores and store theft is all over nextdoor with people saying that so and so just walked right out without paying.
Thoughts?
A combination of these 2 things makes everyone pay more for goods as retailers have to charge more to compensate for theft losses. This will drive more retailers out of business, especially the mom and pop shops, while it’s good for on-line retailers like AMZN. My 2 cents.
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 8:43am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 8:43am
richwicks says
Integrity? This surely is in jest. How about the company stealing from my wife by not paying her what anyone with those sales numbers makes. They're taking $200k at least for themselves. And she goes above and beyond helping the other sales people.
There is no integrity in business, government or life. Churches are diddling kids and just paid money to make it "go away" and you're worried about 0.03% of sales my wife EARNED. You're extremely naivie to think there's an ounce of integrity around you.
Also my role in the household allows my wife to be successful. Her boss pays me more in a day for grilling at company parties than her daily base salary pays. Unless the company hits hard times, he doesn't care and I know him. I just can't talk to him about my wife's pay. That's on her. We're also talking 0.03% and that's just her sales. She's trained all the other ones to sell and it's not a traditional sales style. Because of her, the company owns the whole Mississippi river states sales territory.
This is the classic response we get and I'm used to it. Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow. P Diddy. Mo money mo problems. And it's true and we live it. Integrity has different forms. Don't worry about how my life operates and the OWNER knows about us doing it. He just doesn't say anything because he doesn't want to piss off the rainmaker and plant the seed so other salespeople think they can do it.
Has nothing to do with integrity. Own a business and let me know if riding your employees on every little thing works out. You won't have employees....
You don't think for a moment "am I possibly a kind of shitty person?"
I wouldn't notice spending an extra $2,000 a year, that's why I wouldn't be a thief. It's not about money, it's about personal integrity. Doesn't this even occur to you?
Integrity? This surely is in jest. How about the company stealing from my wife by not paying her what anyone with those sales numbers makes. They're taking $200k at least for themselves. And she goes above and beyond helping the other sales people.
There is no integrity in business, government or life. Churches are diddling kids and just paid money to make it "go away" and you're worried about 0.03% of sales my wife EARNED. You're extremely naivie to think there's an ounce of integrity around you.
Also my role in the household allows my wife to be successful. Her boss pays me more in a day for grilling at company parties than her daily base salary pays. Unless the company hits hard times, he doesn't care and I know him. I just can't talk to him about my wife's pay. That's on her. We're also talking 0.03% and that's just her sales. She's trained all the other ones to sell and it's not a traditional sales style. Because of her, the company owns the whole Mississippi river states sales territory.
This is the classic response we get and I'm used to it. Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow. P Diddy. Mo money mo problems. And it's true and we live it. Integrity has different forms. Don't worry about how my life operates and the OWNER knows about us doing it. He just doesn't say anything because he doesn't want to piss off the rainmaker and plant the seed so other salespeople think they can do it.
Has nothing to do with integrity. Own a business and let me know if riding your employees on every little thing works out. You won't have employees....
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 9:04am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 9:04am
RayAmerica says
Here's the problem. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOING ON!!! I have massive trust issues. Anyone non-family that is close to me I've done background searches on. My kids friends family, I do sex offender searches when they get new friends. I know what half the people we know make and I never asked.
Most people simply are not informed about what is going on around them. While being an insomniac is not pleasant it does give me time to find shit out on people. Also networking/knowing people. I just hung out with the village president last night. Her son came over to our house for a sleep over. Know the people that pull the strings. Integrity shouldn't be a word in the dictionary if you know what the fuck is going on. YOU ALL violate integrity and you know it. The hypocrisy is hysterical.
BayArea says
Thoughts?
There has always existed a rather thin line that separates our society from the law-abiding to the lawless. That line has now been officially crossed by the lawless, along with those politicians that support them, and the results will be continual chaos.
Here's the problem. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOING ON!!! I have massive trust issues. Anyone non-family that is close to me I've done background searches on. My kids friends family, I do sex offender searches when they get new friends. I know what half the people we know make and I never asked.
Most people simply are not informed about what is going on around them. While being an insomniac is not pleasant it does give me time to find shit out on people. Also networking/knowing people. I just hung out with the village president last night. Her son came over to our house for a sleep over. Know the people that pull the strings. Integrity shouldn't be a word in the dictionary if you know what the fuck is going on. YOU ALL violate integrity and you know it. The hypocrisy is hysterical.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 11, 9:42am
Tenpoundbass says
Not a fear of ramifications like jail or punishment, but a self-realization from a talk with my dad and later from a very respected friend describing how he himself works to stay honest. I know that I am not naturally honest like some few I have met, but I know and make an effort to avoid the blatant acts.
You straightened your shit out, because of the ramifications of your actions.
Not a fear of ramifications like jail or punishment, but a self-realization from a talk with my dad and later from a very respected friend describing how he himself works to stay honest. I know that I am not naturally honest like some few I have met, but I know and make an effort to avoid the blatant acts.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 11, 9:50am
WookieMan says
So now it is reparations? If your wife is not being paid enough, then she should ask for a raise or work for an employer who will pay her more. If no raise is forthcoming and no other employer will pay her more, then she is being paid what she is worth. That is true for any employee.
How about the company stealing from my wife by not paying her what anyone with those sales numbers makes.
So now it is reparations? If your wife is not being paid enough, then she should ask for a raise or work for an employer who will pay her more. If no raise is forthcoming and no other employer will pay her more, then she is being paid what she is worth. That is true for any employee.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 11, 10:04am
WookieMan says
How arrogant and how grabbing at straws. Nobody is jealous of you, anymore than anyone who protests Lia Thomas is just jealous of "her" winning. Most people on this blog seem to be well accomplished on their own.
Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow.
How arrogant and how grabbing at straws. Nobody is jealous of you, anymore than anyone who protests Lia Thomas is just jealous of "her" winning. Most people on this blog seem to be well accomplished on their own.
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 10:04am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 10:04am
BigSky says
You make me laugh. She's offered other jobs almost daily. We've almost moved to CO and CA. Our cost of living is 50% below those two states at minimum and she'd make the same. So I don't get what you mean by reparations. She's not paid what she's worth. That's her problem. I can spend $2k on gas and the company doesn't care. In one weekend at the Ozark's coming up this fall it will be $10k easy in one weekend. $1k of that being gas for a 56' boat.
You guys don't know my life, yet have opinions that aren't based in reality. I live a different life than you or anyone else on this site. We live frugally, but the optics make it look like we travel and do all this other shit. Part of that's my fault.
Don't get pigeon hole'd into what life should be. You don't know mine. If my wife doesn't want to ask for more that's on her, not me. 25 years this November. In modern times let me know if you've been with the same person that long. I'm doing something right...
So now it is reparations? If your wife is not being paid enough, then she should ask for a raise or work for an employer who will pay her more. If no raise is forthcoming and no other employer will pay her more, then she is being paid what she is worth. That is true for any employee.
You make me laugh. She's offered other jobs almost daily. We've almost moved to CO and CA. Our cost of living is 50% below those two states at minimum and she'd make the same. So I don't get what you mean by reparations. She's not paid what she's worth. That's her problem. I can spend $2k on gas and the company doesn't care. In one weekend at the Ozark's coming up this fall it will be $10k easy in one weekend. $1k of that being gas for a 56' boat.
You guys don't know my life, yet have opinions that aren't based in reality. I live a different life than you or anyone else on this site. We live frugally, but the optics make it look like we travel and do all this other shit. Part of that's my fault.
Don't get pigeon hole'd into what life should be. You don't know mine. If my wife doesn't want to ask for more that's on her, not me. 25 years this November. In modern times let me know if you've been with the same person that long. I'm doing something right...
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 10:17am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 10:17am
BigSky says
No. It's reality. I live it every day.
How long have you been here? Eman which I do believe is a successful RE investor gets shit on by some users over his success. Jealousy is rampant in our society. That's what leads to theft going back to the OP. People want what they cannot have. Would you turn down a hot wife that makes $300k?
Like I said, I live it everyday and know the personalities that come with it. Your comments are right on par with jealously. It's fine. I was once jealous of a lot of things. I changed that. I hope you enjoy Montana though. I like Moonlight Basin myself. Not rich enough for Yellowstone Club.
WookieMan says
Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow.
How arrogant and how grabbing at straws. Nobody is jealous of you, anymore than anyone who protests Lia Thomas is just jealous of "her" winning. Most people on this blog seem to be well accomplished on their own.
No. It's reality. I live it every day.
How long have you been here? Eman which I do believe is a successful RE investor gets shit on by some users over his success. Jealousy is rampant in our society. That's what leads to theft going back to the OP. People want what they cannot have. Would you turn down a hot wife that makes $300k?
Like I said, I live it everyday and know the personalities that come with it. Your comments are right on par with jealously. It's fine. I was once jealous of a lot of things. I changed that. I hope you enjoy Montana though. I like Moonlight Basin myself. Not rich enough for Yellowstone Club.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 11, 10:25am
WookieMan says
Oh yes, the old sliding scale of ethics. Perhaps that church you mentioned that diddles kids and pays to make it go away considers such action to comply with their "form" of integrity. After all, the church support lots of charities and there are people out in the world who start wars. Absurd, yes, but no more so than any argument that justifies a dishonest action based on "everyone else is doing it or worse."
Integrity has different forms.
Oh yes, the old sliding scale of ethics. Perhaps that church you mentioned that diddles kids and pays to make it go away considers such action to comply with their "form" of integrity. After all, the church support lots of charities and there are people out in the world who start wars. Absurd, yes, but no more so than any argument that justifies a dishonest action based on "everyone else is doing it or worse."
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BigSky
2023 Jun 11, 10:27am
WookieMan says
I would accept your offer but I am already married.
Would you turn down a hot wife that makes $300k?
I would accept your offer but I am already married.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 11, 10:36am
WookieMan says
Yes, that is the basis of Capitalism (change cannot have to do not currently have) . But so is honest pursuit of what one desires.
WookieMan says
Thanks, but I was more with ranches than with resorts.
People want what they cannot have.
Yes, that is the basis of Capitalism (change cannot have to do not currently have) . But so is honest pursuit of what one desires.
WookieMan says
I hope you enjoy Montana though.
Thanks, but I was more with ranches than with resorts.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 11, 10:46am
WookieMan says
Yep, both of us married only once and still together since 1995. I was quite the man whore in my 20s though, but got that all out of my system before settling down.
25 years this November. In modern times let me know if you've been with the same person that long.
Yep, both of us married only once and still together since 1995. I was quite the man whore in my 20s though, but got that all out of my system before settling down.
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 11:51am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 11:51am
BigSky says
If you think anyone around you is operating honestly, you're sadly mistaken is all I'll say. That includes family and friends. You may not operate that way, 90-95% do. It's the classic don't hate the player hate the game.
No matter how nice anyone seems, they'll take from you. Trust me. Maybe you've lived it, maybe not. I don't condone it, but sometimes you play the game is all. We all do at some point whether we know it or not.
Back to Montana. I get no one likes Big Lie, you should know the joke if you live(d) near that region. What area do you like? I like snowboarding and unfortunately along with that comes resorts. It is nice though. Spanish Peaks to the North are beautiful in the summer.
But so is honest pursuit of what one desires.
If you think anyone around you is operating honestly, you're sadly mistaken is all I'll say. That includes family and friends. You may not operate that way, 90-95% do. It's the classic don't hate the player hate the game.
No matter how nice anyone seems, they'll take from you. Trust me. Maybe you've lived it, maybe not. I don't condone it, but sometimes you play the game is all. We all do at some point whether we know it or not.
Back to Montana. I get no one likes Big Lie, you should know the joke if you live(d) near that region. What area do you like? I like snowboarding and unfortunately along with that comes resorts. It is nice though. Spanish Peaks to the North are beautiful in the summer.
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EBGuy
2023 Jun 11, 3:31pm
Eman says
Yes indeed.
A Homeland Security Investigations report published in June 2022 said the average U.S. family will have to pay more than $500 a year extra for goods due to the impact of organized retail theft.
A combination of these 2 things makes everyone pay more for goods as retailers have to charge more to compensate for theft losses.
Yes indeed.
A Homeland Security Investigations report published in June 2022 said the average U.S. family will have to pay more than $500 a year extra for goods due to the impact of organized retail theft.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 3:56pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 3:56pm
BayArea says
I don't give a crap about corporations, but if a corporation can't make a profit, they pack up and leave.
People might end up in neighborhoods where they simply can't purchase anything because there's no stores there. That's the threat.
For the record, I don’t give much of a shit about corporations and their profits. However, I’m seeing a lot more shit locked up in stores and store theft is all over nextdoor with people saying that so and so just walked right out without paying.
I don't give a crap about corporations, but if a corporation can't make a profit, they pack up and leave.
People might end up in neighborhoods where they simply can't purchase anything because there's no stores there. That's the threat.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 3:59pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 3:59pm
BigSky says
Dude, just give them community service. You don't have to screw them 6 ways from sunday, all you need to do is make them experience a consequence once.
Shoplifters aren't really stealing from the store, so much as they are stealing from everybody that goes to that store. Prices just adjust.
Kid's make mistakes, which is why it was my policy was never to prosecute anyone under 18 for shoplifting or pilfering
Dude, just give them community service. You don't have to screw them 6 ways from sunday, all you need to do is make them experience a consequence once.
Shoplifters aren't really stealing from the store, so much as they are stealing from everybody that goes to that store. Prices just adjust.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 4:01pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 4:01pm
WookieMan says
Then she can ask for a raise, or quit and get another job. You have an entitlement complex. If she's so valuable and indispensable, surely she can get a larger salary or leave.
WookieMan says
This is typical. I'm disgusted with you, I'm not jealous of you.
You have any idea how easy it is to take advantage of the public? I could create an instant messenger that I CLAIM is 100% secure, and then make up a shadow company in another nation and sell any information I get off from it to the highest bidder.
It's trivial to make money, if you're a shitty person. If you're willing to be a piece of garbage, it's easy. I've been torn with this dilemma. I could EASILY go down the road of "well, these assholes are stupid, barely human anyhow, will believe any nonsense, they're gullible, fuck 'em". It's not a good existence to live with that attitude. Trust me.
Integrity? This surely is in jest. How about the company stealing from my wife by not paying her what anyone with those sales numbers makes.
Then she can ask for a raise, or quit and get another job. You have an entitlement complex. If she's so valuable and indispensable, surely she can get a larger salary or leave.
WookieMan says
This is the classic response we get and I'm used to it. Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow.
This is typical. I'm disgusted with you, I'm not jealous of you.
You have any idea how easy it is to take advantage of the public? I could create an instant messenger that I CLAIM is 100% secure, and then make up a shadow company in another nation and sell any information I get off from it to the highest bidder.
It's trivial to make money, if you're a shitty person. If you're willing to be a piece of garbage, it's easy. I've been torn with this dilemma. I could EASILY go down the road of "well, these assholes are stupid, barely human anyhow, will believe any nonsense, they're gullible, fuck 'em". It's not a good existence to live with that attitude. Trust me.
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 12, 12:11pm
WookieMan
2023 Jun 12, 12:11pm
richwicks says
You read nothing of what I wrote clearly. Congrats I guess? Please read.
richwicks says
You are though. You do nothing. You program computers/sites and do nothing else. Bitch here to an active crowd of 50 and maybe 500 active lurkers. You're not elected. You just like to bitch. You don't read anyone's comments. You repeatedly bitch about the same thing over and over. Let me know how this comment is about Iraq and WMD's and you know all. Or that you're the fucking dog whisperer or something and know it all. You know dick and you know it.
When was the last time you even left California? Did anything of note? You sit here and bitch and moan yet do NOTHING about it. Informing people that aren't going to listen to you because it's an online forum is a waste of everyone's time. Have a fucking human conversation. I'd believe you're a bot/AI, but Patrick says he's met you. You don't bring any content to this site. Just whining and not reading.
Do something.
Then she can ask for a raise, or quit and get another job. You have an entitlement complex. If she's so valuable and indispensable, surely she can get a larger salary or leave.
You read nothing of what I wrote clearly. Congrats I guess? Please read.
richwicks says
This is typical. I'm disgusted with you, I'm not jealous of you.
You are though. You do nothing. You program computers/sites and do nothing else. Bitch here to an active crowd of 50 and maybe 500 active lurkers. You're not elected. You just like to bitch. You don't read anyone's comments. You repeatedly bitch about the same thing over and over. Let me know how this comment is about Iraq and WMD's and you know all. Or that you're the fucking dog whisperer or something and know it all. You know dick and you know it.
When was the last time you even left California? Did anything of note? You sit here and bitch and moan yet do NOTHING about it. Informing people that aren't going to listen to you because it's an online forum is a waste of everyone's time. Have a fucking human conversation. I'd believe you're a bot/AI, but Patrick says he's met you. You don't bring any content to this site. Just whining and not reading.
Do something.
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SB 553, introduced by Silicon Valley’s State Sen. Dave Cortese (D-Cupertino), is described as a bill to prevent and monitor “workplace violence.” But it also includes a provision that “every employer shall establish, implement, and maintain, at all times in all of the employer’s facilities, a workplace violence prevention plan for purposes of protecting employees and other personnel from aggressive and violent behavior at the workplace” that “shall include … [p]rovisions prohibiting the employer from maintaining policies that require employees to confront active shooters or suspected shoplifters.”
As San Francisco Bay Area Fox affiliate KTVU reported, retail associations are furious, believing that the bill will tell potential thieves that they can steal goods at will:
[O]ver 50 organizations, including the California Retailers Association, (CRA) don’t support the bill.
“This bill goes way too far, number one, where I think it will open the doors even wider for people to come in and steal from our stores.”
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The CRA says if SB 553 becomes law, it will need to apply to all industries and not just retail. They also say most retailers already prohibit regular employees from approaching anyone about stolen merchandise and have some employees who are trained in theft prevention.
“It says no employee can approach someone who is shoplifting. So even if someone is trained on how to deter someone from doing that, now they’re not allowed to approach someone. So, what does that mean? We are opening up the door to allow people to walk into stores, steal and walk out,” Michelin said.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/06/07/california-senate-passes-bill-preventing-employers-from-requiring-staff-to-stop-shoplifters/