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NDrLoR says

There used to be an assumption that most people had a built-in moral compass that prevented things like this, but that has slowly eroded away with the entitlement mentality of the past several decades. Now it's you owe me and by golly I'm going to take it.

It's mostly black people getting more bold.

Onvacation says

Can employees steal without being fired now?

I'd guess this is where 20 to maybe 50% of the theft comes from. And it's not necessarily NOT paying for it.

I had leeway to mark things down in the sporting goods department for a high school job. I did. Then I bought it 80% reduced price. Kind of theft, kind of not. Employees steal more than people understand. Hell my gas is paid for by my wife's company and I don't work for it. Thing is it's the little things that aren't technically illegal that people get away with. Wife sells $6,000,000 annually cash and my $2,000 of gas is a nothing burger. And they know.

I wouldn't advise any employee to stop a theft in action though. Easy way to get yourself killed or hurt. You then lose your job and try to sue the business, and maybe get lucky.

I have a retired friend who's wife worked part-time at a suburban Walmart. Her job was to check receipts on big ticket items at the front of the store. The husband told me that the store was frequented by blacks due to its proximity to a neighboring town that has a high black population. He told me that "every single work night, his wife encountered people walking out the door with expensive items. The stated policy of management was to "let them go and do not confront them." Word must have spread regarding this policy because the 'loss' for this store doubled in only one year, from $1 million to $2 million.

Also, the store was pressured to hire minority workers, so they did. Numerous cashiers were caught, and fired, for ringing up only a fraction of very large orders for their friends and family members. This practice was so common that cashiers were a revolving door, when one was fired only to be replaced by another that was caught doing the very same thing.

My friend's wife thought working part-time at Walmart would be a fun experience. She quit after having her taste of the real world.

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WookieMan says

I had leeway to mark things down in the sporting goods department for a high school job. I did. Then I bought it 80% reduced price

It would have been smarter to have a friend do the actual purchasing part.

Booger says

It would have been smarter to have a friend do the actual purchasing part.

And just as dishonest while implying your friends are as crooked as you. Do you folks hear yourselves?

BigSky says

Booger says

It would have been smarter to have a friend do the actual purchasing part.

And just as dishonest while implying your friends are as crooked as you. Do you folks hear yourselves?

I was 17 dude. I'm sure you're perfect.

WookieMan says

I was 17 dude. I'm sure you're perfect.

Not at all. At that age I was a total delinquent that stole frequently, but I will admit that those were the acts of a thief. But as an adult I changed my behavior. The issue is not that you were only 17, it is that today you consider the activity you did then as not really stealing, and even today you said you pilfer gas from your wife's employer. Kid's make mistakes, which is why it was my policy was never to prosecute anyone under 18 for shoplifting or pilfering. A adult should have matured to the point of having integrity.

@patrick

What happened to comment 21 above?

WookieMan says

Hell my gas is paid for by my wife's company and I don't work for it. Thing is it's the little things that aren't technically illegal that people get away with. Wife sells $6,000,000 annually cash and my $2,000 of gas is a nothing burger. And they know.

You don't think for a moment "am I possibly a kind of shitty person?"

I wouldn't notice spending an extra $2,000 a year, that's why I wouldn't be a thief. It's not about money, it's about personal integrity. Doesn't this even occur to you?

On Gutfield last night kevin O’Leary said the retail industry standard for shrinkage is 2%.

He said the standard in San Francisco is 12%.

If you don’t understand how astonishingly bad that is, you should really rethink your life and the poor choices you have made.

This new law is yet another push towards communism by the Evan Lows and Richard Pans of the Democrat party. An attempt to vicariously claim via lie that people steal because they are poor and victims of systemic racism, another fabricated fairly tale of the communists. All of this is to devalue physical possessions…similar to how Newsome and Eric Garcetti repeatedly lied and said that the homeless deserve compassion and all sorts of chow meow while allowing the homeless population to grow unchecked.

How Garcetti is getting away with his actions while Karen Bass is actually reducing LA’s homeless population is beyond me.

https://www.cashtechcurrency.com/blog/what-is-shrinkage-and-how-is-it-affecting-your-retail-business#:~:text=It%20can%20come%20in%20myriad,2%25%20of%20sales%20in%20retail.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

This new law is yet another push towards communism by the Evan Lows and Richard Pans of the Democrat party. An attempt to vicariously claim via lie that people steal because they are poor and victims of systemic racism, another fabricated fairly tale of the communists.

And if they are successful at implementing Communism, there will be no mercy for anyone who steals from a State Store (provided they actually have stock to steal).

BigSky says

patrick

What happened to comment 21 above?

@BigSky

The main rule on patrick.net is that no user may deliberately personally insult another user.

That comment was definitely a personal insult. Please don't do that.

See "Site Rules" in https://patrick.net/post/1277846/2015-02-09-an-antidote-to-corporate-media

It's much more relaxed than most sites, except for that thing about not personally insulting each other. I disallow personal insults because insults kill productive conversation dead, instantly.

RayAmerica says

The stated policy of management was to "let them go and do not confront them."

What is the point of checking receipts at the door then? Just to keep track of how many people stole things?

Karloff says

RayAmerica says

The stated policy of management was to "let them go and do not confront them."

What is the point of checking receipts at the door then? Just to keep track of how many people stole things?

Smoke and mirrors. Mostly it’s to try and convince others not to steal.

The whole concept right now is completely retarded. You can’t have a civilization without some sort of enforcement mechanism. Once fully implemented, as head set said, the laws will again be enforced. It’s exactly how nefarious the Democrats in California are. Those Democrats pushing all of this really just want their seat at the fat pig table once the changes are made. The mouth breathing morons that vote for them don’t realize they are voting for their own doom and the happy faggots want to celebrate men giving the ol in n out to another man’s rectum and don’t realize how truly fucked they will be under the new regime.

Patrick says

That comment was definitely a personal insult.

How? I criticized the behavior of one who trivialized theft, albeit a bit strong. When one brags about stealing, I do not think it is inappropriate to tell him he may want to check his integrity.

Onvacation says

Can employees steal without being fired now?

Right. Can politicians....businesses steal without consequences now? The shite starts at the stop and flows down.

CA raised the grand theft limit to $950 a while back. And now they passed a bill making it illegal for employer to require employees to confront thieves/shoplifters.

For their safety, I don’t think employees should do this anyway and I don’t think it was happening much.

With shoplifting there was always grey area… if I walk out with these, will someone confront me. What risk am I taking by trying to walk out with his iPhone charger?

But with this bill, isn’t it open season? $950 and it’s illegal to try and stop me?

For the record, I don’t give much of a shit about corporations and their profits. However, I’m seeing a lot more shit locked up in stores and store theft is all over nextdoor with people saying that so and so just walked right out without paying.

Thoughts?

BayArea says

Thoughts?

There has always existed a rather thin line that separates our society from the law-abiding to the lawless. That line has now been officially crossed by the lawless, along with those politicians that support them, and the results will be continual chaos.

BigSky says

Not at all. At that age I was a total delinquent that stole frequently, but I will admit that those were the acts of a thief. But as an adult I changed my behavior. The issue is not that you were only 17, it is that today you consider the activity you did then as not really stealing, and even today you said you pilfer gas from your wife's employer. Kid's make mistakes, which is why it was my policy was never to prosecute anyone under 18 for shoplifting or pilfering. A adult should have matured to the point of having integrity.

You straightened your shit out, because of the ramifications of your actions. Had their not been any consequences, you would be a bigger thief today.
Consequences are the greatest ager of all.

BayArea says

CA raised the grand theft limit to $950 a while back. And now they passed a bill making it illegal for employer to require employees to confront thieves/shoplifters.

For their safety, I don’t think employees should do this anyway and I don’t think it was happening much.

With shoplifting there was always grey area… if I walk out with these, will someone confront me. What risk am I taking by trying to walk out with his iPhone charger?

But with this bill, isn’t it open season? $950 and it’s illegal to try and stop me?

For the record, I don’t give much of a shit about corporations and their profits. However, I’m seeing a lot more shit locked up in stores and store theft is all over nextdoor with people saying that so and so just walked right out without paying.

Thoughts?

A combination of these 2 things makes everyone pay more for goods as retailers have to charge more to compensate for theft losses. This will drive more retailers out of business, especially the mom and pop shops, while it’s good for on-line retailers like AMZN. My 2 cents.

richwicks says

You don't think for a moment "am I possibly a kind of shitty person?"

I wouldn't notice spending an extra $2,000 a year, that's why I wouldn't be a thief. It's not about money, it's about personal integrity. Doesn't this even occur to you?

Integrity? This surely is in jest. How about the company stealing from my wife by not paying her what anyone with those sales numbers makes. They're taking $200k at least for themselves. And she goes above and beyond helping the other sales people.

There is no integrity in business, government or life. Churches are diddling kids and just paid money to make it "go away" and you're worried about 0.03% of sales my wife EARNED. You're extremely naivie to think there's an ounce of integrity around you.

Also my role in the household allows my wife to be successful. Her boss pays me more in a day for grilling at company parties than her daily base salary pays. Unless the company hits hard times, he doesn't care and I know him. I just can't talk to him about my wife's pay. That's on her. We're also talking 0.03% and that's just her sales. She's trained all the other ones to sell and it's not a traditional sales style. Because of her, the company owns the whole Mississippi river states sales territory.

This is the classic response we get and I'm used to it. Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow. P Diddy. Mo money mo problems. And it's true and we live it. Integrity has different forms. Don't worry about how my life operates and the OWNER knows about us doing it. He just doesn't say anything because he doesn't want to piss off the rainmaker and plant the seed so other salespeople think they can do it.

Has nothing to do with integrity. Own a business and let me know if riding your employees on every little thing works out. You won't have employees....

RayAmerica says

BayArea says

Thoughts?

There has always existed a rather thin line that separates our society from the law-abiding to the lawless. That line has now been officially crossed by the lawless, along with those politicians that support them, and the results will be continual chaos.

Here's the problem. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOING ON!!! I have massive trust issues. Anyone non-family that is close to me I've done background searches on. My kids friends family, I do sex offender searches when they get new friends. I know what half the people we know make and I never asked.

Most people simply are not informed about what is going on around them. While being an insomniac is not pleasant it does give me time to find shit out on people. Also networking/knowing people. I just hung out with the village president last night. Her son came over to our house for a sleep over. Know the people that pull the strings. Integrity shouldn't be a word in the dictionary if you know what the fuck is going on. YOU ALL violate integrity and you know it. The hypocrisy is hysterical.

Tenpoundbass says

You straightened your shit out, because of the ramifications of your actions.

Not a fear of ramifications like jail or punishment, but a self-realization from a talk with my dad and later from a very respected friend describing how he himself works to stay honest. I know that I am not naturally honest like some few I have met, but I know and make an effort to avoid the blatant acts.

WookieMan says

How about the company stealing from my wife by not paying her what anyone with those sales numbers makes.

So now it is reparations? If your wife is not being paid enough, then she should ask for a raise or work for an employer who will pay her more. If no raise is forthcoming and no other employer will pay her more, then she is being paid what she is worth. That is true for any employee.

WookieMan says

Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow.

How arrogant and how grabbing at straws. Nobody is jealous of you, anymore than anyone who protests Lia Thomas is just jealous of "her" winning. Most people on this blog seem to be well accomplished on their own.

BigSky says

So now it is reparations? If your wife is not being paid enough, then she should ask for a raise or work for an employer who will pay her more. If no raise is forthcoming and no other employer will pay her more, then she is being paid what she is worth. That is true for any employee.

You make me laugh. She's offered other jobs almost daily. We've almost moved to CO and CA. Our cost of living is 50% below those two states at minimum and she'd make the same. So I don't get what you mean by reparations. She's not paid what she's worth. That's her problem. I can spend $2k on gas and the company doesn't care. In one weekend at the Ozark's coming up this fall it will be $10k easy in one weekend. $1k of that being gas for a 56' boat.

You guys don't know my life, yet have opinions that aren't based in reality. I live a different life than you or anyone else on this site. We live frugally, but the optics make it look like we travel and do all this other shit. Part of that's my fault.

Don't get pigeon hole'd into what life should be. You don't know mine. If my wife doesn't want to ask for more that's on her, not me. 25 years this November. In modern times let me know if you've been with the same person that long. I'm doing something right...

BigSky says

WookieMan says

Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow.

How arrogant and how grabbing at straws. Nobody is jealous of you, anymore than anyone who protests Lia Thomas is just jealous of "her" winning. Most people on this blog seem to be well accomplished on their own.

No. It's reality. I live it every day.

How long have you been here? Eman which I do believe is a successful RE investor gets shit on by some users over his success. Jealousy is rampant in our society. That's what leads to theft going back to the OP. People want what they cannot have. Would you turn down a hot wife that makes $300k?

Like I said, I live it everyday and know the personalities that come with it. Your comments are right on par with jealously. It's fine. I was once jealous of a lot of things. I changed that. I hope you enjoy Montana though. I like Moonlight Basin myself. Not rich enough for Yellowstone Club.

WookieMan says

Integrity has different forms.

Oh yes, the old sliding scale of ethics. Perhaps that church you mentioned that diddles kids and pays to make it go away considers such action to comply with their "form" of integrity. After all, the church support lots of charities and there are people out in the world who start wars. Absurd, yes, but no more so than any argument that justifies a dishonest action based on "everyone else is doing it or worse."

WookieMan says

Would you turn down a hot wife that makes $300k?

I would accept your offer but I am already married.

WookieMan says

People want what they cannot have.

Yes, that is the basis of Capitalism (change cannot have to do not currently have) . But so is honest pursuit of what one desires.

WookieMan says

I hope you enjoy Montana though.

Thanks, but I was more with ranches than with resorts.

WookieMan says

25 years this November. In modern times let me know if you've been with the same person that long.

Yep, both of us married only once and still together since 1995. I was quite the man whore in my 20s though, but got that all out of my system before settling down.

BigSky says

But so is honest pursuit of what one desires.

If you think anyone around you is operating honestly, you're sadly mistaken is all I'll say. That includes family and friends. You may not operate that way, 90-95% do. It's the classic don't hate the player hate the game.

No matter how nice anyone seems, they'll take from you. Trust me. Maybe you've lived it, maybe not. I don't condone it, but sometimes you play the game is all. We all do at some point whether we know it or not.

Back to Montana. I get no one likes Big Lie, you should know the joke if you live(d) near that region. What area do you like? I like snowboarding and unfortunately along with that comes resorts. It is nice though. Spanish Peaks to the North are beautiful in the summer.

Eman says

A combination of these 2 things makes everyone pay more for goods as retailers have to charge more to compensate for theft losses.

Yes indeed.
A Homeland Security Investigations report published in June 2022 said the average U.S. family will have to pay more than $500 a year extra for goods due to the impact of organized retail theft.

BayArea says

For the record, I don’t give much of a shit about corporations and their profits. However, I’m seeing a lot more shit locked up in stores and store theft is all over nextdoor with people saying that so and so just walked right out without paying.

I don't give a crap about corporations, but if a corporation can't make a profit, they pack up and leave.

People might end up in neighborhoods where they simply can't purchase anything because there's no stores there. That's the threat.

BigSky says

Kid's make mistakes, which is why it was my policy was never to prosecute anyone under 18 for shoplifting or pilfering

Dude, just give them community service. You don't have to screw them 6 ways from sunday, all you need to do is make them experience a consequence once.

Shoplifters aren't really stealing from the store, so much as they are stealing from everybody that goes to that store. Prices just adjust.

WookieMan says

Integrity? This surely is in jest. How about the company stealing from my wife by not paying her what anyone with those sales numbers makes.

Then she can ask for a raise, or quit and get another job. You have an entitlement complex. If she's so valuable and indispensable, surely she can get a larger salary or leave.

WookieMan says

This is the classic response we get and I'm used to it. Jealousy of others is a tough pill to swallow.

This is typical. I'm disgusted with you, I'm not jealous of you.

You have any idea how easy it is to take advantage of the public? I could create an instant messenger that I CLAIM is 100% secure, and then make up a shadow company in another nation and sell any information I get off from it to the highest bidder.

It's trivial to make money, if you're a shitty person. If you're willing to be a piece of garbage, it's easy. I've been torn with this dilemma. I could EASILY go down the road of "well, these assholes are stupid, barely human anyhow, will believe any nonsense, they're gullible, fuck 'em". It's not a good existence to live with that attitude. Trust me.

richwicks says

Then she can ask for a raise, or quit and get another job. You have an entitlement complex. If she's so valuable and indispensable, surely she can get a larger salary or leave.

You read nothing of what I wrote clearly. Congrats I guess? Please read.

richwicks says

This is typical. I'm disgusted with you, I'm not jealous of you.

You are though. You do nothing. You program computers/sites and do nothing else. Bitch here to an active crowd of 50 and maybe 500 active lurkers. You're not elected. You just like to bitch. You don't read anyone's comments. You repeatedly bitch about the same thing over and over. Let me know how this comment is about Iraq and WMD's and you know all. Or that you're the fucking dog whisperer or something and know it all. You know dick and you know it.

When was the last time you even left California? Did anything of note? You sit here and bitch and moan yet do NOTHING about it. Informing people that aren't going to listen to you because it's an online forum is a waste of everyone's time. Have a fucking human conversation. I'd believe you're a bot/AI, but Patrick says he's met you. You don't bring any content to this site. Just whining and not reading.

Do something.

WookieMan says

You are though. You do nothing. You program computers/sites and do nothing else. Bitch here to an active crowd of 50 and maybe 500 active lurkers. You're not elected.

We don't even live in a democratic system. You still don't realize that yet. We haven't been in any sort of democratic system since at least 1988.

You can't fix a problem if you refuse to acknowledge it.

I thought, naively, that when everything could be exposed by creating a world wide network, people would stop listening to propaganda, and bullshit, and finally see the obvious and acknowledge it and deal with it, but instead they double down on their error. The older the generation the more lost they are, the more denial they are in. The only hope is the younger generation, they are FAR quicker to realize they've been tricked, I have never gotten a boomer to admit they've been propagandized into something, ever. Much easier to do with a millennial, meaning, it's at least possible.

Look at this pandemic bullshit. CLEARLY it was bullshit. "The unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated" - I never imagined even 4 years ago, ANYBODY would be so fucking stupid as to believe that, but they do. My mistake, was DRASTICALLY over-estimating the intelligence of people. I am seriously at this point wondering if these "people" are people. Are they really human, if they just repeat what a television box told them? They don't even do cursory thinking.

You're oblivious yourself. You see absolutely nothing wrong with shitty things you do, even when it's pointed out to you. You're a thief, you justify it because your "wife is worth more" - well maybe, it's easy to put that to the test. Talk her boss, and let him know explicitly he pays for your transportation. Ah, I bet you're NOW thinking - "oh, that might be a problem, sure as hell won't do that!"

You come to a conclusion first, then you search for ways to justify it. You won't test your conclusion, that might mean you're wrong, and it could put you in considerable jeopardy.

WookieMan says

When was the last time you even left California?

About 8 months ago.

WookieMan says

Did anything of note? You sit here and bitch and moan yet do NOTHING about it.

Can't really discuss in detail what I'm doing.