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richwicks says

Israeli intelligence is very organized. There's no possible way they didn't see this coming, which means they caused it.

Or they are only competent like our own intel agencies when it comes to spying on their domestic political targets ?

FBI is brilliant at targeting bumbling MAGA/January 6 protestors, but it is the Keystone Cops as far as stopping Chicom espionage, AntiFa mass murderers like the shooter at the Christian school in Nashville, etc.

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ad says

richwicks says

Israeli intelligence is very organized. There's no possible way they didn't see this coming, which means they caused it.

Or they are only competent like our own intel agencies when it comes to spying on their domestic political targets ?

Yep.

Taking their eye off the ball too busy going after Netanyahu.

"Israel Denies Leaked Claim That Spy Agency Leaders Encouraged Protest"
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/08/world/middleeast/israel-mossad-leaked-documents-pentagon.html

RayAmerica says

Israel at War: Over 600 Israelis murdered in Hamas massacre

Israel's Embassy to the United States reported over 100 soldiers and civilians were kidnapped into Gaza • More than 2,000 wounded

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/2023-10-07/live-updates-762053

As is typical, it's the innocent civilians, on both sides, that will pay the ultimate price for this latest round of insanity.

How can we sure it's really happening and not simply a fake crisis to syphon 10% to the Big Guy?

RWSGFY says

Israel at War: Over 600 Israelis murdered in Hamas massacre

Almost half were murdered at the rave music and peace festival in southern Israel. The Islamic terrorists are kidnapping like they did in the 1970s such as during the 1972 Olympics.
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Warmonger Senator Lindsey Graham Warns if Hezbollah Intervenes in Israel-Palestine Conflict, U.S. MUST RESPOND Against Iran

"It is long past time for the Iranian terrorist state to pay a price for all the upheaval and destruction being sown throughout the region and world."

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/warmonger-senator-lindsey-graham-warns-if-hezbollah-intervenes/

The NeoCons have been looking for an excuse to go to war with Iran since 9/11. With China and Russia allied with Iran, this just might be what they need to start WW III.

RayAmerica says

The NeoCons have been looking for an excuse to go to war with Iran since 9/11. With China and Russia allied with Iran, this just might be what they need to start WW III.

I guess I'm a "NeoCon" if I'm not cool with Russia's invasion of Ukraine and feral Islamist's rape and murder of innocent Jews at raves and bus stops.

I'm a NeoCon if I'm not down with the whole BLM/Decolonization bullshit struggle here at home and abroad.

The Socialists are out in full force today around the world marching in solidarity with Islamist butchers despite yesterday's depravity.

I know what side I'm on.

I guess now that the Uky operation is a lost cause, a new front, replete with $billions in money-laundering activities, must be opened. Why not "our" good friend Israel - well, maybe not technically, since it was the West Bank, but what's a globohomo to quibble with details?

richwicks says

If you want to make a change, murder the fucking leader, that will give the next leader some pause about what they are doing, but STRANGELY this never happens. Why?

The fact that it's always random civilians getting killed and never the people at the top is good evidence that the people at the top are just playing a game by getting some of their own pawns killed to manipulate public sympathy.

So I suspect that the Hamas attack was either organized by, or permitted to happen by AIPAC or the Israeli government. All for the media coverage and public sympathy. I can't prove it, but it doesn't make sense that Israel was surprised by such an attack.

Just after writing that, I opened this, which says about the same thing:

https://newsparadigm.substack.com/p/like-the-911-inside-job-israel-coincidently

Like the 9/11 Inside Job, Israel Coincidentally Suffers the Same Intelligence Failures in the Purported Hamas Attack. Who Really Controls HAMAS?

Efrat Fenigson and others view this incident as a false flag and government sponsored terrorist event.

stereotomy says

I guess now that the Uky operation is a lost cause, a new front, replete with $billions in money-laundering activities

I suspect the West will push Zelensky to accept a cease fire and let Russia control Donbas and Crimea. If not, then they'll figure out how to make Zelensky lose in the 2024 election.

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Yet another article about how the Hamas attack was likely allowed to happen to promote Israel PR goals:

https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/dying-cabals-final-play-sneak-attack

Dying Cabal's Final Play? Sneak Attack On World's Most Advanced Military Surveillance Power, Horrific Images From Israel: Netanyahu: "We Will Turn Gaza Into A Deserted Island"

But Why Were Border Crossings Reportedly Wide Open? Weary World Sees All Telltale Signs Of Planned Events With Planned Outcomes

FFS - here we go with the conspiracy retardation.

Apparently the thousands of Hamas Jihadis that carried out this sophisticated attack have absolutely no agency and it was all the work of the Joos pulling the strings.

Patrick says

Yet another article about how the Hamas attack was likely allowed to happen to promote Israel PR goals:

https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/dying-cabals-final-play-sneak-attack

Dying Cabal's Final Play? Sneak Attack On World's Most Advanced Military Surveillance Power, Horrific Images From Israel: Netanyahu: "We Will Turn Gaza Into A Deserted Island"

But Why Were Border Crossings Reportedly Wide Open? Weary World Sees All Telltale Signs Of Planned Events With Planned Outcomes

It's like Israel has gone Full Democtat. Never go Full Democrat...or even a little bit Democrat.

richwicks says

Matt Groening is from Evergreen, Bret Weinstein taught there.

I think Groening graduated from Evergreen when Culture Club was in the top 10. Weinstein was intimidated by Faculty, Staff, and Students and sued their asses and won.

richwicks says

NO. Biden is a man that is out of his mind

I said (emphasis mine):

AmericanKulak says

The Biden Admin is FUCKING TERRIFIED.

richwicks says

Israeli intelligence is very organized. There's no possible way they didn't see this coming, which means they caused it.

The CIA and NSA didn't see the Indian bomb coming. Intel Agencies make mistakes. Hamas is always training with firearms. They might have had a clue something was in the works, but not the attacks against the many 10s of kilometers of simple barbed wire with dozers. The usual parading for the cameras around the concrete walls and gate areas.

Patrick says

But Why Were Border Crossings Reportedly Wide Open? Weary World Sees All Telltale Signs Of Planned Events With Planned Outcomes

Hamas unusually did NOT attack the Crossings; the went to the simple fence and barbed wire facing the rural areas of Gaza rather than the few roads in and out.

Here's some more food for thought: So what if they knew or suspected more than the usual?

The behavior of Hamas was shown.

No more Gaza, Know more Peace. Forget the smart bombs, just carpet bomb and be done with the whole thing, enough of the endless conflict.

After all, if Assad Muh Mighty Lion Daddy could level half of Hama and kill at least 50,000 of them over a month and deport 100,000 more, what's good for the "Poor Misunderstood Syrian Government" is good for Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Hama_massacre

BTW, I'm not so sure Iran and not Qatar or Turkey or Syria. Or all four.

After all the Chief of Hamas lives in a luxury home in Qatar as did Mashal before him. Why not bomb a nice oil terminal there as a friendly message?

By the way, I watched all the ANSWER/IfNotNow/BLM Pro-Pakistine marchers in Philly, Chicago, NYC. All Visa overstays, dual/triple citizens, crossdressers, and antifa.

Patrick says

Like the 9/11 Inside Job, Israel Coincidentally Suffers the Same Intelligence Failures in the Purported Hamas Attack.

What I find is odd is why such a coordinated attack did not include MANPADs or drones. Surly Hamas expected IAF retaliatory attacks, so why no shoulder fired anti-aircraft waiting? The attackers had paragliders, but not drones to hit houses of high politicians or crater a runway?

AmericanKulak says

deport 100,000 more

Gaza is 141 square miles and has a population of about 2.4 million.

I am not sure where you can send a lot of them even if they are not terrorists or unruly type.

Who wants them ? We are taking in most of Central America's and Venezuela's unwanted masses.

Send them to the Sinai peninsula or west of that.

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Now that was quick. We need to go to WAR with Iran (and its allies China & Russia) because a "new report" (the source of which is not named) states that IRAN planned the whole attack.

Is there anyone here other than socal2 that is going to enlist in order to fight in WW III?

CONFIRMED: Iran Planned and 'Green-Lit' Murderous Hamas Attacks on Israel

A new report is shedding light on how Hamas managed to pull off its violent invasion of Israel on Saturday. Possibly thousands are dead in the wake of the Palestinian terror spree, in which women and children were indiscriminately murdered in the streets.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/10/09/confirmed-iran-planned-and-green-lit-murderous-hamas-attacks-on-israel-n2164840

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/all-this-death-is-the-fault-of-the?publication_id=82124&post_id=137788966&isFreemail=true&r=6gdz

I see no reason to speculate whether the Hamas offensive was allowed to happen at this time when coming events will show how likely that was. If there’s just a lot of violence and then it goes back to more or less the status quo, Israeli intelligence probably did just massively faceplant and miss extensive preparations for an attack which included training for air and sea assaults. If new agendas are rolled out that wouldn’t have been consented to without the attack, chances are much higher it was allowed; the more far-reaching the agendas, the greater the likelihood.

Reasonable point.

We can get a better idea of whether this attack was encouraged and allowed by what they try to do with it as a result.

https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/the-october-surprise

One point brought up early by a few was the singular level of Intelligence failure, both American and Israeli on not foreseeing this attack. Israel is considered the world's second-largest surveillance state (China being first, America third), and its Intelligence service is known to be among the most advanced on the planet, even superior to America’s capabilities. ...

How did both Intel services miss this ? Of course, the conspiracy comes in, and I am one to indulge in conspiracies from time to time, that the Israeli political elite let this happen so they could have an excuse to decimate Gaza. Another angle is their Prime Minister, suffering protests because of his unpopular choices, let this happen to unite the public under one banner. Nothing moves hearts and minds as the respective of an Israeli 9/11.

ad says

Or they are only competent like our own intel agencies when it comes to spying on their domestic political targets ?

Our intelligence agencies ARE competent. When they commit a crime or a false flag, they always claim incompetence. Everybody in government does this. If this was real incompetence, people would get fired, watch them get promoted instead.

RayAmerica says

Now that was quick. We need to go to WAR with Iran (and its allies China & Russia) because a "new report" (the source of which is not named) states that IRAN planned the whole attack.

Is there anyone here other than socal2 that is going to enlist in order to fight in WW III?

CONFIRMED: Iran Planned and 'Green-Lit' Murderous Hamas Attacks on Israel

A new report is shedding light on how Hamas managed to pull off its violent invasion of Israel on Saturday. Possibly thousands are dead in the wake of the Palestinian terror spree, in which women and children were indiscriminately murdered in the streets.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/10/09/confirmed-iran-planned-and-green-lit-murderous-hamas-attacks-on-israel-n2164840

We don't need to go to war with Iran.

Israel needs to level Gaza the way Assad leveled Hama. And maybe bomb a Qatari Oil Terminal.

Trivia; GUESS WHO leader of a terrorist org in the news today went to Soleimani's Funeral in person, and lives in Qatar?

ad says

Send them to the Sinai peninsula or west of that.

Egyptians HATE Palestinians. The news forgets to reports about the Egyptian side of the Gaza border, which is three layers of trenches, barbed wire, and cement walls. Egyptians don't just cap off Palestinian tunnels, they flood them.

Hamas sold weapons to ISIS-in-the-Sinai, whose terror attacks cost Egypt big bucks as there are Red Sea Tourist hotels/beaches plus trips to Mount Sinai. Another reason Egypt hates Palestinians.

socal2 says

I guess I'm a "NeoCon" if I'm not cool with Russia's invasion of Ukraine and feral Islamist's rape and murder of innocent Jews at raves and bus stops.

You're a Neocon if you want another stupid fucking war that has nothing to do with the United States, which we will lose, after we spend a few trillion dollars.

THAT'S what a Neocon is.

ad says

I suspect the West will push Zelensky to accept a cease fire and let Russia control Donbas and Crimea. If not, then they'll figure out how to make Zelensky lose in the 2024 election.

No, they will push Zelenskyy to continue this war until there are literally no Ukrainians left to fight.

HeadSet says

What I find is odd is why such a coordinated attack did not include MANPADs or drones. Surly Hamas expected IAF retaliatory attacks, so why no shoulder fired anti-aircraft waiting? The attackers had paragliders, but not drones to hit houses of high politicians or crater a runway?

The did use drones, they attacked an responding Israeli ambulance with one, video of it is circulating. Also I believe Israeli Apaches have been hit with SA-18 Iglas in the not distant past nearby.

socal2 says

FFS - here we go with the conspiracy retardation.

Apparently the thousands of Hamas Jihadis that carried out this sophisticated attack have absolutely no agency and it was all the work of the Joos pulling the strings.

What will be the result of this?

Will Gaza be free, or will Israel bomb the absolute fuck out of them? You're just too naive, and I don't mean you're stupid, I'm sure you're not, you're too trusting though. This is the country that did the Lavon Affair, and has an intelligence agency's whose motto is officially "through deception we will make war".

I bet Israel is going to retake Gaza, and use this event as their justification. Israel will, in time, take over Gaza and the West Bank entirely. Maybe there will be a few reservations for the Palestinians. I knew this in 2000. Israeli politicians will say, in English, they want a 2 state solution, but they never tell their population that.

The ENTIRE border of the Gaza strip is 32 miles. I don't believe every inch isn't watched.

AmericanKulak says

The CIA and NSA didn't see the Indian bomb coming. Intel Agencies make mistakes. Hamas is always training with firearms. They might have had a clue something was in the works, but not the attacks against the many 10s of kilometers of simple barbed wire with dozers. The usual parading for the cameras around the concrete walls and gate areas.

I don't trust the CIA or NSA to give accurate information to the public, ever. They lie to Congress all the fucking time, they certainly lie to the public.

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richwicks says

No, they will push Zelenskyy to continue this war until there are literally no Ukrainians left to fight.

I disagree as Biden needs to show he brought peace to Ukraine and had a major foreign policy accomplishment leading to his re election bid.

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ad says

I disagree as Biden needs to show he brought peace to Ukraine and had a major foreign policy accomplishment leading to his re election bid.

No, the election was stolen last time. It doesn't matter what Biden does. Whoever is our next president will be another puppet. I bet it's DeSantis and many will celebrate it, and he will be just as worthless and useless as Biden is.

ad says

I disagree as Biden needs to show he brought peace to Ukraine and had a major foreign policy accomplishment leading to his re election bid.

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If this is the case why is he dragging his feet on supplying necessary weapons? He was blocking transfer of old Soviet jets for a whole year , waffling on tanks till the end of 2022 when he agreed to supply whopping 31 of them (a battalion worth?) and they are still not there 10 months later, still playing stupid on long-range tac missiles (ATACMS), etc., etc. The guy is signalling his loser attitude at every turn. It almost looks like he's playing for the other team. Which he might taking into account these $35M ftom Baturina and whatever he got from Zlochevsky who is a known pro-Moscow operative.

Impossible for Mossad to fuck up?

Yom Kippur, 1973. The closest Israel ever got to being obliterated after establishment. Near complete surprise in the scale and style of attack on the Israeli side. Or I could mention Hezbollah's anti-tank capabilities during the last intervention in both tactics and (Russian) armament.

Reasons for Hamas to attack now:

1. Normalization protocol being finalized in Saudi Arabia
2. Qatar being drawn back into the GCC Fold.
3. Both #1 and #2 are threatening developments for both Iran and especially Palistan.

Also it's looking like a lot of the militants were Palistani Islamic Jihad, the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.

RWSGFY says

The guy is signalling his loser attitude at every turn

I think Biden has made a deal with the Kremlin. I heard there were meeting between the USA and Kremlin in Pakistan recently.

So a lot of what you see is because of Biden wanting to unwind the Ukraine war by next spring.

And the Dems need economic recovery or a prosperous economy at least 3 months going into the November 2024 election.

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ad says

And the Dems need economic recovery or a prosperous economy at least 3 months going into the November 2024 election.

Good call.

Desperate to kiss Iranian ass in hopes of adding their oil to the US Market, also.

AmericanKulak says

Desperate to kiss Iranian ass in hopes of adding their oil to the US Market, also.

No, oil is a fungible commodity.

It doesn't matter where it comes from.

Pundit Juan O Savin has taken the view that the Israeli 'distraction' is to draw attention away from further revelations coming up in Congress about China and a much broader range of the political crime families than just Biden. The six billion from Biden Actor Stable to Iran was one criminal enterprise reimbursing another criminal enterprise ahead of time as compensation for the Hamas attack to be executed on Israel. So, Biden Actor Stable (unelected and unidentified Senior Executive Service, originally set up by Bush Nazis) and the Globalistas (aka including Israeli leadership elements) wanted the mess to unfold, with the Israeli population at least a partial sacrificial lamb.

He claims that the detection systems of Israel were neutralized by a technology that is relatively low tech, but highly effective, at preventing ground radar and vibration detectors from working properly. He wasn't specific as to the technology, but said it had been demonstrated to Trump and Congress in the past, but not glamorous enough for major funding. He suggested Israel was not prepared for it (or possibly complicit in allowing it?). Anyway, more cud for the Woosters to chew on.