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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   433,793 views  4,204 comments

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2964   Patrick   2023 Oct 26, 5:41pm  

https://sashastone.substack.com/p/tucker-on-jailing-priests-in-ukraine


Tucker on Jailing Priests in Ukraine

Ep. 34 Of all of Biden’s crimes, backing the Ukrainian government as it throws priests in jail may be the most revealing.
2965   Onvacation   2023 Oct 28, 11:31am  

socal2 says

"Chairman of Russia's oil major Lukoil dies suddenly aged 66"

Was he vaxxed?
2966   Booger   2023 Oct 28, 11:40am  

Onvacation says

socal2 says


"Chairman of Russia's oil major Lukoil dies suddenly aged 66"

Was he vaxxed?


It's Russia, he probably fell out of a window.
2967   Patrick   2023 Oct 31, 9:38am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/stabbed-in-the-bunker-tuesday-october


The article explained, even if the manpower problem could be solved, more aid would just be stolen at this point anyway:

Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely. “Simon, you’re mistaken,” he says. “People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow.”

Doesn’t sound like a very good advertisement for sending even more money to Ukraine, does it?

2969   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Oct 31, 4:59pm  

Patrick says







Even if this one is all made up, you KNOW someone is doing this.
2973   Eric Holder   2023 Nov 2, 4:39pm  

Onvacation says

socal2 says


"Chairman of Russia's oil major Lukoil dies suddenly aged 66"

Was he vaxxed?


Yes. With two vaccines to the head.
2974   Eric Holder   2023 Nov 2, 4:53pm  

Excellent article on how demon rats carried water for the Moscow Nazi regime in their quest to restore the empire and pissing away Reagan's legacy:

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/10/31/ukraines-nukeless-fate-the-untold-story-behind-the-budapest-betrayal/

The article is worth reading in its entirety but these two excerpts serve as a perfect TL;DR :

In April 1993, Kravchuk confided to then-Georgian president Eduard Shevardnadze his “main headache” that “Moscow and the US together have been twisting my arms painfully” in “demanding [the] transfer [of Ukraine’s nuclear weapons] to the Russian Federation.

“I would understand Russia’s nastiness,“ Kravchuk said, “But Americans are even worse—they do not listen to our arguments.“

Shevardnadze stressed that the so-called Russian democrats led by Yeltsin, in fact, didn’t drop imperial ambitions, and that is why Americans are deeply mistaken in trying to make a deal with them at the expense of Ukrainian and other post-Soviet republics’ interests:

“[The Americans] do not know about our terrible, rough relations with the Russian empire [and] the USSR. Without that knowledge, building predictable and trustworthy relations with ‘democratic Yeltsin and Russia’ would be very difficult, whom [the Americans] currently call ‘Russian democrats’…I know many of them, talked to them a lot. They are still sick with imperial infection.”

He went on, referring to his previous job — as Soviet foreign minister:

“Being a member of the Politburo I had access to many confidential and top-secret documents—secret reports, notes, different non-papers elaborated in different Soviet structures—the Central Committee offices, KGB, Military Intelligence, think tanks and so forth…I can say that the documents I have read were just horrible and frightening: about the different scenarios of relations of the Center [Moscow] with the Soviet republics… They included the partition of those republics, expelling their populations to different parts of Siberia and the Soviet Far East—indeed some remote places. To accomplish those goals, they will use military force. All those plans are not archival ones! They are fully intact to be used if Moscow makes that decision.”"

Shevardnadze implored Kravchuk in 1993 to “negotiate so as not to undermine your independence and your security,” saying that “if Ukraine succeeds in keeping at least one nuclear missile as a deterrent,” it will safeguard its independence “from those madmen in the Kremlin.”



...

The history of nuclear disarmament of Ukraine under US pressure becomes even more striking, given that the US knew about Russian intentions to subjugate Ukraine under its control and even considered the Russian invasion of Ukraine possible. Following the final trip to Moscow ahead of the Budapest memorandum, Talbott asked then Secretary of State Warren Christopher rhetorically:

“Do we have good answers to questions about what we’ll do if reality refuses to follow the script we’re writing for it? What if Russia invades Ukraine?”

The question was never considered seriously enough in a theoretical hope that in the future when needed, such a possibility of invasion could be negotiated away with Moscow. Generally, the new imperial ambitions of Moscow were ignored by the US leaders, blinded by the strongly desired illusion of the seemingly democratic new Yeltsin’s Russia.


https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/10/31/ukraines-nukeless-fate-the-untold-story-behind-the-budapest-betrayal/

PS. For historical context , this is Red Army tanks very democratically shelling their own Parliament in Moscow in October of 1993:



2975   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 2, 4:54pm  

Moscow had the control codes anyway.
2976   Misc   2023 Nov 2, 9:16pm  

Whooops, looks like the "frag an officer" campaign by the Ukrainian enlisted soldiers worked. The Ukrainian officers are more scared of their own soldiers than the punishment for disobeying orders from Zelenski. The "Counter Offensive" is over.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-top-commanders-refuse-orders-to-advance-against-putin-in-huge-blow-to-war-effort/ar-AA1jgzFL?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=98239eae60e347ed9f78df5313c785e6&ei=10
2977   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 3, 1:03am  

But...but...the Ukey Nazi Fluffers said that the Russians can't fight the Mighty Ukrainian Armed Forces!!

While Russia will not outright win the war, a Ukrainian victory is becoming less and less likely.


Translation:

> Russian victory is impossible
> Russian victory unlikely (idiots who wrote that are here)
> Russia cannot be allowed to win
> Russia is winning but at what cost?
> Russian victory was inevitable (you are really here)
> Ukraine was a corrupt hellhole anyway
2979   Patrick   2023 Nov 7, 10:51am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/revenge-plots-tuesday-november-7


France 24 ran a freedom-loving story yesterday headlined, “Zelenskyy Calls Holding Elections in Wartime Ukraine 'Utterly Irresponsible’.”

https://www.voanews.com/a/war-on-ukraine-focus-of-russian-economy/7343244.html

It’s true Zelensky said that, but the actual news that happened was Zelensky cancelled another election cycle because Putin. We must save Ukraine to save democracy! We must not let the tiny flicker of democracy fizzle out in Ukraine! Well, we must save the ideal of democracy anyway. Over in Eastern Europe, like in Gaza, democracy per se doesn’t always involve actual elections, not proper ones.

The whole thing is very complicated and you just wouldn’t understand. Don’t bother your pretty little heads about it. Just keep paying your taxes. Freedom!
2980   Ceffer   2023 Nov 7, 11:07am  

The whole concept of democracy has been so thoroughly sharted out of the mouths of the various tyrants, it is another Satanic inversion that creates reflex reflux nausea. Exhaustion and extinction of the Satanic inversion anybody? Do they really think the lies have tread that will last forever?
2984   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 10, 8:03am  

Ukie IFVs crossing Dnipro near Kherson completely unimpeded:

https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1722865419365630250
2985   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 10, 8:13am  

Haha, turns out what you think is your "fresh and independend thoughts" wrt "peace now, now, now" are not exactly fresh or independent:

It is clear that some politicians and media outlets have been promoting a "conflict-freezing" narrative, that bears a striking resemblance to the approach outlined in Russian doctrinal thought.

To delve into it, let's look at an actual professional analysis - the report formulated by The Center for Naval Analyses under the US government contract, which outlines Russian military strategy

In 2021, a team of analysts led by
@KofmanMichael
released a document called "Russian Military Strategy: Core Tenets and Operational Concepts". This paper explores the core tenets of Russian military strategy. The paper states that Russian military strategy reflects that Russia expects to be the militarily inferior party in a regional or large-scale war against a technologically superior adversary.

Of particular relevance to our discussion is this excerpt: "The overall task for Russian military strategy is to prevent an opponent from achieving a decisive outcome during the initial period of war, force them into a conflict of attrition, and inflict costs on their military and economic infrastructure such that they will seek war termination on acceptable terms."

While originally designed for scenarios against a larger adversary like NATO, the core tenet of this strategy applies to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The objective is to hinder Ukraine from achieving decisive outcomes, push Ukraine into attrition, and impose costs on their military and economic infrastructure, compelling them to seek war termination on terms favorable to Russia.

Now, let's step back and examine the strategic objectives of both countries:

- Russia aimed to replace the Ukrainian government, install a puppet regime, and gain control over Ukrainian territory. Failing to achieve these goals, Russia has had to adjust its objectives. Currently, the likelihood of achieving initial goals appears unrealistic.

- Ukraine's strategic goals focus on liberating all its territories and reverting to internationally recognized borders. While Russia struggles to achieve its strategic goals, it retains the ability to thwart Ukraine's strategic goals, evident in events during the counter-offensive in the summer and fall of 2023.

This understanding is crucial. Returning to the document, let's reiterate: "The goal is to prevent the adversary from achieving a decisive outcome, force them into a conflict of attrition, and inflict costs on their military and economic infrastructure such that they will seek war termination on acceptable terms."

In March 2019 at the Russian Academy of Military Sciences, General Gerasimov acknowledged the "emergence of new spheres of confrontation in modern conflicts and methods of warfare increasingly shift towards the integrated application of political, economic, informational, and other nonmilitary measures, realized with reliance on military force."

Russian theorists perceive information warfare as a potent tool capable of disrupting an opponent's command and control, deceiving adversaries, fostering instability within enemy borders, and demoralizing both civilian populations and military forces to the extent that they lose the will to resist.

Let's shift our focus from this research paper once more

This approach is not novel. The strategy of using "frozen conflicts" as a military and political tool has been employed by Russia since the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

The invasion of Moldova by Russian forces and the establishment of the so-called "Transnistria," which persists to this day in Moldova, serves as an example. Russia utilizes this entity to exert influence on Moldova and obstruct Eurointegration processes. This same strategy unfolded in Georgia and later in Ukraine.

When Ukraine opted not to engage with Russia in 2014 during the occupation of Crimea, the so-called "de-escalation" only led to a further invasion of Donetsk oblast by a group of russian operatives led by Girkin (Strelkov).
The Minsk agreements in 2014 and 2015 did not yield results; instead, they were followed by a russian invasion of Ukraine. Adhering to this pattern, now more explicitly outlined in Russian military doctrine, there are no signs that Russia is inclined to abandon or alter this course.
Therefore, any calls for a "frozen conflict" merely play into the achievement of military and political goals outlined in Russian military thought and assist Russia in preparing for the next phase.

In conclusion, it's apt to quote renowned military theorist Carl von Clausewitz: "The aggressor is always peace-loving, he would prefer to take over our country unopposed."


https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1722634361584193643

PS. BTW, the Southern Hamas is kinda using the same strategy as their Northern brother: first attack their neighbor and then cry for "ceasfires" and "humanitarian pauses"
in order to stave off their defeat. Many "independent thinkers" are falling for that one too. So don't be too harsh on Jane Fonda - I bet the bimbo was proud to be an independent thinker too. :D
2986   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 10, 8:37am  

The only one crying for a cease fire right now are the folks in DC.
2987   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 10, 9:31am  

PumpingRedheads says


The only one crying for a cease fire right now are the folks in DC.


Hamas started crying for it almost immediately, which fits the pattern to a tee. The fact that some cunts in DC has joined them means that the strategy works. And why wouldn't it - it worked many times before.
2989   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 10, 12:11pm  

RWSGFY says

Hamas started crying for it almost immediately, which fits the pattern to a tee. The


Russia is not asking for a cease fire. DC is now pushing for it because Ukey is fucked.

Hamas has nothing to do with it, too.
2991   Ceffer   2023 Nov 11, 4:24pm  

When MSM puts Ukraine in the blame barrel, you know it's time for the partition.

2992   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 11, 5:04pm  

Ceffer says

When MSM puts Ukraine in the blame barrel, you know it's time for the partition.




DC can't admit SEAL teams did this or we would be in an open state of war with Russia.
2993   Patrick   2023 Nov 12, 9:21am  

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1723257442342150278





Not sure these images are real. Could be computer generated.
2995   socal2   2023 Nov 14, 5:25pm  

Patrick says

Not sure these images are real. Could be computer generated.


It's real footage. But look at all the green grass and flowers. This is the same recycled Russian footage from this Spring when the Russians first stopped a big Ukrainian counter attack using Bradleys and Leopards.

Ever since and all Summer long, Ukraine has been much more cautious conserving lives by moving slower.

Whereas, Russia has gone bonkers in the last 2 months throwing tens of thousands into the meat grinder trying to take Adiivka.
2996   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 14, 7:29pm  

socal2 says


Whereas, Russia has gone bonkers in the last 2 months throwing tens of thousands into the meat grinder trying to take Adiivka.


They have not thrown tens of thousands trying to take Adviivka.

That's all Ukey propaganda bullshit.

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-reckoning

What they have been doing is surrounding it to cut it off from the Ukraine military and supplies. And they have not lost tens of thousands doing so.
2997   The_Deplorable   2023 Nov 15, 11:23am  

Fake News from The Washington Post: "Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack" https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/

This is bunk. The United States blew up the Nord Stream pipeline and this according to Joe Biden and Victoria Nuland.

See Who Blew Up Nord Stream Pipelines? https://youtu.be/NSZyKYitC3M?t=84
2998   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 17, 9:00am  

It’s Time to End Magical Thinking About Russia’s Defeat

Putin has withstood the West’s best efforts to reverse his invasion of Ukraine, and his hold on power is firm. The U.S. and its allies need a new strategy: containment.


^^^ The gaslighting dam has broken at WSJ ^^^

Once again, kiddies....

> Russian victory is impossible (Ukey Nazi Fluffers are still here)
> Russian victory unlikely
> Russia cannot be allowed to win
> Russia is winning but at what cost?
> Russian victory was inevitable (you are here, WSJ is too but trying to spin it)
> Ukraine was a corrupt hellhole anyway (you are actually here....you always were)
2999   Patrick   2023 Nov 17, 11:07am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/the-heisenberg-effect-friday-november


... For two years, the Journal has resolutely promised that Russia would crumble under Ukrainians’ fierce courage, dissolve under international sanctions, implode due to a lengthy list of allegedly-fatal Putin health problems (six different types of cancer, and counting), wither under a penetrating and glorious Ukrainian Spring Counteroffensive, and be wrestled to the bargaining table, where the former communist empire would be forced to cough up all its annexed territories and the Crimean peninsula to boot.

But um, nope. None of that happened. Not even close. It’s more like the reverse opposite.

Joining Time and NBC, the Wall Street Journal expressed plain pessimism over Ukraine’s plunging prospects:

Putin does not feel any pressure to end the war or worry about his ability to sustain it more or less indefinitely. As winter approaches, the Russian army has mounted a limited ground offensive of its own and surely will expand missile and drone attacks on Ukrainian cities, power plants, industrial sites and other critical infrastructure. ...

Oh. One more question. Since it’s now suddenly “magical thinking” to believe Ukraine can beat Russia, can we get our hundreds of billions of dollars back? Some of us knew it was magical thinking to start with and would like a refund.
3000   Patrick   2023 Nov 17, 11:50am  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/leaving-blobtopia/


Our special event in Ukraine is going so poorly that the very Director of the CIA, William Burns, paid a not-so-secret call on President Zelensky Wednesday. Usually, this sort of call from one polity to another is performed by diplomats. How many of you noticed that Mr. Burns is not a diplomat? Rather, he is the blob’s consigliere, the very guy you don’t want to show up at your door with a message. You might wake up tomorrow with a horse’s severed head under the sheets. Or maybe his message is, we’ve got a nice cozy villa for you down in sunny Tristan da Cunha….

That war is a lost cause, and the cause was extremely stupid in the first place. Do you even remember what it was? I’ll tell you: to prod Russia into destroying itself. Oh? But why? Because, you know . . . Russia (and Trump!). There is your blob logic. Cost us something like $150 billion, a large part of that distributed among Mr. Zelensky’s circle while he sacrificed a whole generation of his country’s young men to Russian artillery fire and leaves what’s left of his sad-ass land an economic basket-case.
3001   socal2   2023 Nov 17, 11:50am  

Money and weapons sent to Ukraine in context.

Best ROI we have ever gotten out of our bloated military budget. Russia's military has been ground down significantly with no easy way to build back up.

Russia would get absolutely smoked fighting a conventional battle against the US or NATO that has advanced airpower.


3002   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 17, 6:48pm  

socal2 says

Best ROI we have ever gotten out of our bloated military budget.


How so? We drew down our reserve stocks so that Israel can't be adequately supported. It has caused tensions to rise between North and South Korea. And Russia is stronger than it was two years ago.

And lots and lots and lots of Ukeys died that didn't have to.

But above all, we spent $$$ that should have never been spent. Comparing it to other things that should also have never been spent is saying 'two wrongs makes a right'.

Oh, and Ukraine is fucked. FUCKED. It was already a demographic disaster before the war. Now it is totally FUBAR.

It has no economy anymore. Everything is being propped up on NATO life support. Pensions, health care, etc. All of it.

You call that best ROI?

socal2 says

Russia would get absolutely smoked fighting a conventional battle against the US or NATO that has advanced airpower.


That's why they won't fight a conventional ear.
3003   socal2   2023 Nov 17, 8:27pm  

PumpingRedheads says

And Russia is stronger than it was two years ago.


Just laughable.

Russia has lost its top Generals, best armor, Crimean Navy bases, Helicopter squadrons.......not to mention all of Wagner and hundreds of thousands of human casualties. Even the most conservative Russian military casualty estimate is appallingly high.

Over 300,000 smart Russians fled the country before the war too.

Russia has half the population of the US and is shrinking fast. This is not WWII with an unending supply of peasants for the meat grinder. Russia can't keep up this level of loss for long.

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