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You guys are talking at cross purposes. Teslas are low to the ground and will fare worse against GMC Suburbans and their like. If you're fucked up and lose control of your car with no one else around, then the Tesla is probably less likely to roll over and kill you.
Teslas are low to the ground and will fare worse against GMC Suburbans and their like
"Just about 15 minutes down the road from Devil’s Slide is Moss Beach Distillery."
A school bus or semi truck will take out a GMC Suburban because it is simply bigger. Hell, a Cybertruck will take them all out. Apples and oranges.
DOGEWontAmountToShit says
"Just about 15 minutes down the road from Devil’s Slide is Moss Beach Distillery."
I've been there. It's OK.
Eric Holder says
Are you implying that the percentage of idiots is higher among Tesla drivers so much so they manage to kill themselves even in Devil Slide proof car?
I'm suggesting that performance cars and muscle cars have higher fatality rates because........they do.
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/latest-driver-death-rates-highlight-dangers-of-muscle-cars
Even base model Teslas are faster and more powerful than most muscle and performance cars. So no surprise that some wine moms driving their 3's and Y's around town might let the car get away from them not realizing the power they have available.
Eh? I have an old RWD sedan which is on par with base RWD Model3 performance-wise (260 hp, 5.8 sec to 60, 145 mph top speed). I don't see it as challenging to drive. Also I've driven Model 3 in both RWD and AWD spec and Model Y LR AWD and again didn't have my socks blown off. These are not Ferraris for sure. Not even V8 Mustangs as far as getting yourself into trouble goes. You can't even disable the electronic nannies. So no, not buying the "supercar in Corolla garb" spin.
My baseline 2021 Model Y is 0-60 in 4.4 sec. I use it to impress people I take on a demo drive. There are other fast cars, most are electric:
https://www.carfax.com/blog/fastest-sedans
Several of these are $100K or more. Out-the-door price on a new Model Y is under $50K without $7500 tax credit.
https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#payment
So much whinging. The Tesla Model X comes in 6 and 7 seat configurations. If you don't like Muh Gullwings, then the Hyundai Ioniq 9 and the Kia EV9 come in a more conventional looking SUV package. Towing in these models is limited to 5000 lbs, so you can't pull a monster RV. That said should be sufficient for WookieMan's daily towing needs. Some even have 120v power outlets so you can convert from gas guzzling mowers/trimmers. Range is 300+ miles. That said, YMMV.
Eh? I have an old RWD sedan which is on par with base RWD Model3 performance-wise (260 hp, 5.8 sec to 60, 145 mph top speed).
Soccer and Wine moms getting a Tesla for a fraction of the cost of sports cars can sometimes let the cars get away from them.
Not knocking you, but men just don't drive them
No utility if you have kids or do stuff.
RWSGFY says
Eh? I have an old RWD sedan which is on par with base RWD Model3 performance-wise (260 hp, 5.8 sec to 60, 145 mph top speed).
The Model 3 Performance has a 0-60 at 2.9 sec. That is night and day difference. My long range Y does it in 4.4 seconds. .
Most people spending extra money to buy muscle cars and sports cars are typically car enthusiasts and know what they are getting. Some people spend thousands of dollars on standard ICE cars for mod packages just to shave half a second on acceleration because it is so noticable. Now imagine shaving nearly 4 seconds off your old RWD sedan!
Soccer and Wine moms getting a Tesla for a fraction of the cost of sports cars can sometimes let the cars get away from them.
So whatever it is, it's not power/torque issue.
Let's not move the goalposts: my humble sedan came into picture as reaction to the assertion that even lowes-spec Teslas are supercars and hence it's normal for their drivers to kill themselves left and right. My sedan is exact performance equivalent of RWD Model 3. And it's not at all dangerous despite comparatively ancient electronics.
Why buy a more expensive, slower, less safe and less fun car to drive around town?
There is plenty of room for my two H.S. aged kids, wife and even mother in law.
RWSGFY says
Let's not move the goalposts: my humble sedan came into picture as reaction to the assertion that even lowes-spec Teslas are supercars and hence it's normal for their drivers to kill themselves left and right. My sedan is exact performance equivalent of RWD Model 3. And it's not at all dangerous despite comparatively ancient electronics.
To reach those speeds in your ICE sedan requires massive intention (flooring it) and you will be hyper aware with the engine noise and quick gear changing.
Tesla's can quickly reach those speeds by barely leaning on the peddle and it is very quiet.
So maybe that makes Tesla's more dangerous to some who are not used to having that much power so easily available?
What if all the excessive death are from the battery fires and hard-to-open doors?
What if all the excessive death are from the battery fires and hard-to-open doors?
driver behavior.
Thousands of new cars are rusting in a parking lot in Germany, no one is buying them anymore.
In the German city of Essen, about 6,000 new cars have filled a parking lot due to high prices and problems with the infrastructure for electric cars.
Among the abandoned cars are models of German auto brands Volkswagen and Audi. According to the employees of the site, the cars have been idle for more than six months.
“I have never encountered anything like this before, although I have been working here for more than 10 years.
Cars are only brought in, but almost no one drives them. People are not ready to pay such money for an electric car, and the development of charging stations and limited driving range scare off buyers," said one of the workers.
-> The government imposed the green agenda, now the carmaker go bankrupt …
A seven seat Tesla Model X:
Versus
Seven seat Sequoia (makes the fifth man get into the third row):
EBGuy says
A seven seat Tesla Model X:
Versus
Seven seat Sequoia (makes the fifth man get into the third row):
Nice try: Sequoia is available with a 2nd row bench making it a 8-pax vehicle. And, unlike Tesla, actual adults can ride in the 3rd.
My long range Y does it in 4.4 seconds. .
Most people spending extra money to buy muscle cars and sports cars are typically car enthusiasts and know what they are getting. Some people spend thousands of dollars on standard ICE cars for mod packages just to shave half a second on acceleration because it is so noticable.
BTW, I would't call driving any Tesla fun, simply due to the harsh ride quality.
Nice try: Sequoia is available with a 2nd row bench making it a 8-pax vehicle. And, unlike Tesla, actual adults can ride in the 3rd.
My B58 Straight-6 engine powered BMW also does 0-60 in that time range, and can run well over 400 miles on a tank of gas (while keeping heat on full blast in winter) then takes only 5min to gas up before repeating. The only times I can push the gas pedal all the way are (1) highway merging, from on-ramp 30mph to 80mph speeding ticket risk takes only about 4 seconds each time; (2) passing other vehicles on two-lane roads (i.e. momentarily on the other side of the dotted median). There is very little chance of doing either in a Tesla or any other battery EV, because the limited range of battery EV means it won't go on road trips, and the high probability of a fiery death in case of any collision damaging lithium battery would dissuade one from trying to pass on dotted median while driving a battery EV.
BTW, I would't call driving any Tesla fun, simply due to the harsh ride quality.
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Electricity for much of the US and world is powered through coal, its just a switch to another equal pollutant. The batteries and materials used in EVs are full of heavy metals, not to mention that when the batteries in an EV combust they fill the air with pollutants, burning heavy metals that fire departments cant extinguish. Lastly, theres not enough data on current EVs to determine their shelf life, given the materials and amount of electronics, i imagine the shelf life of an EV will be significantly shorter than that of an ICE vehicle.
Given all of that, you will still be subject to the bitching and moaning of bugmen and babies who have never changed their oil in their life. The sheer panic that these people attempt to spread and their ever changing timeline of ecological destruction is obnoxious. These arent folks who attempt to clean up India or China(our leading polluters) but they want to concentrate on stripping you of your ability to choose.
The government is only too happy to comply too. The more that bloodsucking government can entangle themselves in transportation, the more control they have over you and your movement. The government gives companies like Tesla "Credits" that they can sell to ICE manufacturers who dont develop EVs, or dont develop them to the point that the government wants. This allows failing EV companies, like Tesla, to stay afloat even though they cant run a business efficiently. Honestly this type of behavior is more akin to a villain from an Ayn Rand novel, both with the governments overreach and with the behavior of many EV owners in general.