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  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Nov 29, 7:09pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

ForcedTQ says
indc says
How are they illegal immigrants if they come to USA on valid visas? Just because ICE wanted to en-trap them with fake university. They should drag ICE through court for entrapment.

80% were just afraid of Law enforcement and went home. They take loans to study abroad for better future and come across this university and apply for it. Come to USA on legal document and then ICE says you are here illegally and they are scared and go home nothing to show for all the money they spent.

How is this right?


If they are here illegally, then they have no protection under the law...


The article doesn't say how they are illegal. It just want to brush everyone with broad brush. They are not here illegally usually.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Nov 30, 8:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
posted for a reader:

you know, a lot of the commenters did not seem to understand why the "visitors" were illegal

some seem to think that "because" they received a legal visa, this means they are not "illegals"

they are "illegals" precisely because they got these visas knowing they were a scam under which they did NOT need to go to school or do any of the other practices that students qua students do, and were just a cover to enter the US illegally

Thus, they obtained the visas under fraudulent pretences, and visas obtained under fraudulent pretenses render those who have obtained them "illegal aliens"

Now, if ICE had set up a real university, and our visitors actually bought textbooks and attended classes and could get degrees, then and ONLY THEN would the "student visas" actually be real student visas

THERE IS NO ENTRAPMENT HERE -- THE CRIMINALS COMMITTED THE CRIME THEY SOUGHT TO COMMIT, AND THEY GOT CAUGHT. TOUGH SHIT!!!


I would like to know if it is by a lawyer or some random douche.



Here is a discussion with a lawyer its 9-months old though.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 1, 7:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So you all want to believe your own prejudices than know facts. I would like to answer that guy directly. Where did you get the comment from @Patrick. From same article?
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 1, 9:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick, the anonymous poster and all other posters defending ICE. It is funny how you decide who is legal who is illegal without knowing any facts or how the system works.

Here is how this system worked:
International students applied for Farmigton Univ. They let any tom, dick and harry to apply and gave them I-20 so that they can apply for student visa.
Student paid the fees for school. bought a flight ticket and flew to an alien country hoping for better future,
Once here the university told them that they dont have to register for any classes yet. They can work or do anything they want. They can register for any course later. This is illegal. But the students were told that this is new normal and there is no problem doing it.
These 18 to 19yr old were more than happy to make some money before starting their school.

Next come other group:
These students had some problem with their old university. They were working using their CPT something. Once their univ was de-recognised they had to find another University to be in status. These students applied for farmington univ to keep their student status. When they went to the Univ to register for classes they were told that University was not offering any classes yet and they can continue working and will be informed when classes are ready.

Now coming to your prejudices:
They are here illegally - Not, but what they did was illegal which they were pushed to do by the Univ i.e ICE
They were cutting lines - Not. There were not in any line to cut
They are rich indian kids - Not. Rich indian kids go to Univ which can be easily bribed like Harvard, IVY league and others.
They bring in 500k and become citizens - Not they want to work and save money for their school.

80% of students self deported because they did not know their rights. They were just young-adults who were afraid of the US justice system and went home spending all their parents savings just because ICE wanted make an example of some dumb kids.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 2, 8:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
mell says
They were cutting lines - Not. There were not in any line to cut


What?

They are overtly attempting fraud exactly and only to skip the legal immigration process which law-abiding applicants are obeying.

If that isn't cutting in line, what is?


Student visa is non-immigrant visa. So how is that any kind of 'line" cutting.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 2, 10:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rd6B says
indc says
Student visa is non-immigrant visa. So how is that any kind of 'line" cutting.

It is not line-cutting, it is just plain fraud. Note that students were in US already, probably flunked out of other school.


How is this fraud? Did they gain something at expense of others? What was that they gained?
Lets assume they flunked? How is that related to immigration topic. They can flunk and apply for another university, flunk again and apply to another university. As long as they are paying their fees how does it matter for topic of ICE en-traping them.

Student visa is a glorified tourist visa. One can spend longer time in US.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 2, 12:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rd6B says
indc says
Student visa is a glorified tourist visa.

No it is not, you have been misled. The conditions for staying are very much different. Tourist visa does not entail performing adequately in classes.
indc says
Lets assume they flunked? How is that related to immigration topic. They can flunk and apply for another university, flunk again and apply to another university.

No they can not. F visa rules specifically say that "While on your F-1 visa, you may only study at the academic institution through which the visa was granted".
Also, please see "Maintaining Valid F-1 Status" - The student is considered to be maintaining status if he or she is making normal progress toward completing a course of study.

Furthermore, this applies to flunking in one school and applying to another: (i) A student who is ...


Even tourist visa has rules they need to follow. What I meant was you are not considered immigrants on those visas.

About moving between Univ I said "apply": When they apply the new Univ informs ICE and USCIS. How is what you pointed out different from what I said? So their status as student is switched to new Univ. It is not same as moving your kids between Univ.
Now doing legal and illegal things, how do the students in your univ know what is legal and illegal? I know because Univ specifically tell students what is Legal and Illegal to do during their orientation. Now if Farmington tells the student they can work or do what ever they want who is in fault here?

Your prejudice not wanting outsiders has nothing to do with Immigation policy of USA. You can fight to change the rules and make sure no international students come to USA. But the topic is legality of what and how ICE tried to en-trap dumb kids. It is nothing different from those nigerian prince fraud.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 2, 5:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
indc says
ICE tried to en-trap dumb kids. It is nothing different from those nigerian prince fraud.

How so?

One is a foreigner trying to steal money the other is a foreigner trying to steal entry to our country.

I can see the similarities.


I guess there is no treatment for dumbness. I explained how student visa or tourist visa doesn't give you any leg-up in regards to immigration. And you keep repeating the lie just like goebbels.
I guess its in your genes.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 2, 5:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rd6B says
indc says
Now doing legal and illegal things, how do the students in your univ know what is legal and illegal?

Read the laws. I am supposed to know if something I do is legal or illegal as well.
Admittedly, the US immigration/visa system is royally fucked up because of complex rules, mainly put in place to have exemptions for special interests. But ultimately it is up to you to know if what you are doing is legal or illegal.


I agree to your point here. You make system complex and your own citizens will question the system. I dont deny what the students did is illegal. But that guidance from Univ is wrong which you do not want to acknowledge.
You want intelligent students here not dumb student again that is your perspective. Go fight about those rules. Here ICE made a mistake.
You cannot accept that ICE can make a mistake that is the reason you want to fight about it.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 2, 5:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
indc says
Your prejudice not wanting outsiders has nothing to do with Immigation policy of USA. You can fight to change the rules and make sure no international students come to USA. But the topic is legality of what and how ICE tried to en-trap dumb kids. It is nothing different from those nigerian prince fraud.


Are India's laws as kindly and open as the USA's? Nope.

We have rules, they must be followed.

What happened is no different than criminals trying to buy cocaine from undercover cops.


Why do you want to open your mouth when you dont know facts. USA had 100's of agents in India at height of cold war. There are 30 million immigrant from bangladesh and myanmar in India. Any ahole can come to India and live illegally without much problems. I am against open borders too. But that does not mean that you give Visa to dumb kids once here you take their money and kick them out.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 9:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ohomen171 says
#indiarapeepidemicINDIA


Made In India
Indian opposition politician Rahul Gandhi is facing sedition charges for a small rhyme that refers to a big problem.

Speaking at a campaign event, the Congress Party honcho said Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Made in India” slogan should be “Rape in India” due to the spate of protests and high-profile cases involving sexual assaults on women, the Times of India reported.

Gandhi is refusing to the apologize perhaps because he knows a large segment of the Indian public believes he’s calling attention to an important problem.

In late November, four men gang-raped and killed a veterinarian, set her body on fire and left it under a bridge near the southern city of Hyderabad, reported the Guardian. Video footage suggested the men had plotted the attack, deflating her scooter tires and then offering to help her. Hundreds of women took to the streets to demand justice.

“Unfortunately, we need something like this (...


In 7 years there are 4 major rape incidents that happenend in India which got national attention. How many such incidents happened in USA in same time period? Why doesn't NYT talk about it? And they are calling it epidemic. Per capita USA has highest rapes compared to other countries of the world. India is the lowest and they are calling it epidemic. Dont you think its idiotic. And you know what is funny the guy Rahul gandhi quoted in the articles has a rape case against him.

And this stupid editor tried to show 1 rape case as 2 incidents. That is what you get for believing NYT.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 9:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Liberal_in_blackface says
indc says
India is the lowest


I doubt the majority of these are even reported.


I agree but USA per-capita number is 10 times India's.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 9:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Liberal_in_blackface says
indc says
India is the lowest


I doubt the majority of these are even reported.


Right and the US is over-reported due to the #mewtwo effect.


metwo is recent development these per-capita rape numbers stayed the same for atleast 20 years.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 11:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SunnyvaleCA says
On thing I've noticed is that some non-Indians here in Silicon Valley sometimes think India is generally similar to what they see of Indian people living here in Sunnyvale New New Delhi. News alert: in Silicon Valley and on US college campuses, the Indians are selected (generally) from the top 0.1% of the population of India at large.

A few years ago I was watching The Amazing Race with my girlfriend (works for Google, so huge Indian exposure). The show had the contestants racing through some of the more "colorful" parts of India. She couldn't understand why they would "show the worst possible places of India." I had to explain that, actually, that's typical living conditions of the whole country.

The long-term question for those in the US is if the mass India migration here will turn out OK (because we're supposedly only selecting "the best") or if the US will look like India in 50 years.


How many times have you visited India? You think Amazing race will use places with any development? What do you mean by top 0.1% population of India? Are you talking about money wise. Then it is one of the dumbest comment. If you meant intelligence wise then what is your point?
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 12:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
indc says
How many times have you visited India? You think Amazing race will use places with any development? What do you mean by top 0.1% population of India? Are you talking about money wise. Then it is one of the dumbest comment. If you meant intelligence wise then what is your point?


Most of us are not going to be conned into thinking 90% of India looks like the high tech area of Mumbai.

really how much of USA looks like LA or NY.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 12:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ignoreme says
Amazing race films developed countries all the time. Somehow when they film in India it looks like a shithole. Not sure why..


poverty porn
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 12:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
indc says
really how much of USA looks like LA or NY.


Yeah no, suburban and rural America look a lot better than most of rural India.

C'mon man, you're trying to argue that India, with a GDP per Capita of $2-3k has the same infrastructure in general as a country where GDP/Capita is $55k.

When was the last time you saw Redneck Americans sitting on the roof of the California Zephyr, or the Acela, by the hundreds?

hahahahah


Thank you for your comment. You cant expect USA style development in India just after 70yrs of independence. You can see development gradually.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 12:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ignoreme says
indc says
really how much of USA looks like LA or NY.


A lot of it actually. You can visit Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Denver, San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Boston, Washington... I could go on. Even the dirtiest worst city on this list is orders of magnitude cleaner and wealthier then any city in India.


Ok go check Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kolkata.... We are not talking about cities.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 12:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Its funny that this thread is about rape. And you want to discuss about India's development. That is the maturity level of people here.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 1:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
indc says
Its funny that this thread is about rape. And you want to discuss about India's development. That is the maturity level of people here.

I get your point, but if you cannot have clean and sanitary cities, what makes you think you're going to get accurate reporting on rape? I mean seriously? This is a conversation?

What infrastructure do you need to report rape? Huge building's or just a phone? There are 650million cell phone users.
Now if your concern is law and order then yes there is problem with it. But it has no relation to infrastructure development too.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 4:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
indc says
Thank you for your comment. You cant expect USA style development in India just after 70yrs of independence. You can see development gradually.


Eastern Europe vastly exceeds India in standard of living, and has been independent of Soviet rule for way less than 70 years.


How long was eastern europe under russian rule? What is its population?

The total money drained from India by british is $45 trillion after 200yrs of rule. You think those numbers are comparable to eastern europe?
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 19, 5:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
indc says
Thank you for your comment. You cant expect USA style development in India just after 70yrs of independence. You can see development gradually.


Why not? Argentina and the US were at or above European Levels of Development at the same period.

That being said, 90% of India's problem was the lost years under the Corrupt Congress Cucks. Not the British.

Also, you can't loot pepper and tea, they grow again next year.

I don't believe Clive encountered 2-4-2 Locomotives in India and shipped them back to start the Manchester-London Railway.

The Western Colonization was the greatest wealth and knowledge transfer in human history.

They grew the Indian population by 400%, the lifespan tripled, left knowledge of everything from Chemistry to Engineering to Railroads to Aircraft Carrier Operations.

Not to mention unifying hundreds of city states into a real...


I don't know why you have to bring british into this discussion. But its good you brought it. The british made laws in India which were favorable to rulers. After independence India did not change them. So the oppression continued. Now the new govt is trying to correct the laws. But there is resistance to these changes because of leftist aholes.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 23, 4:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Liberal_in_blackface says
Great: in addition to Russian propaganda about eeeeevil Uncle Sam trying to harm innocent Mother Russia flooding the interwebz we're now subjected to Indian propaganda regarding American "ploys to loot India".


This is an indian perspective. But he clearly says it affects whole world. If you see the video its not about America looting Inida. Its about how west controls the financial markets to drain the third world countries. it also points out to the deficiency of communist russia.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 23, 4:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Liberal_in_blackface says
indc says
Its about how west controls the financial markets to drain the third world countries.


If eeevil west financial markets are "draining the third world countries" why not close these countries off a la DPRK and live happy and prosperous ever after?


Who said anything about being evil. West is thinking about preserving itself. He says if rest of the world is not careful they will become financial colonies again. The third world countries need to be careful and not fall in their traps. Isn't self-preservation others right too?
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 23, 4:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Liberal_in_blackface says
indc says
Who said anything about being evil.


"A ploy to loot" obviously implies evil intents.


I am not sure about evil intent. But here is the definition:

a cunning plan or action designed to turn a situation to one's own advantage

I dont see anything evil in it.

Do you call snake-oil salesman evil? Just asking. Not equating the two.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 23, 5:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
The World will be pissed when they realize that American fiat is worthless.
What kind of idiot would have full faith & credit in this shithole country?


I understand that you dont like this country. But check the video to understand why this economic setup affects whole planet not just this "shithole" country.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 23, 7:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
indc says
This is an indian perspective. But he clearly says it affects whole world. If you see the video its not about America looting Inida. Its about how west controls the financial markets to drain the third world countries. it also points out to the deficiency of communist russia.


Whereas if the world financial markets were in Moscow, Beijing, or New Delhi, they'd be run for the benefit of the World in Lovingkindness.

hahahahahaha


No, point of the video is why is there a world financial market. How different financial *isms came out of west.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 24, 10:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
indc says
No, point of the video is why is there a world financial market. How different financial *isms came out of west.


The subtitle is "A ploy to loot India".

Nevermind London and New York financial markets predate the Raj.


London Financial market existed atleast from 1600. But they started using it as weapon once they started colonization.
Isn't American revolution result of their policies?
USA got into this game in 1900s. That is the reason I feel bad for USA it became what its founding fathers fought against.

Respect for you though since you watched the video.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 27, 12:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
indc says
Churches are spreading lies about new laws introduced by Indian government. Instead of telling the truth about the law they are spreading fear.

Uhhhhhh.... that's the purpose of churches or any religious institution buddy. That's the way it's always been. This doesn't seem like news to me.


Are you saying Govt has complete right to demolish these churches since they are spreading lies?
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 27, 12:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
You should be more upset over the Propaganda Campaign against the freedom of any Indian to live in Kashmir, their own province.


What exactly are you trying to say? what do you know about this issue?
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 27, 3:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Shaman says
Did it ever occur to you that the tyranny of the majority (Hindu in this case) is still a tyranny and thus immoral? Why shouldn’t moral Christians oppose immoral Hindu-enacted laws? The only moral way for Hindus to govern as the majority is with input from religious minorities in their country.

I’mma bet you already believe this about the USA but wouldn’t ever think to apply it to your own country.


What are you yapping about. What tyranny are Hindus committing in India. Just because you have majoritarian tyranny in your country you expect the same in all parts of the world?
Make a statement where you can backup what you are saying. Not just some rant.

I dont have to believe what USA is. There is recorded history in USA where asian's lost their citizenship. It is because of civil rights movement that USA started allowing asians to the country again.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 27, 3:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
This link shows solid source materials for what they say

Gabbard looks bad, especially for her cozying up to the wrong powers of the Middle East. Her foreign policy RECORD sucks regardless of what she may currently be saying.

She’s about to drop out of politics, good riddance, she certainly never posed any threat to corporate fascists.



Which of the dem candidates you think are best? and why?

Is talking to someone to resolve the issues is wrong? Don't you think syrians want to live in syria instead of US and russia bombing them and they have to flee their homes.
  indc   ignore (0)   2019 Dec 31, 2:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I thought all these jew hating blacks get their training from their religious places.
  indc   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 3, 9:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Halal meat should be prepared only by a muslim. If they force it there will be more jobs for muslims.
  indc   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 10, 12:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is like what the american general said "I have to annihilate the village to save the village". Instead of helping them change their ideas you have to kill them. Please dont say its the missionaries benevolence that saved them.
Christians are very good at killing tribes. If your mission is always "spearheaded" destruction is all you get.
You know what happened to the missionary that tried to convert a tribe in indian ocean. If it was like in the past they would have been completely eliminated by now if it those lands were under any christian country.
  indc   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 10, 5:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
indc says
Instead of helping them change their ideas you have to kill them.


Christians eliminated sutee, a form of human sacrifice, and the thugee cult - along with thing of other bandit groups - that had played India for centuries.

They left railroads, medicine, chemistry, and advanced agra techniques that tripled lifespans and quality of life. Christians probably save and extended 100x more lives than they took.




Here are all the answers you need for know before you repeat yourself about India. Now for Thugee cult.they were created by british. stop reading white mans history if you need truths.
Railroads I agree everything else is BS. Churchill caused famine and killed 3millions people and you want us to believe that christians gave advanced agra techniques. HAHAHA.
India had advanced medicine and chemistry. India's population was 100 million in 18th century. And you want us to believe christians came and civilized(advanced whatever) India.
  indc   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 13, 1:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
We have every right to do with our own currency what we wish. If you don't like it, don't use it.

America does not exist for the benefit of other nations. We have no responsibility for India nor anything to apologize for over there.

Frankly, our existence is a gift to India. If we retake all the service jobs we've exported, it would be great for the average American, but the Indian economy would take a huge hit.


Listen to the video before you make such comments. I don't think you will oppose any of the points he is making in the video. All the points he makes you mostly know. But you will understand where they come from.
  indc   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 14, 2:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass saysMoral of the story is, America isn't for sale.
Nobody learned from Japan in the 80's when they were booming and buying up America's real estate. The house always wins, that's why we have bankruptcy laws.
It's better for American people if foreign investments weren't creating artificial price pressures on us. Also foreign people are able to see greater returns on their investment, and have saving options that both earn them money and are liquid. The American people's savings are all tied up in rigged 401K's and they aren't allowed to touch it. They've taking our savings institutions, and we have forgotten how to dream. But perhaps these kids growing up today, and will demand freedom from the 401K enslavement trap, and demand interest on their savings, and the Fed stop printing money and giving the Monop...
What FED is doing is controlling the money in all countries. America has 47% population of slaves and another 3-4 billion slaves outside its borders. So you will always have slaves trying to take his masters place. And you will always see these slaves coming to USA as long as FED has these policies.
  indc   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 14, 3:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
Something like 140 million Indians refuse to use a toilet and prefer to shit outside.

That America's Fault too?


I dont want to make this topic India VS America. It is more like FED versus humanity.

But for some pea-brains it is difficult to understand the topic.

Atleast you changed the number from 50% of population to 8%.
  indc   ignore (0)   2020 Jan 22, 4:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
The light from Betelgeuse is 640 years old. It may have already supernova-ed.
If it goes supernova today we can see it in 640 years.
...
.


Gravitational waves also travel at speed of light.
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