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The most disgusting and despicable thing I've ever seen

By Dan8267   2012 Feb 17, 8:45am   1 link   3,990 views   26 comments   watch (0)   quote      

Basically, Congress commits massive insider trading and makes it legal for them to do it. This should be as offensive as if Congress made rape and murder legal for themselves. And guess what, the Republicans are more dirty than the Democrats on this. Meanwhile, the rest of us honest investors get screwed as Congress passes legislation to make their own portfolios go up.

Small clip
http://www.govexec.com/oversight/2012/02/play-day-daily-show-takes-stock-act/41220/

Full Show (You should watch the dialog between Jon Steward and Senator Slaughter.)
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-february-15-2012-louise-slaughter

Hang them all and let their fictitious god sort them out. Retroactively make this illegal and prosecute them all. If there was ever a case for a retroactive law it's to punish corrupt law makers who undermined our legislative and legal system.

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1   leo707     2012 Feb 17, 8:50am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

Retroactively make this illegal and prosecute them all. If there was ever a case for a retroactive law it's to punish corrupt law makers who undermined our legislative and legal system.

Right! let's submit a bill and lobby them to pass it.

How would we get such a law passed?

And, yes it is utterly despicable, is there any question now that the game is rigged?

2   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 17, 9:26am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

leoj707 says

How would we get such a law passed?

Same way such reforms are passed in every nation.

3   leo707     2012 Feb 17, 9:41am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Oh, I see...

I was thinking of something a little more fancy.

4   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 17, 9:42am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

You are correct. That would be more appropriate. So French, too.

5   Honest Abe     2012 Feb 17, 12:04pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Insider trading legal for politicians. Why? Because "Some animals are more equal than others".

6   Kevin     2012 Feb 17, 1:47pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

If that's the most disgusting and despicable thing you've ever seen, you haven't been paying attention. There's fucking genocide going on in the world.

7   TPB     2012 Feb 17, 3:05pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

Kevin says

There's fucking genocide going on in the world.

Yeah but we're not Mogadishu, YET.

8   kentm     2012 Feb 17, 8:49pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Kevin says

If that's the most disgusting and despicable thing you've ever seen, you haven't been paying attention. There's fucking genocide going on in the world.

Yeah there is, and a good part of it is being caused by the American military, as directed by people who have direct investments in companies that benefit from military expenditures and efforts.

9   TMAC54     2012 Feb 18, 12:07am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I must be missing something.

Those in Congress found active in insider trading will NOT be asked to return any stolen property AAAAAND they will continue influencing America's laws.

Do the AMERICAN PEOPLE see gubmint as some intimidating spiritual ruling priest ?

10   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 18, 5:14am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Kevin says

If that's the most disgusting and despicable thing you've ever seen, you haven't been paying attention. There's fucking genocide going on in the world.

Fair point. I meant the most disgusting and despicable thing I've seen in American politics.

11   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 18, 5:15am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

TPB says

Kevin says

There's fucking genocide going on in the world.

Yeah but we're not Mogadishu, YET.

I think he meant Syria. And yes, that's way more despicable.

12   TPB     2012 Feb 18, 8:26am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

I would vote for Pope Vader.

13   Kevin     2012 Feb 18, 4:47pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Kevin says

If that's the most disgusting and despicable thing you've ever seen, you haven't been paying attention. There's fucking genocide going on in the world.

Fair point. I meant the most disgusting and despicable thing I've seen in American politics.

Eh, even then. I can think of plenty of things worse than insider trading going on.

Everyone knows that the pope is darth sidius, not darth vader.

14   Honest Abe     2012 Feb 18, 11:05pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

TMAC, I love your Pope Vader !!! Well done.
Abe

15   TMAC54     2012 Feb 19, 12:56am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

TPB says

I would vote for Pope Vader.

I might also listen to the robots policies IF, The crack (cash) addict was not robbing his Grand Mother (citizens) at Gunpoint.

We need to STOP enabling them.

16   Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq     2012 Feb 19, 2:11am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

I too wish Congress worked for men of stature and merit for free, but alas, those craven bastards need to get paid. It gives them the illusion that they are not actually part of the filthy underclass.

17   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 19, 2:33am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

Kevin says

Eh, even then. I can think of plenty of things worse than insider trading going on.

This is far worse than simply insider trading. It's making it legal for Senators to inside trade. In effect, the Senators are writing laws that make them a special class of citizens that can commit crimes and not be prosecuted. This is such outright corruption that it is absurd that Americans tolerate it.

It's so blatant, so openly disrespectful to the very idea of lawfulness and equality under law, that it boggles the mind. It's like if the Senators passed a law bringing back prima nocta.

18   freak80     2012 Feb 19, 10:06pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan,

Why so judgemental? Would we all be better off if you were supreme leader?

19   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 20, 2:47am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

wthrfrk80 says

Dan,

Why so judgemental? Would we all be better off if you were supreme leader?

Yes, I would be a benevolent dictator who would put the society's interests before my own. Not that I have any ambitions of being a world leader. I would hate the job. Ironically, the complete non-desire of power is what it takes to wield power responsibly and ethically.

Even better, I would write software that would put society's needs before any individual while protecting the rights and liberty of the individual and allowing for people to vote on judgement calls. Such an expert system would be far superior to any human leader. Kind of what Helios was in Deus Ex.

20   freak80     2012 Feb 20, 4:05am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Dan8267 says

Yes, I would be a benevolent dictator who would put the society's interests before my own.

Incredible.

Every tyrant thinks they are ruling for the good of the society they control.

I rest my case!

21   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 20, 6:30am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

wthrfrk80 says

Every tyrant thinks they are ruling for the good of the society they control.

1. Dictator and tyrant are not synonymous.
2. I am not either.
3. If I were a dictator, I'd limit by edicts to shaping the way government works rather than forcing specific political positions on people.
4. I would work to make myself and all human rulers obsolete by automating government and dispersing power.
5. The end result of my work would be an automated, decentralized Libacracy (my term), something this world has never seen before.

So, yeah, I'm just like rulers throughout history. Just not human history.

22   tatupu70     2012 Feb 20, 10:59am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

1. Dictator and tyrant are not synonymous.
2. I am not either.

lol---I think that was the point. If you asked Stalin or Hitler, they would answer the same as you...

23   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 20, 11:40pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

lol---I think that was the point. If you asked Stalin or Hitler, they would answer the same as you...

tatup70 and wthrfrk80, you're argument is an instance of a specific class of fallacy called Poisoning the Well which has the form:

1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
2. Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.

For example,

1. Tatup70 and wthrfrk80 imply that Dan is just like Stalin or Hitler (an obviously false claim).
2. Therefore, anything Dan says is invalid.

Even if I were like Stalin or Hitler, my arguments, be they right or wrong, would still stand or fall on their own merits.

However, your assertion that I am like Stalin or Hitler is retarded. Both Stalin and Hitler committed genocide. I posted a message on a forum. Both Stalin and Hitler commanded armies. I discuss real estate and politics on a forum. Both Stalin and Hitler assassinated their political rivals. You are still alive. Stalin and Hitler loved power. I've gone on the record that "I would hate the job" of being a world leader. Stalin and Hitler did everything they could to centralize power. Everything I've proposed is to decentralize power and spread it so thin that no one has control over another human being.

I could go on and on, but I think I've made my point. You have utterly destroyed all your credibility by comparing me to Hitler and Stalin. Only fools compare others on the Internet with the greatest mass murderers of history.

wthrfrk80 says

Every tyrant thinks they are ruling for the good of the society they control.

I rest my case!

Premise: If X is a tyrant, X thinks that he is ruling for the good of society.
Conclusion: If a person thinks he is ruling for the good of society, he is a tyrant.

This is obviously wrong. Even if a premise is true, it's converse is not necessarily.

Furthermore, this premise is incorrect. Nero most certainly did not think he was ruling for the good of society. There are plenty of tyrants throughout history that knew they were putting their own self-interest above others. That's two mistakes by you in a mere 16 words.

24   tatupu70     2012 Feb 21, 1:42am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan--

Your logic skills are waning. I did not say you were the same as Hitler or Stalin. I said that if you asked them if they were tyrants, they would probably say no. Tyrants often think they are doing what is necessary for the common good.

You are completely missing wth's point.

25   Dan8267   2517/2549 = 98% civil   2012 Feb 21, 2:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

Tyrants often think they are doing what is necessary for the common good.

So do doctors, fire fighters, police, soldiers, priests, nuns, and volunteers at homeless shelters.

Your intent was to convince people that I am a psychopathic murderer like Hitler and Stalin were, and therefore no one should listen to any of my arguments. That intent is bad and deliberately misleading.

Furthermore, it shows that you have no real counter-arguments to make. Resorting to Hitler comparisons for anything other than actual genocide or proposed genocide, isn't a strong argument. Unfortunately, it is all too common on Internet forums.

In response of your demonstration of Godwin's Law, I am hereby invoking the Nazi Rule.

The nazi rule is simple. In any debate, argument, or other two or more sided discussion, the party(and all others with an associated opinion) that first brings of Nazis is instantly the loser of said discussion, argument, whatever. This is a simple principle that applies to all people in all places.

26   tatupu70     2012 Feb 21, 3:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

Your intent was to convince people that I am a psychopathic murderer like Hitler and Stalin were, and therefore no one should listen to any of my arguments. That intent is bad and deliberately misleading.

No it really wasn't.

Dan8267 says

Furthermore, it shows that you have no real counter-arguments to make. Resorting to Hitler comparisons for anything other than actual genocide or proposed genocide, isn't a strong argument. Unfortunately, it is all too common on Internet forums.

I think the point was made, but you are correct. I have no counter points to make. I was merely commenting on your reply to another poster--it struck me as amusing that you so completely missed his point.

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