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White murder of blacks vs vice versa

By Patrick (227/227 = 100% civil)   2012 Mar 30, 2:43am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (2)   21 links   91,097 views   267 comments   watch (3)   share   quote  

It is very politically incorrect but nonethess a fact that white people are much more likely to be murdered by black people in the US than vice versa.

Most murders are within the same race, but even then blacks have a much higher rate of murdering each other than whites do.

From we see that in 2010, 447 whites were murdered by blacks, while 218 blacks were mudered by whites, for a total of 665 inter-racial murders.

Given that blacks are 12.6% of US population, and whites are 72.4% of US population, the population ratio is .174 to 1 black to white.

If the interracial murder rates were the same for both, we would expect 115 out of the 665 murders to be murders of whites by blacks. But the number was 447, which is 388% of the expected rate by populations.

OTOH, the total number was only 447 murders of whites by blacks, which is a small number relative to the total population of the US. There were over 40,000 deaths because of car accidents in the same year.

So a rational white person should be about 100 times more afraid of being killed by a car than being killed by a black person.


1   Dan8267 (92/93 = 98% civil)   2013 Feb 18, 4:32am  ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

HEY YOU says

Paul Mooney said something like: If you want to stop Racism, kill all the white people.

Paul Mooney was wrong. There is plenty of hatred between African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans. The idea that racism is only a problem that white people have is empirically false.

2   foxmannumber1   2013 Jul 18, 5:14am  ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

To address these myths:

1. 14% of whites aren't killed by whites. 6% of blacks aren't killed by blacks. Why are blacks killing whites at over twice the rate?

2. I think violent crime stats are down because we have a lot of blacks in jail already.
I also think that crimes are being wrongly classified or not reported in official numbers at all to make the crime stats appear better.
If someone of rank does not play ball with this policy, they are simply replaced by someone who will.
It's no different than the Atlanta public school cheating scandal.

3. Blacks are more flagrant in their drug use. Whites keep it private.
Blacks are also more likely to be dealers, who also have a host of other charges against them during a drug bust. Guns/theft/assault/parole/etc.
They plead guilty on the drugs and the other charges simply go away, leaving only a drug crime on record. This helps the stats as presented in myth #2.

4. Public schools are run by liberals who bend over backwards not to report blacks for behavioral issues.
Only the worst offending blacks are sent for discipline after numerous violations.
Even with the liberals and other blacks running the show, blacks are still expelled/suspended more frequently simply because they commit more violations.
Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime. It starts in their early years and continues on to their adult life.

5. Black neighborhoods are far more crime ridden than any other place in the USA.
Crime is an inverse of general IQ test results.
Blacks have the lowest IQ of any major race in the USA. Blacks commit the most crime of any major race in the USA.

3   CMY   2013 Jul 19, 6:44pm  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

As a white dude who grew up around every conceivable race I'm just REALLY tired of being the bad guy. My culture just doesn't encourage being a victim.

4   Clarence 13X   2012 Apr 23, 5:12pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

wthrfrk80 says

There's no question blacks were the most oppressed in America, historically.

Are they still actively oppressed? Or is a lot of the poverty just "inertia"?

I really don't know, I'm just an average "white guy."

The minds of the people have not caught up with the times. Many still believe in the methods of the 60s revolution, when in fact, all they need to do is seek opportunities. During the 60s the people turned their backs on white America as had been done to them for 400 years. what you describe is a defensive mechanism....unfortunately, all youth are now following this same approach. IE Hip Hop Thug Nation Being white or black has nothing to do with it...its all about the impoverished thoughts that come with being poor and not knowing opportunity is right around the corner.

5   Patrick (227/227 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 25, 12:07pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Someone objected that of course blacks murder whites at twice the rate than whites murder blacks, simply because there are many more whites around to get murdered.

Now it occurs to me that if that were valid, it would also be true that most murders of blacks would be by whites, again because again there are so many more whites around to be murderers.

But most murders of blacks are by other blacks. So it seems that blacks are statistically much more violent than whites, and it is in fact rational to be much more afraid of blacks. On average.

6   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2012 Sep 23, 10:17am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  


Don't you understand?

Most of these traffic deaths are caused by black people driving their cars into crowds of white people, all of whom have been programmed by Obama to kill non-Islamics in the name of Allah.

7   zeigs23   2012 Dec 20, 5:04pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

It's all about culture. Race is correlated with culture, but it is not causally related. Because race is correlated with culture, and more so in times past with greater geographic isolation, racial appearance was once a reasonably good predictor of cultural affiliation. This is no longer true, clothing is better. Being wary of another's culture is justified and reasonable. Culture is a form of man-made and self-induced reality programing that can and does directly influence our behavior. Hence, we all are, and should be, concerned about the relative health of our various cultural ideologies. Race has simply gotten erroneously thrown into the middle of this challenge due to the age old common sense error of inferring causation from correlational evidence.

8   curious2 (29/29 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 18, 4:36am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

The issue with these statistics is they show correlation but the question remains causation. The #1 driver of gun violence is the drug war. ATF gunwalking into Mexico resulted in a huge increase in gun violence there, part of a drug war that has killed more than 50,000 people, mostly Latino. They did not change color, they merely changed behavior: they had a drug war with a huge arsenal over smuggling profits.

The median likelihood of one person shooting another is near zero regardless of color. If you put the median likelihood black person in a room with the median likelihood white person, even if the room was chock full of guns and ammunition, neither would shoot the other. If they had to stay for a whole day, they might share a pizza.

That's why politicians claiming to care about reducing gun violence, by imposing gun control while continuing the drug war, is so obviously a farce. The gun violence occurs largely among illegal drug gangs, who are by definition breaking the law already. In the US, illegal drug gangs are disproportionately black, so gun violence is also. It would be very interesting to compare gun violence statistics by race today with statistics from the prohibition era - I suspect they would look quite different.

9   zzyzzx (47/47 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 18, 10:03am  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

CL says

How many millionaire African-Americans have murdered a poor white person

10   CL (1/1 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 19, 3:44am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

FortWayne says

MLK was a victim, you are not a victim get over yourself.

You missed the point. You're acting like the last crime of murder or oppression based on ethnicity happened during the civil war. That's patently false.

Society is unjust. It is moreso unjust if you're black and in America.

Why is black infant mortality higher in America than in Cuba? Why is black literacy higher in Cuba than America? Why is the rate of incarceration so high here for the black population?

Clearly, there is something in our system that makes it so. Denial of that fact, I'd say, typically means that the denier simply wants to ignore it, perhaps to make themselves feel better.

Are employers color-blind? Or are there preferences in hiring whites over blacks? Why were Asians, Irish and Italians tasked with manual labor, if they were hired at all? Does your ethnicity affect the jobs you are allowed to take? And do the jobs you take affect your health, wealth and class?

C'mon guys. This isn't anything shocking...These are things to fix, not "get over".

11   CL (1/1 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 21, 1:46am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

To summarize the seemingly consensus view here:

1) We (regardless of ethnicity) are right to fear blacks if they are walking towards us in a dark alley, since they are much more likely to murder us than a Caucasian

2) Yet when a black person applies for a job, the same fear does not prevent their being hired.

They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and those who care should never try to help by affording them jobs, education or opportunities beyond what the society offers the white community by default.

White people deserve the benefit of the doubt, whereas a black or Latino deserves the doubt.

Is that about right?

12   Tenpoundbass (83/83 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 21, 2:58am  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

In south Florida there would be no problem for an elderly Jewish person to say that they don't want a shikse or a schwartza working on them.
NONE it would be a non issue, and if you dared make it one, then you're antisemitic.

13   Rew (86/86 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 21, 4:16am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

FortWayne says

You just sound like a person who blames others for personal failures.

Our government for a while made it easy to just claim to be a victim of society and you got paid, got tangible benefits, and quickly many folks jumped onto the train.

I guess seeing folks with a mindset like yours, victim mentality, I don't see that changing any time soon.

What? I see nothing in the above that is laying blame for a personal failing.

A disadvantaged child, growing up in a drug addicted home, and in poverty has the same chance in america as a child growing up in a wealthy household in Cupertino? Is this your claim?

Affirmative Action works by you claiming you are a victim? Is that how it goes? I challenge you to walk up to 100 people of your choice and ask them if they see themselves as a victim. If the answer yes, ask them what of? Ridiculous. Very few people label themselves as victims.

Affirmative action is a very imperfect way of trying to correct damage done to minorities and women in America's history. There is lots not to like about it, and there are some things which ARE actually needed/good.

The manner in which this can be done without detracting from someone's rightful achievement, or taking away from someone who has earned something, is troubling ... but I don't see a better solution.

What's your solution? Sounds to me like you think we have enough equality now in America to just let things sort themselves out. Demographics would show you are wrong.

Question: Do you think women in the muslim world would benefit from something like Affirmative Action? (and I am using muslim women here to represent a clearly discriminated against social group ... could as easily just be a minority, but this is a great example. Your answer to this question would tell you/me whether it is just Affirmative Action you have a problem with, or its use in America today.)

There will always be some who mooch off of social programs. Does that mean we should have nothing because a few will cheat? I don't like it any more than you do, I really don't, but the slight cost at those who will milk it is far less than the benefit social programs/"entitlements" have.

Again, your argument seems to go straight to : "dog eat dog world, no government needed, load 'em up and keep one in the chamber."

That's in no way shape or form the vision of America, or an America I want to live in. There is a balance here between personal responsibility and us helping those in society who need it.

14   CL (1/1 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 21, 9:25am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

FortWayne says

Asians don't live drowning themselves in victim mentality, hence they do well in the "land of the free".

And are overwhelmingly Democratic voters, like all minorities who I guess just don't know that there's no race problem in America, and in the GOP in particular.

15   m1ckey6   2013 Jul 15, 1:52am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

The rate of murders by white people of blacks is wildly over stated by the official stats. A huge number of Hispanics, who are by no reasonable definition white, are listed as white in police databases. I'm talking about tattoo on the back of the neck, white socks up to the knees straight Cholo types and when they kill someone it is listed as a white murder.

I have no idea why so many Hispanics call themselves white but it may have something to do with their parents illegal status.

The actual instances of someone identifiably white doing this is so low that when a white sounding name "Zimmerman" came up as having killed a black guy the entire media establishment lost its mind.

As for the gibberish about blacks getting a hard time by being arrested more the opposite is true. The sheer volume of black crime means that a lot of people get away with things. Add to that the snitching culture and even if everyone knew who committed a crime the police are on their own trying to prove it. If a black guy had killed Trayvon there could have been 50 witnesses and most of the time not a single one would say what happened.

The black community is violent. In every city on earth with a significant black population these neighborhoods are always the "don't go there at night" areas.

16   Moderate Infidel   2013 Jul 15, 7:16am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Call it Crazy says

Moderate Infidel says

Maybe blacks just have better aim than whites.

You might have something there.... In Chicago, the blacks get a lot of practice on moving targets...

But they have strict gun control in Chicago so it must be crime free.

17   Bap33   2013 Jul 17, 9:11am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Profiling results in survival. I am pro-profiling. As a matter of fact, I am a pro-pro-profiler.

18   ladyc   2012 Apr 4, 10:59pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

White, black, yellow or green justice in some form needs to be served. A complete an thorough investigation needs to be done in the Zimmerman/Martin case. The officers and their handling, the 911 operator, the people in the community, the girlfriend on the phone, the requirements of neighborhood watch. Once all the facts are in the case should be handled as any other case. Why did a gated community with problems in the past not have surveillance cameras to back up the neighborhood watch. Who's voice is really on the tape crying out for health. Did Zimmerman receive his injuries in defense of his safety or as the aggressor with a teen that chose to fight back for his safety. Who really is the victim?

19   mmribs   2012 Apr 10, 2:56pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bap, these are expectations. This analysis is valid if you are willing to draw expectations from the data, as Patrick originally did. This is done in the same manner as how the National Weather Service advertises the odds of getting struck by lightning to be 1E-6 in a given year--they do so by dividing the number of strikes per year by the total population. Does that mean those are the odds that YOU will get struck by lightning? Doubtful--I don't know how you spend your time. If you play golf on mountaintops during thunderstorms, the likelihood will be far greater than if you live inside a subterranean Faraday cage. But for large samples of a large population, that expectation can be applied with reasonably good agreement.

People DO do the same math with the NBA, NFL, and MLB; those statistics ARE part of the equation in sports management decisions (too much so for Brad Pitt, in Moneyball). Future expectations are based on prior performance, but just like with roulette, quantum mechanics, and women, there are no certainties.

Marcus, I agree with your math, but it doesn't seem to disagree with mine. Given you are white, the data suggests that the probability of being murdered by someone who is black is 2E-6 or 2/1,000,000, not 2E-5.

And this data is gathered over a year, so these are expectations that this will occur within a given year. Specifically, the data is from 2010.

20   CL (1/1 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 17, 4:09am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

housingcasino4865 says

And the liberal politicians encourage dependency and are more genocidal than the KKK ever was: look up "family planning."

Look up, "How unwanted pregnancies hold you down and ruin your dreams".

Also, look up how the biggest proponents of family planning were once Republicans, including the Bush family's support of Planned Parenthood.

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