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White murder of blacks vs vice versa

By Patrick   2012 Mar 30, 2:43am   23 links   105,620 views   261 comments   watch (3)   quote      

It is very politically incorrect but nonethess a fact that white people are much more likely to be murdered by black people in the US than vice versa.

Most murders are within the same race, but even then blacks have a much higher rate of murdering each other than whites do.

From http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls we see that in 2010, 447 whites were murdered by blacks, while 218 blacks were mudered by whites, for a total of 665 inter-racial murders.

Given that blacks are 12.6% of US population, and whites are 72.4% of US population, the population ratio is .174 to 1 black to white.

If the interracial murder rates were the same for both, we would expect 115 out of the 665 murders to be murders of whites by blacks. But the number was 447, which is 388% of the expected rate by populations.

OTOH, the total number was only 447 murders of whites by blacks, which is a small number relative to the total population of the US. There were over 40,000 deaths because of car accidents in the same year.

So a rational white person should be about 100 times more afraid of being killed by a car than being killed by a black person.

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182   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 8:04am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Black gangs targeting Indians because they are stacking chips like Frito-Lay. The reason why they get away with it is because they suspect Indians won't fight back.

MMR says

Maybe this Indian individual should have been reading this thread

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Raveesh-Kumra-Use-of-Hookers-Lead-to-Homicide-190493151.html

183   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 8:06am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Let me guess, you are an entrepreneur or capitalist who works for himself? Easy to say if your paycheck doesn't depend on it.

Moderate Infidel says

And what did you do? If i were there and that happened that person would be paying me hush money the rest of my life.

184   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 8:09am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Does gun control do a good job of solving black on black crime? Would more control do the trick?

185   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 8:17am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Top guard dogs. Good for mauling Indian-targeting hood rats(Usually Black or Hispanic in California) that usually carry illegal firearms with the registration numbers wiped off. Any welfare family hood rat who attempts to enter my future California home with intent to rob or harm will escape with only with significant injury and none of my assets

http://listverse.com/2007/11/13/top-10-badass-guard-dogs/

186   ET HOME     2013 Feb 21, 8:21am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

CL says

Society is unjust. It is moreso unjust if you're black and in America.

Why is black infant mortality higher in America than in Cuba? Why is black literacy higher in Cuba than America? Why is the rate of incarceration so high here for the black population?

Get over yourself, the man running this country is black. Obama is black.

If that's not a sign for some losers to get off welfare and self pitying excuse train to start making a life for themselves there will never be a better one.

Have you been in Cuba????? I am cuban now live in Miami.
the number are just political flags the gov use to say they are ok,
incarceration rates of blacks in Cuba are much much higher there that here and yes there is a lot of discrimination ans it is worst because there are no laws or minimal laws to fight discrimination because the dictatorship says tehre is none

187   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 8:37am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The type of crap people do (usually White) to Asian Americans, they are afraid to do/say to a black person's face because, statistically speaking, and yes, this is politically incorrect, the white guy is usually scared that the Black guy might kick his ass/shoot him.

http://blog.angryasianman.com/2011/10/asian-americans-teens-bullied-more-than.html

188   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 8:39am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Some 62% of Asian American kids faced 1-2x/month bullying compared to 18.1% of whites.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ieIKEf6GvJAwc1iBJZ1itH-HGbyA?docId=CNG.1732b21b28ee34447047f9aa12dd08c5.b31

189   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 8:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

What's the deal with this black or white crap anyway. Last time I checked Asians made up 30% of San Francisco, San Jose and prob close to 20% of Oakland. But that's right, Asians don't matter because it's a black or white world, not brown or yellow

190   CL   53/53 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 8:51am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

ET HOME says

Have you been in Cuba????? I am cuban now live in Miami.

the number are just political flags the gov use to say they are ok,

I rely on the CIA World Factbook. In any case, there are other metrics we've applied here, and by any of them blacks are not faring well in America.

As the Professor said, compared to white American counterparts their infant mortality scores distressingly poorly, regardless of whether or not we trust the CIA's sources.

191   FortWayne   710/716 = 99% civil   2013 Feb 21, 9:13am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

MMR says

What's the deal with this black or white crap anyway. Last time I checked Asians made up 30% of San Francisco, San Jose and prob close to 20% of Oakland. But that's right, Asians don't matter because it's a black or white world, not brown or yellow

Asians don't live drowning themselves in victim mentality, hence they do well in the "land of the free".

192   CL   53/53 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 9:25am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

Asians don't live drowning themselves in victim mentality, hence they do well in the "land of the free".

And are overwhelmingly Democratic voters, like all minorities who I guess just don't know that there's no race problem in America, and in the GOP in particular.

193   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 9:52am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

That's right, when they are bullied 3.3x more than white kids, they just commit suicide

FortWayne says

Asians don't live drowning themselves in victim mentality, hence they do well in the "land of the free".

194   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 9:52am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Why it might be that Asians who are bullied 3.3x more than white people might commit suicide

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=193774

195   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 10:03am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Among all Asian-Americans, those aged 20-24 had the highest suicide rate (12.44 per 100,000).

Among Asian-American adults, those aged 18-34 had the highest rates of suicidal thoughts (11.9 percent), intent (4.4 percent) and attempts (3.8 percent) compared to other age groups.3

Asian-Americans college students were more likely than White American students to have had suicidal thoughts and to attempt suicide.4

Pressure to achieve is a huge factor but family conflict and bullying at school have to be strong factors as well

So 'bootstrapping in the land of the free' does have some downsides

http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/ethnicity-health/asian-american/suicide.aspx

196   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   181/181 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 11:43am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

MMR says

Top guard dogs. Good for mauling Indian-targeting hood rats(Usually Black or Hispanic in California) that usually carry illegal firearms with the registration numbers wiped off. Any welfare family hood rat who attempts to enter my future California home with intent to rob or harm will escape with only with significant injury and none of my assets

http://listverse.com/2007/11/13/top-10-badass-guard-dogs/

LMAO! i will get a German Shepherd. professor Useless (what his students call him) can get a Chihuahua for home protection since he's one of those "all dogs are created equally" type of guy.

197   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 11:50am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Yeah, German Shepherds are awesome. I wish I had a big dog now but such dogs don't do well in tiny apartments.

Mark D says

LMAO! i will get a German Shepherd. professor Useless (what his students call him) can get a Chihuahua for home protection since he's one of those "all dogs are created equally" type of guy.

198   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   181/181 = 100% civil   2013 Feb 21, 12:31pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

MMR says

Yeah, German Shepherds are awesome. I wish I had a big dog now but such dogs don't do well in tiny apartments.

Mark D says

LMAO! i will get a German Shepherd. professor Useless (what his students call him) can get a Chihuahua for home protection since he's one of those "all dogs are created equally" type of guy.

i would go with a shotgun. i believe all Asians should have guns.

199   coriacci1     2013 Feb 21, 12:31pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Moderate Infidel says

And what did you do? If i were there and that happened that person would be paying me hush money the rest of my life.

i reported him to the other partners and the eeoc. he was subsequently forced out of the partnership. i kept my job for a while, then moved on to a different company.

200   m1ckey6     2013 Jul 15, 1:52am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The rate of murders by white people of blacks is wildly over stated by the official stats. A huge number of Hispanics, who are by no reasonable definition white, are listed as white in police databases. I'm talking about tattoo on the back of the neck, white socks up to the knees straight Cholo types and when they kill someone it is listed as a white murder.

I have no idea why so many Hispanics call themselves white but it may have something to do with their parents illegal status.

The actual instances of someone identifiably white doing this is so low that when a white sounding name "Zimmerman" came up as having killed a black guy the entire media establishment lost its mind.

As for the gibberish about blacks getting a hard time by being arrested more the opposite is true. The sheer volume of black crime means that a lot of people get away with things. Add to that the snitching culture and even if everyone knew who committed a crime the police are on their own trying to prove it. If a black guy had killed Trayvon there could have been 50 witnesses and most of the time not a single one would say what happened.

The black community is violent. In every city on earth with a significant black population these neighborhoods are always the "don't go there at night" areas.

201   Dan8267   3266/3310 = 98% civil   2013 Jul 15, 2:29am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

CL says

To summarize the seemingly consensus view here:

You hit it on the nail. There is a difference between acknowledging and dealing with the fact that blacks murder whites more than the reverse and presuming that a given black is a would-be murderer.

The fact is that most people, black or white, do not commit murder. So the generalization is not valid. It is that generalization that leads to paranoia and more unjust killings.

Now the information that blacks murder whites more often than white murder blacks might be useful. The immediate question that comes to mind is why? Is it the result of poverty, racism, the gap between haves and have nots, culture, lack of education, or something else?

If the goal is to minimize murders, asking the why question is what's important.

202   mell   63/63 = 100% civil   2013 Jul 15, 2:50am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Start by ending the war on drugs and you can minimize that number by quite a bit (incl. the disproportionate arrest of blacks for possessing drugs). Unfortunately that's not a position held by the mainstream democrats or republicans, only by libertarians.

203   lostand confused   407/407 = 100% civil   2013 Jul 15, 2:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

mell says

Start by ending the war on drugs and you can minimize that number by quite a bit (incl. the disproportionate arrest of blacks for possessing drugs). Unfortunately that's not a position held by the mainstream democrats or republicans, only by libertarians.

This is true. if drugs were regulated like alcohol-our bursting prison systems would be cut down to size and many men won't be barred from good jobs, because of drug busts and prison terms that will show up in background checks for job applications. How is one supposed to put your past behind you and move on when you can't??

Dan8267 says

You hit it on the nail. There is a difference between acknowledging and
dealing with the fact that blacks murder whites more than the reverse and
presuming that a given black is a would-be murderer.

Yup this is my whole point about the TM case. Wether it is murders or crimes blacks do have a higher proportion of crimes. There is nothing wrong in acknowledging that or even looking at why. But in one of the companies I worked for as a consultant, the Director was a black woman who rose up from humble beginnings. Does this mean if she walks home in my neighbourhood with her son, I should follow them and get in a fight and kill them-because they look funny?

Also black welfare is very high. I read that blacks make up 10% of population but 30+ % of welfare-which is just wrong. Well, it more or less mirrors CA's ratios . But maybe the govt should start matching folks on welfare with "undesirable" jobs like working in the fields or some such. But that is off topic .

204   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Jul 15, 4:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

What percentage of "whites murdering blacks" in South Florida is actually "Cubans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans" vs Anglo whites?

Dan8267 says

Now the information that blacks murder whites more often than white murder blacks might be useful. The immediate question that comes to mind is why? Is it the result of poverty, racism, the gap between haves and have nots, culture, lack of education, or something else?

205   MMR   373/373 = 100% civil   2013 Jul 15, 5:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

At the very least, the odds are that it would reduce their chances of becoming drug dealing pawns on the street, living at home with mom, taking penitentiary chances to make a living and making less on a per-hour basis than a mcdonalds cashier.

http://www.freakonomics.com/books/freakonomics/chapter-excerpts/chapter-3/

lostand confused says

But maybe the govt should start matching folks on welfare with "undesirable" jobs like working in the fields or some such. But that is off topic .

206   Vicente     2013 Jul 15, 6:45am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

If the goal is to minimize murders, asking the why question is what's important.

That is rarely the actual goal in these sorts of observations.

Goals are usually one or more of:
Less of something
More of something
Nothing at all
Apartheid
Pretend this is the Natural Order and we should accept it

207   FortWayne   710/716 = 99% civil   2013 Jul 15, 7:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Now the information that blacks murder whites more often than white murder blacks might be useful. The immediate question that comes to mind is why? Is it the result of poverty, racism, the gap between haves and have nots, culture, lack of education, or something else?

I think it's poverty and attitude. Because most murders happen in the black ghettos. Normal blacks, or even non blacks, don't go around murdering others.

Crime rises with poverty. Especially in communities that have a mindset of violence. I remember one time when my wife and I were flipping through the channels we saw one of those channels for "black entertainment". It was very violent. And that's what those people watch out there I assume, since it is "black entertainment".

208   Moderate Infidel     2013 Jul 15, 7:08am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Maybe blacks just have better aim than whites.

209   Moderate Infidel     2013 Jul 15, 7:16am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Moderate Infidel says

Maybe blacks just have better aim than whites.

You might have something there.... In Chicago, the blacks get a lot of practice on moving targets...

But they have strict gun control in Chicago so it must be crime free.

210   Bap33     2013 Jul 16, 12:36pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

+10 for Moderate Infidel

211   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   181/181 = 100% civil   2013 Jul 16, 1:52pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Moderate Infidel says

But they have strict gun control in Chicago so it must be crime free.

not when racial profiling is heavily practiced.

212   thomaswong.1986     2013 Jul 16, 1:55pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

I think it's poverty and attitude. Because most murders happen in the black ghettos. Normal blacks, or even non blacks, don't go around murdering others.

Its kind of strange to call it "poverty"... the shooters are all into the highly $$$ drug trade. Same is true across the border in Mexico.. its not the poor who are shooting themself.. its the highly rich street gangsters who are making lots of money...

Depends what you define as normal ? what is normal in the black community?

213   thomaswong.1986     2013 Jul 16, 2:01pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Mark D says

not when racial profiling is heavily practiced.

organize and arm a hundred community members into night patrols and see

what happens.. let them learn how to spot the local street gangster hanging

around 2-3am in the morning...

who are they going to find most often ? Most likely a Latino or Black

214   Moderate Infidel     2013 Jul 16, 3:14pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I've been victimized by both whites and blacks. Hispanics like me. Was yelled at by a Jew once.

215   Goran_K   516/516 = 100% civil   2013 Jul 17, 1:40am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FortWayne says

I think it's poverty and attitude. Because most murders happen in the black ghettos. Normal blacks, or even non blacks, don't go around murdering others.

Crime rises with poverty. Especially in communities that have a mindset of violence. I remember one time when my wife and I were flipping through the channels we saw one of those channels for "black entertainment". It was very violent. And that's what those people watch out there I assume, since it is "black entertainment".

I definitely think it's cultural. "Thug life", or "gangsta life" is popular with a lot of youth in the black community. It glorifies violence, shooting in vengeance with a "nina" which I guess is slang for a pistol, and also gaining wealth at all cost, even in illicit activities.

In Korea town in Los Angeles, you have a lot of run down ghetto areas, but the incidence of Korean originated violent crime is 10x less than comparable black originated violent crime in South LA only a few miles away. So why the huge disparity?

I think it's culture.

An interesting aside, in 2009, FBI statistics showed that blacks committed more murders than whites, and hispanics (excluding hispanics of non-white origin) combined. Also blacks who did commit murders overwhelming killed other blacks, and whites.

Also, out of all rape committed against white women, blacks were responsible for over 1/3. Rape of black women by white men was almost statistically ZERO, which surprised me actually.

216   foxmannumber1     2013 Jul 17, 2:09am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

Goran_K says

I think it's culture.

Race creates culture. Racially diverse cultures are a new concept in the modern world. People simply couldn't travel the distance to reach another land like they can today, nor were they accepted as equals if they did reach the new land. It's simply wrong to think that if blacks were in Europe tens of thousands of years ago that they would create the same basic culture and civilization that whites did.

Hypothetically speaking, if one group believed that another group historically oppressed them and were still treating them unfairly today, it would make sense for those 2 groups to want to separate through violence or peaceful relocation. By separating, there could be no more claims of oppression and everyone would be left to make their own fate.

Blacks do not want this separation. Blacks want to live in a white dominated world as a privileged citizen. Whites give blacks this in the USA with legally protected classes, AA/EO and the willingness to subsidize degenerate black behavior with white funded tax dollars.

217   Moderate Infidel     2013 Jul 17, 2:45am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Goran_K says

Also, out of all rape committed against white women, blacks were responsible for over 1/3. Rape of black women by white men was almost statistically ZERO, which surprised me actually.

The average black woman can kick you're cracka ass.

218   Moderate Infidel     2013 Jul 17, 2:47am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Also black women are busy being raped by their mommas boyfriend and white guys don't like to share.

219   Reality     2013 Jul 17, 2:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

foxmannumber1 says

It's simply wrong to think that if blacks were in Europe tens of thousands of years ago that they would create the same basic culture and civilization that whites did.

Well, that's precisely what happened. When humanity started in tropical Africa, the human female selected their mates for darker skin pigmentation: so as to avoid easy skin burns and skin cancer. All homo sapien sapien ancestors were black. When a small subgroup migrated to higher latitude Europe, the relative lack of sunshine made darker skin color not a asset but a liability: pigmentation blocked out UV, which is necessary for Vitamin D generation and calcium absorption. So the human female started selecting mates for traits that was helpful for good teeth and strong bones in high latitude long dark winter . . . that meant lighter skin tones. Incidentally, that may well have incorporated some Neanderthal males that had already been living in Europe. Neanderthal genes are more pronounced among whites from Europe.

Sexual selection takes effect very quickly. The social stratefication of North America has already produced a much lighter skinned "African American" population than the original shipped from Africa. That took only a few hundred years.

220   foxmannumber1     2013 Jul 17, 3:05am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Neanderthal DNA is found in every sub species of human except sub Saharan Africans.

http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.htm

This is pretty convincing evidence that I believe proves the racial egalitarians wrong. We are all *not* the same if everyone but one race has DNA from mating with another species.

"African Americans" are not pure bred sub Saharan Africans, which lightens their skin tone.

221   CL   53/53 = 100% civil   2013 Jul 17, 4:25am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

Wether it is murders or crimes blacks do have a higher proportion of crimes. There is nothing wrong in acknowledging that or even looking at why.

What are the percentages of whites who get charged at all? What percentage have good lawyers? What percentage get released on their own recognizance? What percentage of whites get charged with lesser crimes? What percentage plea bargain?

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