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Republicans are refusing to pass most legislation in the House

By iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 2, 1:12am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   18,807 views   98 comments   watch (0)   share   quote  

Even bipartisan legislation. Even the necessary federal highway bill that passed in the Senate by 74 votes.

Republicans are total failures at running government. How long until the approximately 50% of American voters who are holding this country hostage realize this?

Actually Republicans do have a plan to move the bill forward: Speaker John Boehner wants to start allowing earmarks again. Sometimes you just gotta laugh.


1   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 4, 7:41am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

socal2 says

Gone nuts? Like the new Ryan Plan that still adds trillions to our deficit, albeit at a much slower and smaller pace compared to the Obama budget?

I wish all Republicans could experience the Ryan plan first hand without dragging the Democratic citizens down with them.

You Republican drones have no fucking clue how much pain you're in for if Republicans ever capture the White House and Senate. The 2012 campaign is one of pure ignorance and self-destruction on the right.

2   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 5, 6:50am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

wthrfrk80 says

As I heard someone say once "politics is the art of the possible." Humans are driven by greed and fear. Greed = Capitalism, Fear = War. Maybe that's just how history has to work: cycles of greed and fear, creation and destruction.

Bingo. That's why I think we're headed for dictatorship. It might take a decade or 50 years or longer, but eventually enough rage over the aristocracy will be generated that the people will demand it.

The odd thing about American politics is that rage over actions of the aristocracy is being carefully molded by propaganda into rage against the government. It's the wolf convincing the sheep to get rid of the sheepdog.

3   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 2, 7:45am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

CaptainShuddup says

Iwog just blame me, it's my fault.

If I'm elected president again, I can promise you 4 more years of Ball kicking madness. And you can blame for those failures as well.

I would ask you to list the last 4 years of ball kicking madness, I mean the SPECIFIC actions that you hate so much, but we both know you couldn't list them.

Oh yeah you might manage "OBAMACARE!" and "BAILOUTS!" but that's about it. You actually don't give a shit that Obamacare is mostly Newt Gingrich's old health care plan, or that Bush was the signer on far more bailouts than Obama, but otherwise you'd be mute. You have nothing. You know nothing. If it's not on Hannity and Savage, you can't talk about it.

4   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 2, 12:10pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

socal2 says

It was not enough to give the Democrats, the House, Senate and the Presidency in 2008. The Democrats could only get things done if they had absolute power.

Funny......this is exactly like saying "You've got the house hooked up to the water main, why do we have to turn the valve too?????"

You wont talk about specifics. I always talk about specifics. You're not in the real world.

socal2 says

I don't recall Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton or Bush II having Obama type majorities in Congress. Yet they managed to compromise with the other party to get legislation passed let alone passing a budget.

None of those presidents had to fight the propaganda machine that is wrecking this nation. Repealing the fairness doctrine ensured that public opinion mirrored whoever spent the most money. The rise of suicide politics is the rise of Newscorp.

In case you're going to respond with something silly like "But but you can't blame FOX!" please explain to us how Hitler came to power and was able to commit atrocities without propaganda? Propaganda is a tool of war, and in this case a tool of the right wing against America.

socal2 says

And don't even start with the fillibuster as it was the Democrats in the Senate that started using it on everything to block Bush's judicial nominees. Goose gander and all that.

"But they did it tooooooo" isn't an argument. This thread is about Republicans blocking a Republican bill. The gross stupidity of trying to defend this action can't be exaggerated.

5   Kevin   2012 Apr 2, 4:47pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Republicans have the single goal of making the federal government collapse. They want a return of the gilded age and they don't even make a secret out of it.

They're winning.

6   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 4, 12:38am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Cloud says

Ok. Republicans baaaaaaddd. Democrats gooooood. The bill still provides dictatorial powers to Obama, a bill your supreme leader signed. What is there to understand here?

I really don't care. This country is destined for dictatorship as every world superpower democracy eventually succumbs to dictatorship. It's inevitable and your friends at Fox are helping to accomplish this far ahead of schedule. Greece, Rome, France, England, and many others have done exactly that.

Should Obama have vetoed the NDAA? Yes. Is the passage of the NDAA more important than the economic issues that will destroy our economy? Absolutely not. Dictatorships and revolutions arise out of economic chaos, not obscure provisions buried in defense authorizations.

So basically Obama is playing with matches while you and your psychopath friends are using a flamethrower on an oil refinery. You're so manipulated and brainwashed that all Fox has to do is use the word "Muppet" in a single broadcast and they've got you parroting it a hundred times on a message board.

Do you have any idea how pathetic this makes you look?

7   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 4, 1:05am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

CaptainShuddup says

How do you know how many years he attended church?

What did you ride up his ass for 20 years. You just know what his creators told you.

OMG you're right!!!!!! That must have been fake too! All those fake friends and fake church leaders giving fake interviews about fake sermons and fake bake sales.

Obama's daughters received fake Baptisms (those records must have been faked too) by Reverend Wright, which we all know is a fake pastor talking about his fake memories.

This REALLY makes me want to be a Republican...........

8   freak80   2012 Apr 4, 1:18am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

At least Iwog is making reasonable arguments based on facts, and not just spewing emotional reasoning.

There are some respectable conservative types on Patnet, I think. Rootvg and FortWayne come to mind.

But it seems like there are quite a few "unhinged" far-right types on here spewing the same talking points I can get from AM radio. Cloud, TPB/CaptainShuddup, and HonestAbe come to mind.

9   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 4, 4:37am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

CaptainShuddup says


Mah-muh muh na-nah


muh muh nun-nah

Ask a Foxbot a question, and this is the answer you get. Republicans really are the party of pure political dogma.

10   leo707   2012 Apr 4, 4:50am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

CaptainShuddup says

Mah-muh muh na-nah

muh muh nun-nah

Wait one minute please...

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OK, I just had to hold my two year old on my lap for a bit so you could get a reply from someone with an equivalent level of intellectual capacity and critical thinking skills.

You are welcome.

You should really try and broaden your intellectual horizons, because this time next year I will not be able to do you this favor.

11   freak80   2012 Apr 4, 5:12am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  


Are you on here being paid by the DNC to make conservatives and Republicans look like idiots? You're doing a good job of it.

12   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 4, 7:50am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Simpson-Bowles was beheaded on the House floor.

I see zero chance of it ever being resurrected. It might be a good idea, but that doesn't matter much these days.

13   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 5, 6:17am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

wthrfrk80 says

My argument: rather than take the wealth of the aristocracy and destroy it, why not give some of it to the very poor? I'm thinking it's better to have a european-style socialist democracy than more wars.

That would work great, however now you've got billions of dollars of money from the aristocracy being put to work convincing approximately half of all Americans that this isn't necessary and in fact taxes are still too high for rich people.

Basically today 2012.

War works pretty good because it scares the shit out of the very class that has the most to lose: The rich. Bombing works because it destroys assets primarily owned by the rich. The Great Depression was such a shock to the system that a clear majority finally supported a strongly progressive tax system and in 1946 we had a top tax rate of 90% on the rich.

So I guess I'll modify my statement. Breaking a window is an effective way to stimulate the economy as long as the person paying for the construction and labor can afford it without a corresponding loss to other spending. It's far more beneficial to simply install new windows for the poor, but there is no incentive to do so.

Therefore the main benefit of destruction economics is incentive to move money. Any other system that forces rich people to move money will also be effective.

14   leo707   2012 Apr 5, 7:10am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

iwog says

The odd thing about American politics is that rage over actions of the aristocracy is being carefully molded by propaganda into rage against the government. It's the wolf convincing the sheep to get rid of the sheepdog.

Holding the reigns of the Teaparty is one of the smartest things that the aristocracy has done to preserve their position.

15   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2012 Apr 6, 5:32pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Just introduce a helicopter hunting bill for the rich to shoot the poor from the sky with indemnity and it will pass the House in minutes.

16   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 2, 4:09am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

The real tragedy, and this is indefensible by the right, is that the Democrats attempted to pass all kinds of neglected legislation (the transportation bill is left over from 2005) however Republicans have effectively shut down ALL legislation in the Senate since Democrats took over in 2007.

Those of you who still cling to the desperate hope that both parties are exactly the same need to look at the facts and stop with the cliches.

17   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 2, 6:41am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

socal2 says

How many bills have the Democrat controlled Senate refused to pass that made it through the Republican controlled House? Ryan plan anyone?

The Ryan plan is the stupidest most vile piece of sewage every proposed by any party in any era. The ONLY people who support the Ryan plan are those who are bloody ignorant about what it says. Cap my taxes at 25%? Cut capital gains again? Works for me........I'll suck up the last few crumbs and move to South America before the entire country descends into a 50-year depression.

Furthermore the Republicans do not get dictatorial powers because they have the House majority. For 200 years legislation passed both houses because of compromise. Now we have a Republican party that refuses to compromise.

Result? Republicans can't even pass Republican bills. What's so amazing about the transportation bill...........the transportation bill of 2005, is that it's a fucking Republican bill. Your idiotic party can't even pass its own legislation let alone work with Democrats on compromise.

socal2 says

Worse, the Democrat controlled Senate hasn't passed a single budget in 3 years! And you want to blame this all on Republicans? Up is down. Black is white.....

Anyone who utters the phrase "Democrat controlled Senate" without any mention of the filibuster rule is spewing right-wing propaganda and should be ignored. The reason you don't mention it is because it doesn't exist in your sphere of reality.

There's no ideological debate in America anymore. Most public discourse is the left trying to convince the right what reality is.

18   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 2, 7:27am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

socal2 says

When Obama and the Democrats had near super MAJORITIES in all 3 branches of the Federal Government, the Senate still couldn't pass a budget.

First let us clarify the truth as opposed to your alternate reality, which in this case is somewhat bizzare:

1. Supermajority in the House has no meaning because there is no filibuster rule in the house. That's branch one.
2. Supermajority in the Supreme Court has no meaning because it's not a fucking legislature. However there has been a Republican majority in the Supreme Court since Reagan. That's branch two.
3. The Supermajoirty in the Senate lasted from July 8, 2009 to September 25, 2009. During much of that period, the Senate was out for Summer recess. The only major piece of legislation Democrats were able to get passed was health care reform. There wasn't time for anything else.

socal, you are the PERFECT representative of the Republican right. Totally ignorant of reality.

Again I find myself wasting time trying to convince you of what reality is instead of discussing ideology. This is the fundamental problem with America today. You simply do not exist in the real world and you just proved it. (again)

19   iwog (231/231 = 100% civil)   2012 Apr 3, 3:31am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

wthrfrk80 says

Scary isn't it?

Definitely, and the foot soldiers of the new aristocrat movement have the audacity to name themselves after the Tea Party. Pure Orwellian.

20   leo707   2012 Apr 3, 4:16am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

iwog says

wthrfrk80 says

Scary isn't it?

Definitely, and the foot soldiers of the new aristocrat movement have the audacity to name themselves after the Tea Party. Pure Orwellian.

I don't think that it is so much audacity is that it is naivete about who they are really working for.

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