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Hurricane Sandy

By EastCoastBubbleBoy   2012 Oct 27, 8:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   2 links   19,605 views   106 comments   watch (0)   share   quote  

Hopefuly all of us on the East Coast (myself included) are ready for this one.
Keep safe y'all.

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67   tatupu70   2012 Nov 2, 3:33am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

I figure they wouldn't let my whole neighborhood be out for long since the utility probably loses too much money if they do.

lol--I wish PSEG in NJ thought that way. I'm still out and the ETA that they are giving everyone is Nov. 9th.

68   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 2, 3:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

I'm reasonably sure that I said here (maybe on another message board) predicted that (most likely Caesars) would have a Hurricane sale in Atlantic City, and while I haven't seen that, I do see bunches of room offers in my Total Rewards account

How to Prepare For Hurricane Sandy

69   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 2, 3:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

tatupu70 says

ol--I wish PSEG in NJ thought that way. I'm still out and the ETA that they are giving everyone is Nov. 9th.

At least they are giving you an ETA. BGE refused to do that. Probably would be helpful if your local utility union wasn't tuning away non union help:

http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/some-nonunion-ala-crews-turned-away-from-sandy-recovery

A six man crew from Decatur Utilities headed up there this week, but Derrick Moore, one of the Decatur workers, said they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can't do any work there since they're not union employees.

The general manager of Decatur Utilities, Ray Hardin told Fox Business they were presented documents from the International Brotherhood of Electric Workers at a staging area in Virginia. The documents stated they had to affiliate with a union to work, which the crews could not agree to.

70   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 2, 5:29am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Atlantic City casinos reopened at 2PM today!

71   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 2, 5:42am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

72   tatupu70   2012 Nov 4, 8:13am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

At least they are giving you an ETA. BGE refused to do that. Probably would be helpful if your local utility union wasn't tuning away non union help:

lol--I'd rather have no ETA and power like you...

Finally came back on Sunday AM

73   elliemae   2012 Nov 4, 8:18am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

It's really heartbreaking to see the headline about 40,000 people who have no power, with more winter weather on the way.

74   Patrick (217/217 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 4, 8:28am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

elliemae says

40,000 people who have no power

It's a good argument for more localized power generation.

Dependencies on centralized sources of anything are risky. Centralized sources are often cheaper because of economies of scale, but they leave you vulnerable.

75   tatupu70   2012 Nov 4, 9:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

elliemae says

It's really heartbreaking to see the headline about 40,000 people who have no power, with more winter weather on the way.

I think it's much more than that. In NJ, I'm pretty sure the number is in the hundreds of thousands. Same in Long Island and NYC

76   Patrick (217/217 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 4, 9:13am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

A guy I worked with at Sun left to join a company that was founded on math showing that it's actually cheaper to generate electricity locally via natural gas than from buying electricity from the electric company -- if you have more than, say, 100 people using it.

And probably more reliable too.

77   curious2 (22/22 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 4, 9:25am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  


it's actually cheaper to generate electricity locally via natural gas than from buying electricity from the electric company -- if you have more than, say, 100 people using it.

The Bloom Box operates on that principle:

http://www.bloomenergy.com/

But in a hurricane, gas lines can become an even bigger hazard than electric lines. Some areas in New Jersey had to shut off gas because it was causing fires and burning houses down.

Eventually home solar should become more economical, though it depends on subsidies currently.

78   theoakman (6/6 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 4, 9:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  


elliemae says

40,000 people who have no power

It's a good argument for more localized power generation.

Dependencies on centralized sources of anything are risky. Centralized sources are often cheaper because of economies of scale, but they leave you vulnerable.

by localized, do you mean generated at your house or in town. Outside of home generated power, everyone woulda went down. Literally, the powerlines on everyone's street got taken out.

79   Patrick (217/217 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 4, 9:44am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

I mean, say, one block or so. About 100 people.

80   Ironman (126/134 = 94% civil)   2012 Nov 4, 9:57am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

tatupu70 says

zzyzzx says

I figure they wouldn't let my whole neighborhood be out for long since the utility probably loses too much money if they do.

lol--I wish PSEG in NJ thought that way. I'm still out and the ETA that they are giving everyone is Nov. 9th.

Wait... don't tell me... did you actually move to Scotch Plains????

81   Ironman (126/134 = 94% civil)   2012 Nov 4, 9:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

Yes, I got my electricity back on Thursday morning.

Ours came back on around 8 PM on Saturday night.

82   EastCoastBubbleBoy   2012 Nov 4, 10:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Solar wouldn't help unless you have battery backup. By law, inverters need to be "non-islanding". When power goes out, they don't function. Reason being is if somone with a solar system were pumping electric back onto an otherwise dead line, the utility guy working on it could get zapped.

My contacts in NYC / NY / NJ metro say that there are still over a million without power.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/power_restored_to_1_million_si.html#incart_river

83   tatupu70   2012 Nov 4, 10:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Call it Crazy says

Wait... don't tell me... did you actually move to Scotch Plains????

No--Westfield

84   Ironman (126/134 = 94% civil)   2012 Nov 4, 11:04am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

tatupu70 says

Call it Crazy says

Wait... don't tell me... did you actually move to Scotch Plains????

No--Westfield

Did you buy or are you renting?

85   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 5, 2:43am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

86   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 5, 2:46am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Solar wouldn't help unless you have battery backup. By law, inverters need to be "non-islanding". When power goes out, they don't function. Reason being is if somone with a solar system were pumping electric back onto an otherwise dead line, the utility guy working on it could get zapped.

Ummm, that's why you trip your main breaker so you won't backfeed. Anyway, I'm guessing that with the amount of cloud cover we have had lately and typically do after storms a solar array would have only generated enough power to light a few CFL's.

87   Ironman (126/134 = 94% civil)   2012 Nov 5, 2:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Solar wouldn't help unless you have battery backup. By law, inverters need to be "non-islanding". When power goes out, they don't function. Reason being is if somone with a solar system were pumping electric back onto an otherwise dead line, the utility guy working on it could get zapped.

That's why if you go solar, you get a secondary relay that disconnects it from the grid power. You also add a battery bank so you can power your house from the batteries and inverter.

Unfortunately, the majority of solar power systems being "sold" by the solar used car salesman are grid-tied only and are just "sold" based on monthly payments. These systems don't do a single thing for you when your incoming power stops.

I have three neighbors with roofs full of solar panels and their houses were just as dark as mine when the power went out (until I fired up my battery bank).

88   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 5, 10:36am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Call it Crazy says

Unfortunately, the majority of solar power systems being "sold" by the solar used car salesman are grid-tied only

Are too stupid to switch off their main breaker???

89   Ironman (126/134 = 94% civil)   2012 Nov 5, 11:26am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

Are too stupid to switch off their main breaker???

They aren't tied into the main panel that way. Since the main goal of the majority of the solar panel systems today is to sell power BACK to the power company, and are metered accordingly, they have a sensor that monitors incoming grid power that kills the inverter if grid power is lost.

Would make no difference if you switched off the main breaker. Actually, the house always runs off of normal grid power, that's why they have lights at night. The smart meter feeds electricity produced by the panels back to the power company during the day.

90   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 6, 12:19am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/20015067/plea-for-underwear-on-staten-island

Plea for underwear on Staten Island

Staten Island Borough President James Molinaro says the people of his community are in desperate need of fresh underwear.

91   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 6, 1:14am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

92   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 7, 3:53am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

93   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 7, 3:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

I thought how this guy prepared for the storm was interesting:

Before:

94   Patrick (217/217 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 7, 4:12am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Creative!

95   Michinaga   2012 Nov 7, 5:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Family on the Jersey Shore just got their power back on Day 10.

I live in Japan and they were all telling me to move back home after the earthquake a year and a half ago. I'm thinking of inviting them out here!

96   Ironman (126/134 = 94% civil)   2012 Nov 7, 6:05am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

I thought how this guy prepared for the storm was interesting:

Before:

Nah, I think that's how all the rednecks park their "weekend" car.. (while waiting for parts to fix it).

97   elliemae   2012 Nov 7, 9:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

the guy with the gas buckets got the idea from "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia."

98   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 7, 10:27pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Call it Crazy says

Nah, I think that's how all the rednecks park their "weekend" car.. (while waiting for parts to fix it).

I was thinking that Nissan was his winter beater.

99   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 9, 8:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Condition of Atlantic City boardwalk post hurricane Sandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vou3KqjLL8Q

It only shows the tourist area.

100   Ironman (126/134 = 94% civil)   2012 Nov 11, 6:06am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

It only shows the tourist area.

I didn't see any cats??

101   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 12, 2:08am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Call it Crazy says

I didn't see any cats??

As fast as they were traveling down the boardwalk I am not surprised. I'll be doing my own cat finding expedition in AC in December and will report back them. Supposedly the cats are still there.

102   Ironman (126/134 = 94% civil)   2012 Nov 15, 11:36pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

For those of you who think Sandy was a economic non-issue, here's report from just ONE county in NJ... there are many counties involved in NJ and NY....

Ocean County faces economic crisis post-Sandy

TOMS RIVER — An estimated $33 billion worth of taxable real estate in Ocean County has sustained catastrophic damage or been obliterated in superstorm Sandy, according to the Board of Freeholders.

“It is a catastrophe for those towns, it is a huge problem for the rest of the county, because the (ocean) beach is a third of the county’s tax base,” said Freeholder John C. Bartlett Jr., director of finance on the five-member, all-Republican committee. “From Point Pleasant to Beach Haven, it is roughly 1/3 of the value of the entire county and a lot of that has been destroyed.”

The freeholders said this week that the most aggressive reconstruction plan of the northern barrier island, among the hardest hit places on the Eastern Seaboard, will take about three years to complete.

For the county government, there are practical questions that must be addressed immediately: For example, how does the county continue to fund its $354 million annual budget if a third of its tax base is gone?

And what happens to smaller towns on the barrier island who have seen 60 to 70 percent of their own tax base disappear into the sea? How do those towns continue to fund critical functions of local government such as police and public works departments, or school districts?

“Some of the smaller towns will be absolutely devastated,” said Freeholder Joseph H. Vicari, director of county operations. “They just can’t exist anymore.”

http://www.app.com/viewart/20121115/NJNEWS/311150080/Ocean-County-faces-economic-crisis-post-Sandy?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

103   elliemae   2012 Nov 17, 5:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

That sucks. The rest of the country forgets that natural disasters (and unnatural ones as well) affect the victims for years. People are still displaced from Katrina, the Missouri tornadoes, etc.

104   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 17, 8:12am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

From what I can tell from before and after photos, among other things, there is a lot of beach replenishment to be done in NJ.

105   bob2356 (46/46 = 100% civil)   2012 Nov 17, 9:57am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Call it Crazy says

For those of you who think Sandy was a economic non-issue, here's report from just ONE county in NJ... there are many counties involved in NJ and NY....

Ocean County faces economic crisis post-Sandy

TOMS RIVER — An estimated $33 billion worth of taxable real estate in Ocean County has sustained catastrophic damage or been obliterated in superstorm Sandy, according to the Board of Freeholders.

“It is a catastrophe for those towns, it is a huge problem for the rest of the county, because the (ocean) beach is a third of the county’s tax base,” said Freeholder John C. Bartlett Jr., director of finance on the five-member, all-Republican committee. “From Point Pleasant to Beach Haven, it is roughly 1/3 of the value of the entire county and a lot of that has been destroyed.”

There is the problem, the beachfront is 1/3 of the value of the entire county but only at best 2-3% of the land thanks to federal flood insurance. Without it the area would not be nearly as built up or as valuable. Your tax dollars supporting millionaires homes on the beaches.

106   zzyzzx (42/42 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 25, 1:34pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Just got back from Atlantic City, and from what I could tell, the beach erosion was by far the most prominent difference. The beach bars were damaged as well, but it really didn't look like anything major once they are dug out. The beach replenishment that has occurred over the past year or so has been wiped out, and the beach pretty much looks exactly the same as it was before the beach replenishment (as in badly in need of beach replenishment, again).

I don't know how empty Atlantic City normally is on a Thursday night in December, but it was emptier than I have ever seen it (I had not been there in the winter before). There were no lines for anything, except at hotel checkout. The boardwalk had places that were boarded up for the storm and most likely just left that way for the season, but otherwise looked undamaged. It was cold, but above freezing but I'm guessing that the boardwalk was as thinly populated as it was because it was extremely windy.

I did feed some of the boardwalk cats. Specifically this one:

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