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Hurricane Sandy

By EastCoastBubbleBoy   2012 Oct 27, 8:49am   3 links   21,659 views   81 comments   watch (0)   quote      

Hopefuly all of us on the East Coast (myself included) are ready for this one.
Keep safe y'all.

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42   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Oct 31, 2:45am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Gallery of fake Hurricane Sandy pics:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/sandy.asp

43   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Oct 31, 4:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Now for a real pic:

44   seaside     2012 Oct 31, 6:05am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Oh, wow. That window is damn tight. Mine will let the water in in a no time. Want to know what brand window is that.

Right now I am putting weather tape arround my windows and door edge to reduce this crazy draft I got in the winter.

45   theoakman   45/45 = 100% civil   2012 Oct 31, 8:17am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I surveyed the beaches in 1992 during the last major storm that destroyed the shore. Back then, the boardwalks all got crushed and everyone's house flooded. This is an entire order of magnitude worse. This storm washed away homes. The rest of the state mostly suffered down power lines and trees all over the place. Any town that bordered the water looks like a bomb went off.

46   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 1, 3:25am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Power isn't expected back on till maybe next week, the "locals" are starting to really get "restless".

If you to the TripAdvisr Atlantic City forum people are posting about how they are going to go to Atlantic City when it opens if they still think they are going to not have electricity for some time.

47   seaside     2012 Nov 1, 10:39am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx, got your power back on?

It's getting cold. 30's in the morning, 50's in the afternoon definitely is harsh for those people in affected area. Hope they got their power back on so that they can stay warm.

48   Patrick   1777/1777 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 1, 12:48pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

49   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 2, 3:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

seaside says

zzyzzx, got your power back on?

Yes, I got my electricity back on Thursday morning. I was at work at the time, so I wasn't able to turn on the heat until after I got home then took one of my cats to the vet. I was out for around 1.5 days. Not even long enough for anything in my freezer to defrost, even a little. Not surprising since essentially my whole house was a refrigerator. This is the longest power outage I have had since I moved there in 2003. I figure they wouldn't let my whole neighborhood be out for long since the utility probably loses too much money if they do.

50   tatupu70     2012 Nov 2, 3:33am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx says

I figure they wouldn't let my whole neighborhood be out for long since the utility probably loses too much money if they do.

lol--I wish PSEG in NJ thought that way. I'm still out and the ETA that they are giving everyone is Nov. 9th.

51   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 2, 3:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

I'm reasonably sure that I said here (maybe on another message board) predicted that (most likely Caesars) would have a Hurricane sale in Atlantic City, and while I haven't seen that, I do see bunches of room offers in my Total Rewards account

How to Prepare For Hurricane Sandy

52   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 2, 3:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

tatupu70 says

ol--I wish PSEG in NJ thought that way. I'm still out and the ETA that they are giving everyone is Nov. 9th.

At least they are giving you an ETA. BGE refused to do that. Probably would be helpful if your local utility union wasn't tuning away non union help:

http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/some-nonunion-ala-crews-turned-away-from-sandy-recovery

A six man crew from Decatur Utilities headed up there this week, but Derrick Moore, one of the Decatur workers, said they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can't do any work there since they're not union employees.

The general manager of Decatur Utilities, Ray Hardin told Fox Business they were presented documents from the International Brotherhood of Electric Workers at a staging area in Virginia. The documents stated they had to affiliate with a union to work, which the crews could not agree to.

53   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 2, 5:29am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Atlantic City casinos reopened at 2PM today!

54   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 2, 5:42am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

55   tatupu70     2012 Nov 4, 8:13am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx says

At least they are giving you an ETA. BGE refused to do that. Probably would be helpful if your local utility union wasn't tuning away non union help:

lol--I'd rather have no ETA and power like you...

Finally came back on Sunday AM

56   elliemae     2012 Nov 4, 8:18am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

It's really heartbreaking to see the headline about 40,000 people who have no power, with more winter weather on the way.

57   Patrick   1777/1777 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 4, 8:28am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

elliemae says

40,000 people who have no power

It's a good argument for more localized power generation.

Dependencies on centralized sources of anything are risky. Centralized sources are often cheaper because of economies of scale, but they leave you vulnerable.

58   tatupu70     2012 Nov 4, 9:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

elliemae says

It's really heartbreaking to see the headline about 40,000 people who have no power, with more winter weather on the way.

I think it's much more than that. In NJ, I'm pretty sure the number is in the hundreds of thousands. Same in Long Island and NYC

59   Patrick   1777/1777 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 4, 9:13am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

A guy I worked with at Sun left to join a company that was founded on math showing that it's actually cheaper to generate electricity locally via natural gas than from buying electricity from the electric company -- if you have more than, say, 100 people using it.

And probably more reliable too.

60   curious2   538/538 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 4, 9:25am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    


it's actually cheaper to generate electricity locally via natural gas than from buying electricity from the electric company -- if you have more than, say, 100 people using it.

The Bloom Box operates on that principle:

http://www.bloomenergy.com/

But in a hurricane, gas lines can become an even bigger hazard than electric lines. Some areas in New Jersey had to shut off gas because it was causing fires and burning houses down.

Eventually home solar should become more economical, though it depends on subsidies currently.

61   theoakman   45/45 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 4, 9:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    


elliemae says

40,000 people who have no power

It's a good argument for more localized power generation.

Dependencies on centralized sources of anything are risky. Centralized sources are often cheaper because of economies of scale, but they leave you vulnerable.

by localized, do you mean generated at your house or in town. Outside of home generated power, everyone woulda went down. Literally, the powerlines on everyone's street got taken out.

62   Patrick   1777/1777 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 4, 9:44am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I mean, say, one block or so. About 100 people.

63   EastCoastBubbleBoy     2012 Nov 4, 10:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Solar wouldn't help unless you have battery backup. By law, inverters need to be "non-islanding". When power goes out, they don't function. Reason being is if somone with a solar system were pumping electric back onto an otherwise dead line, the utility guy working on it could get zapped.

My contacts in NYC / NY / NJ metro say that there are still over a million without power.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/power_restored_to_1_million_si.html#incart_river

64   tatupu70     2012 Nov 4, 10:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Wait... don't tell me... did you actually move to Scotch Plains????

No--Westfield

65   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 5, 2:43am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

66   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 5, 2:46am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Solar wouldn't help unless you have battery backup. By law, inverters need to be "non-islanding". When power goes out, they don't function. Reason being is if somone with a solar system were pumping electric back onto an otherwise dead line, the utility guy working on it could get zapped.

Ummm, that's why you trip your main breaker so you won't backfeed. Anyway, I'm guessing that with the amount of cloud cover we have had lately and typically do after storms a solar array would have only generated enough power to light a few CFL's.

67   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 5, 10:36am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Unfortunately, the majority of solar power systems being "sold" by the solar used car salesman are grid-tied only

Are too stupid to switch off their main breaker???

68   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 6, 12:19am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/20015067/plea-for-underwear-on-staten-island

Plea for underwear on Staten Island

Staten Island Borough President James Molinaro says the people of his community are in desperate need of fresh underwear.

69   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 6, 1:14am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

70   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 7, 3:53am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

71   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 7, 3:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

I thought how this guy prepared for the storm was interesting:

Before:

72   Patrick   1777/1777 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 7, 4:12am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Creative!

73   Michinaga     2012 Nov 7, 5:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Family on the Jersey Shore just got their power back on Day 10.

I live in Japan and they were all telling me to move back home after the earthquake a year and a half ago. I'm thinking of inviting them out here!

74   elliemae     2012 Nov 7, 9:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

the guy with the gas buckets got the idea from "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia."

75   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 7, 10:27pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Nah, I think that's how all the rednecks park their "weekend" car.. (while waiting for parts to fix it).

I was thinking that Nissan was his winter beater.

76   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 9, 8:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Condition of Atlantic City boardwalk post hurricane Sandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vou3KqjLL8Q

It only shows the tourist area.

77   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 12, 2:08am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Call it Crazy says

I didn't see any cats??

As fast as they were traveling down the boardwalk I am not surprised. I'll be doing my own cat finding expedition in AC in December and will report back them. Supposedly the cats are still there.

78   elliemae     2012 Nov 17, 5:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

That sucks. The rest of the country forgets that natural disasters (and unnatural ones as well) affect the victims for years. People are still displaced from Katrina, the Missouri tornadoes, etc.

79   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 17, 8:12am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

From what I can tell from before and after photos, among other things, there is a lot of beach replenishment to be done in NJ.

80   bob2356   494/498 = 99% civil   2012 Nov 17, 9:57am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

For those of you who think Sandy was a economic non-issue, here's report from just ONE county in NJ... there are many counties involved in NJ and NY....

Ocean County faces economic crisis post-Sandy

TOMS RIVER — An estimated $33 billion worth of taxable real estate in Ocean County has sustained catastrophic damage or been obliterated in superstorm Sandy, according to the Board of Freeholders.

“It is a catastrophe for those towns, it is a huge problem for the rest of the county, because the (ocean) beach is a third of the county’s tax base,” said Freeholder John C. Bartlett Jr., director of finance on the five-member, all-Republican committee. “From Point Pleasant to Beach Haven, it is roughly 1/3 of the value of the entire county and a lot of that has been destroyed.”

There is the problem, the beachfront is 1/3 of the value of the entire county but only at best 2-3% of the land thanks to federal flood insurance. Without it the area would not be nearly as built up or as valuable. Your tax dollars supporting millionaires homes on the beaches.

81   zzyzzx   569/569 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 25, 1:34pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Just got back from Atlantic City, and from what I could tell, the beach erosion was by far the most prominent difference. The beach bars were damaged as well, but it really didn't look like anything major once they are dug out. The beach replenishment that has occurred over the past year or so has been wiped out, and the beach pretty much looks exactly the same as it was before the beach replenishment (as in badly in need of beach replenishment, again).

I don't know how empty Atlantic City normally is on a Thursday night in December, but it was emptier than I have ever seen it (I had not been there in the winter before). There were no lines for anything, except at hotel checkout. The boardwalk had places that were boarded up for the storm and most likely just left that way for the season, but otherwise looked undamaged. It was cold, but above freezing but I'm guessing that the boardwalk was as thinly populated as it was because it was extremely windy.

I did feed some of the boardwalk cats. Specifically this one:

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