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What’s really going to change now that marijuana is legal?

By TwoScoopsMcGee   2012 Nov 8, 1:35am   1,474 views   15 comments   watch (1)   quote      

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/08/former-washington-colorado-cops-explain-whats-really-going-to-change-now-that-marijuana-is-legal/?source=Patrick.net

The group worked tirelessly with other advocates in Colorado, Washington and Oregon, where two of three statewide marijuana legalization initiatives passed on Tuesday. “We’ve already seen some of those changes in states with medical marijuana laws,” Ryan said. “We’ve seen a reduction in teen use of marijuana in states that have marijuana laws. Studies have shown that drunk driving also goes down — some people prefer to relax with marijuana instead of alcohol, which leads to the rate of drunk driving traffic fatalities going down. There are a lot of significant things that happen, as far as we know.” Stamper...

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1   Ceffer   558/558 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 1:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I can't remember.

2   lostand confused   225/225 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 1:44am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The number of people going to jail will be less?

3   Ceffer   558/558 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 1:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The average IQ trend of young people goes from 100 in 1960 to 75 in 2013?

I love all these sanguine apostolics about the virtues of drug use and fake statistics about how it benefits society (straight form the pusher man?). No wonder they sell them at playgrounds, there's no down side at all!

Doesn't occur that drunk/stoned driving fatalities and accidents will increase because their doing them BOTH at the same time.

We need to legalize cocaine and meth to get them back UP again before they put the keys in the ignition. Wouldn't want to endanger anybody.

After all, the judgment of a marijuana advocate has got to be really, really good, right, man! Right on, Right on!

4   TwoScoopsMcGee   1266/1266 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 2:03am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Alcoholism and drunk driving have been declining steadily over the past 80 years since prohibition ended.

Tobacco use has been dropping like a stone, and it's never been banned.

Drug prohibition ain't working, just like alcohol prohibition didn't work.

All the Drug War has done is made cops less responsive to real crimes, less helpful and more antagonistic towards the general public, and overfocused on one narrow range of crimes. Not to mention spurred anti-civil liberties and anti-property rights policies like asset forfeiture, where you have to prove your innocence to get your property back.

5   Ceffer   558/558 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 2:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Didn't say it shouldn't be legalized.

However, that does not make it "good", just substituting one devil for another for pragmatic purposes.

One of the areas I spend time has pretty rampant public use, anyway, can't go out without smelling it.

6   TwoScoopsMcGee   1266/1266 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 2:36am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

It's doesn't make it "Good", I agree.

Would rather deal with potheads than drunks though. I've seen a lot of beer bottles smashed over heads, I've never seen somebody get a bong smashed over their head.

7   errc   468/475 = 98% civil   2012 Nov 8, 2:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

What are the differences between decriminalization and legalization?

I always understood them as two wwholly different things, relative to the current mess we have with prohibition and criminalization.

To me, decriminalizing marijuana means removing all the laws currently in place with prohibition, and the associated penalties.

Legalization on the other hand, is merely swapping out the current crappy set of rules/laws/penalties, with more of the same, just of a different flavor.

8   Ceffer   558/558 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 3:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

There is no way to completely decriminalize. The Gov is going to want its pound of flesh, like bonding warehouses for alcohol and tobacco taxes.

Allowing a free market with taxation won't remove criminal activity completely, because criminals will still attempt to acquire and distribute without taxes, as with moonshine liquor and mafia tax avoidance on cigarettes. However, the crime becomes tax avoidance, not personal possession or use.

Additional civil and criminal issue are use and sale of the substance in public places, licensing for sale and distribution, age restrictions, definitions of impairment for legal purposes in workplaces and operating machinery, implications on driver's licenses, drug testing for employment, personal cultivation and use etc. etc.

There are also conflicting state and local laws, i.e. the state can legalize possession and use of small amounts, but the DEA still attacks cultivation and transportation.

9   Quigley   510/515 = 99% civil   2012 Nov 8, 3:21am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Money is a stand-in for Power.
Criminalizing marijuana leaves an opportunity for violent criminals to obtain large amounts of money.
It takes money from the people, and government takes their rights for their own protection, of course!
Therefore: criminalization gives power to violent criminals and takes it from the people.
How can that be a good thing?

10   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 3:25am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Tax revenues will increase, and incarceration expenses will decrease. Other state taxes won't decrease any to make up for the increased pot revenue, and the politicians will spend even more money on stupid stuff. and that's really what this is about.

11   StoutFiles     2012 Nov 8, 3:26am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Criminalizing marijuana leaves an opportunity for violent criminals to obtain large amounts of money.

Violent criminals are violent criminals regardless of whether drugs are legal or not. If you take away selling drugs, they will just move back to the ol' kidnapping & extortion.

12   Ceffer   558/558 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 3:42am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

We should give marijuana cigarettes to babys to keep them quiet. After all, a quiet baby is a good baby, right?

Better yet, bourbon and honey in the milk, too. Now there's a peaceful child!

13   errc   468/475 = 98% civil   2012 Nov 8, 3:49am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ceffer says

We should give marijuana cigarettes to babys to keep them quiet. After all, a quiet baby is a good baby, right?

Better yet, bourbon and honey in the milk, too. Now there's a peaceful child!

No, you should feed the children cereal and fruit juice, that way they can consume qpps of grams of highly toxic and addictive sugars. Not only does this stunt brain growth, making them stupid, but it is the perfect gateway drug for generations of future aderal users

Everything is relative. Marijuana is non toxic. Marijuana is an anti-inflamatory. There is plenty of utility in marijuana, and its so easy to grow for yourself and takes virtually nothing outside of sun and water and minimal nutrients to produce, and to consume, one mearly needs a fat such as coconut oil for the body to absorb

14   lostand confused   225/225 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 3:52am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ceffer says

We should give marijuana cigarettes to babys to keep them quiet. After all, a quiet baby is a good baby, right?


Better yet, bourbon and honey in the milk, too. Now there's a peaceful child!

That is just silly.

15   TwoScoopsMcGee   1266/1266 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 8, 4:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ceffer says

We should give marijuana cigarettes to babys to keep them quiet. After all, a quiet baby is a good baby, right?

Worked for Queen Victoria.

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