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China to Build World's Tallest Building, 220 Stories, in 90 Days

By Mish   2012 Nov 20, 6:07am   19,421 views   86 comments   watch (3)   quote      

Sky City: China to Build World's Tallest Building, 220 Stories, in 90 Days
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/11/sky-city-china-to-build-worlds-tallest.html
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47   C Boy     2012 Nov 23, 5:37am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

C Boy says

Of course, it only took 14 months to build the Empire State Building back in 1930.

And its still standing.

can it be seen from space?

Better than that, I think it can be seen from Brooklyn.

48   C Boy     2012 Nov 23, 5:40am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

What happens in China when you don't want to sell your house so they can build another pointless highway:

49   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 23, 11:56am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

Americans started to buy Made in China junk when the economy was much better. Walmart pioneered this and people everywhere loved a good bargain.

that doesn't change the fact that Americans are too bankrupted NOW to buy from another country now. does it?

you still haven't commented on Wallmart stock.

the way i look at it, everyone knows how crappy Chinese products are so why do Americans keep buying it? two possible scenarios:

1) they can't afford anything better, so they have no rights to complain. in a free market, you don't demand better products from a certain producer. what you do is you stop buying and they will either have to close their business or improve their quality. so why do Americans keep buying and complaining at the same time? i'll answer this one: it's the entitlement attitude. too bad, the Chinese aren't looking to buy votes so they shrug it off.

2) they are just really irrational, illogical human beings.

which would you prefer?

you sound as if the politicians are from a different country. who elected them? how many percent of Americans can say the name their Vice President? it's time for Americans to take responsibility and stop blaming it on the politicians, the rich, the foreigners, the Asian immigrants for things they have done TO THEMSELVES.

50   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 23, 11:58am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

maxweber21 says

Nice thread where one country wants to beat its chest making the tallest building and lots of posters want to beat their chest about how great their favorite country is. Me, I give China a real challenge: put a human colony on Mars. That will impress me.

i give you a real challenge: stop shopping at Walmart for one year. that will impress me!

51   Rin   165/166 = 99% civil   2012 Nov 23, 12:21pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

i give you a real challenge: stop shopping at Walmart for one year. that will impress me!

It's either Walmart or Target (or Amazon online). There really aren't that many retail chains these days.

52   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 23, 1:07pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

btw, why Mars? what bout the Moon? it's not like someone has ACTUALLY been there before...

53   Kevin     2012 Nov 23, 5:04pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

that doesn't change the fact that Americans are too bankrupted NOW to buy from another country now. does it?

What on earth are you talking about? China represents 20% of American imports and less than 8% of American purchases as a whole. Clearly Americans can buy from lots of places, including domestic.

Mark D says

two possible scenarios:

3. They buy things that are essentially 'disposable' from china, because being as cheap as possible is all that matters. There's not much difference between $1 socks and $10 socks.

Mark D says

i give you a real challenge: stop shopping at Walmart for one year. that will impress me!

I have never purchased anything from wal-mart in my entire life. What do I win?

54   Bigsby     2012 Nov 23, 5:15pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

the way i look at it, everyone knows how crappy Chinese products are so why do Americans keep buying it?

They do? Where do you think a lot of your fancy electronic items are manufactured?

55   ELC     2012 Nov 23, 8:33pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

it's time for Americans to take responsibility and stop blaming it on the politicians

It wasn't until I traveled to other countries that I learned how ignorant Americans are compared to the rest of the world. Don't expect any change soon. The majority will have their arogant heads up their asses for many decades. Immigrants are the best thing that ever happened to America. It will also help when the baby boomers die off. They're a plague to this country as well.

56   coriacci1     2012 Nov 24, 1:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

B.A.C.A.H. says

the Industrial Revolution was made possible with the land and resources taken from the Native Americans

no mention of the international black african slave trade lining the purses and fueling the foundries on both sides of the atlantic.

57   B.A.C.A.H.     2012 Nov 24, 2:16am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Guys, the Industrial Revolution did not just happen in the USA. It also occurred in Europe where there was no big resource grab from Native Americans and no widespread practice of African slaves. Nor was not fueled by huge transport of natural resource plunder from North America which came much later.

58   bob2356   494/498 = 99% civil   2012 Nov 24, 3:01am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

So world travel revealed your American ignorance?

America has no monopoly on arrogance or ignorance. Your post reveals a lot of prejudice.

Americans are very ignorant of what goes on outside of their own country compared to a lot of the rest of the world. There is a definitely quite a bit of arrogance that comes from this ignorance. Very, very few Americans live or work outside of America compared to the rest of the world. In most of Europe. Asia, and to a lessor degree South America an educated professional person who has not worked or lived overseas is uncommon and it would actually be somewhat of a career hindrance. Unskilled and skilled labour also flows very freely around the world except in America.

I for one find it shameful to be a baby boomer. The selfish total refusal of the "me" generation to accept responsibility for paying for the government they demanded is going to end in disaster.

59   taxee     2012 Nov 24, 3:33am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

What the USA did do is build the strongest military/police force in the world and it backs the worlds reserve currency. For better or for worse, say what you like, that still gives us street cred.

60   ELC     2012 Nov 24, 3:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

Labeling an entire generation is prejudice.

Or in this case, accurate. Bunch of assholes.

61   ELC     2012 Nov 24, 4:03am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

Your post reveals a lot of prejudice.

So even if it's true it's prejudice?

62   ELC     2012 Nov 24, 4:07am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

What good has your generation brought the world?

It will take a while for any future generation to repair what the baby boomers have screwed up. They pissed away World War II's plunder rather than investing it to forge a better world. Now they're in the red. Useless spoiled fools.

63   B.A.C.A.H.     2012 Nov 24, 5:14am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

taxee says

What the USA did do is build the strongest military/police force in the world and it backs the worlds reserve currency. For better or for worse, say what you like, that still gives us street cred.

I think with enough nuclear weapons to destroy most life on the planet, and with abundant natural resources, it is different this time.. We can be isolationists.

64   ELC     2012 Nov 24, 6:43am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

Yes, broad sweeping generalizations are prejudice.

Even if they're true?

All rattlesnakes are dangerous. So now I'm prejudiced against rattlesnakes.

65   ELC     2012 Nov 24, 6:50am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

the boomers fought there. ...
Obama's a Boomer.

I'm Obama's age and I was way too young to fight in the Vietnam war.

66   ELC     2012 Nov 24, 6:56am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

We're the ones that call you on your prejudice.

Oh, and they're also world class hypocrites.

67   ELC     2012 Nov 24, 7:00am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

Were the ones who witnessed a worldwide change where more people were judged on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

The only ones who believe that are white people.

68   ELC     2012 Nov 24, 7:05am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

So your a boomer and you think all boomers are a "Bunch of assholes"?
Speak for yourself!

I was two when Kennedy was killed. I don't consider myself a boomer and even if I was I spent enough time away from America and the boob tube to not be stupidified.

69   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 24, 10:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

ELC says

Mark D says

it's time for Americans to take responsibility and stop blaming it on the politicians

It wasn't until I traveled to other countries that I learned how ignorant Americans are compared to the rest of the world. Don't expect any change soon. The majority will have their arogant heads up their asses for many decades. Immigrants are the best thing that ever happened to America. It will also help when the baby boomers die off. They're a plague to this country as well.

thank you for saying that. at least i know there are some Americans out there who are not anti-immigrant/foreigners for no good reasons.

70   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 24, 11:15am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

B.A.C.A.H. says

Guys, the Industrial Revolution did not just happen in the USA. It also occurred in Europe where there was no big resource grab from Native Americans and no widespread practice of African slaves. Nor was not fueled by huge transport of natural resource plunder from North America which came much later.

wiki disagrees:
But in the west Europe they were rapidly expanding, demographically, economically and culturally, [b]with the new wealth of the Americas fuelling a boom that laid the foundations for the growth of capitalism and the industrial revolution.[/b]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Middle_East

apparently the natural resources and cheap labor in Americas played a major role.

the first thing taught in any courses of early civilizations is the important agriculture revolution. without the food surplus, most people would be farmers and have no time to be in any specialized job such as carpenter, builder, traders, inventors, etc. not a lot of inventions would have been made.

natural resources and labor are the other two major factors for growth. it's hard to have free time to invent anything when people don't have enough natural resources and have to spend all day looking for them.

Americas have made the last two things abundantly available for the West with a huge amount of natural resources taken from Native Americans and the labor from slaves.

the Industrial Revolution happening in the West was also dependent on a huge amount of luck. Genghis Khan died when his army was marching towards Britians and his army had to go back since they no longer had a leader. since they ravaged anywhere from Asia to the Middle East to Eastern Europe, the West was spared and the Industrial Revolution happened there.

moreover, the Industrial Revolution would not have happened if the West didn't have the technologies and wealth acquired from the Middle East (The Crusades), the mathematics from India (the decimal system originally came from India, was adopted by the Middle East and later replaced the Roman Numerals), and many inventions "borrowed" from China namely Gunpowder, paper, printing, and the compass.

Columbus would not have found Americas if it wasn't for the compass MADE IN CHINA.

71   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 24, 11:24am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

B.A.C.A.H. says

taxee says

What the USA did do is build the strongest military/police force in the world and it backs the worlds reserve currency. For better or for worse, say what you like, that still gives us street cred.

I think with enough nuclear weapons to destroy most life on the planet, and with abundant natural resources, it is different this time.. We can be isolationists.

don't forget China has enough nukes to destroy the U.S. pay your debts first before talking about being isolationists.

72   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 24, 1:29pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

In an M.A.D. situation I would much rather be the debtor.

LOL!

China does not have first-strike (counter-force) capability.

Nuclear winter solves global warming.

73   B.A.C.A.H.     2012 Nov 24, 1:41pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark, if you say so.

Why are you here, anyway?

74   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 24, 7:27pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Peter P says

In an M.A.D. situation I would much rather be the debtor.

LOL!

China does not have first-strike (counter-force) capability.

Nuclear winter solves global warming.

then why did the U.S back out in Korea and in Vietnam? (after losing).

lets face it. the U.S is afraid of China.

75   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 24, 7:32pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

B.A.C.A.H. says

Mark, if you say so.

Why are you here, anyway?

"in the world of the blind, the one-eyed is the KING" (Asian proverb).

that and a company in America asked me to come here and work for them. they said their country didn't have enough talented and hard working people. too many lazy, ignorant, anti-immigrant good for nothing deadbeats with useless degrees. they don't like people who put in minimum amount of work and expect high pays and sue the company every chance they get. they needed people like me.

then the gov gave me U.S citizenship. they too wanted me to stay and help pay the taxes since the U.S is bankrupted and the Americans are too lazy. they all want entitlement programs but no one is willing to pay for it. they also told me not to worry about the anti-immigrant racists. they would much rather have productive people like me than those lazy deadbeats.

if you don't like this arrangement why are you still here?

76   Kevin     2012 Nov 24, 8:34pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

B.A.C.A.H. says

taxee says

What the USA did do is build the strongest military/police force in the world and it backs the worlds reserve currency. For better or for worse, say what you like, that still gives us street cred.

I think with enough nuclear weapons to destroy most life on the planet, and with abundant natural resources, it is different this time.. We can be isolationists.

don't forget China has enough nukes to destroy the U.S. pay your debts first before talking about being isolationists.

You must not live in a reality-based society.

77   Michinaga     2012 Nov 24, 11:07pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

in case you don't know, ONLY 2000 years go, when the Germanic tribes (aka the Barbarians) first came out of that tiny area called Icelands, running around naked, making funny noises, the Chinese already had astronomy observatories and algebra.

Assuming that you're talking about the mathematics that the Chinese were able to do with their rod numerals, the calculating boards with sticks on them (called 算木 in Japanese; I forget the Chinese name) were indeed impressive, but not significantly superior to the abacus-like devices seen in Rome at that time. (Chinese numerals trounce Roman numerals, I admit.)

It wasn't until after AD 1400 that you started hearing about the famous modern abacus or suan p‘an (算盤) that until very recently could be operated faster than a Western calculator. And by that time China had already been receiving influence from the West, and notably India. It is difficult to imagine that these two cultures progressed in mathematics totally in parallel, not sharing anything, and indeed the complete lack of the use of the zero by the Chinese until it suddenly shows up in India, and then immediately after in China, implies that they learned from each other.

Instead of Chinese supremacism, how about appreciating all the mathematical and scientific achievements of mankind? When I first learned about China's, I was mightily impressed, but I wasn't about to start ignoring the rest of the world,

in fact, Europeans didn't learn how to take shower until a Mongolian named Genghis Khan went there and taught them how over a millennium later. think of the Black Plague if you want proof.

Whether water runs through shower pipes or not is immaterial: Westerners most certainly have been bathing since ancient times. Here's a trivia question for you: over 2000 years ago, when the great Archimedes discovered how to measure the volume of irregular objects, and at the same time, the concept of density, what was he in the middle of doing?

...

...

...Eureka!

78   lostand confused   213/213 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 24, 11:12pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

then why did the U.S backed out in Korea and in Vietnam? (after losing).
lets face it. the U.S is afraid of China.

All the obfusication cannot hide the fact that "Made in China" means junk, probably tainted with poison. Now they may improve in the future-but for now that is what it means- cheap trinkets filled with toxins.

79   David Losh     2012 Nov 25, 1:51am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

You can't deny the technology of modular building just because China makes crap to ship to the United States.

They have the ability to make anything. They make more than just crap, and I was fascinated by this construction process.

Could we do the same thing here, only better? Who knows, but it looks like the future of building.

It's like those solar panels. In less than four years they are dumping the technology, and product on us while we're still trying to figure out if solar energy is a good thing to have.

Come to think of it, wasn't the hybrid some Asian technology?

80   upisdown     2012 Nov 25, 2:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

David Losh says

You can't deny the technology of modular building just because China makes crap to ship to the United States.
They have the ability to make anything. They make more than just crap, and I was fascinated by this construction process.
Could we do the same thing here, only better? Who knows, but it looks like the future of building.

It still takes time to assemble things into whatever component that may be. It's not a new concept either. The short schedule leads people to assume that the time to manufacture all the materials and then transport them to the location to be assembled, somehow isn't factored into the total time, or that it exists.

China somehow defies chemistry and physics and believes that concrete cures better and faster there, except that it doesn't in reality. Looking at their past failures, and there are many, will give anybody an idea how this building will turn out. Will it be totally finished out and livable? We'll never know because China probably won't divulge that tidbit either way.

81   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 25, 11:43am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Michinaga says

Whether water runs through shower pipes or not is immaterial: Westerners most certainly have been bathing since ancient times. Here's a trivia question for you: over 2000 years ago, when the great Archimedes discovered how to measure the volume of irregular objects, and at the same time, the concept of density, what was he in the middle of doing?

yes some Europeans took bath. but most didn't hence the magnitude of the Black Plague.

i'm not saying that China is the best. what i'm saying is that without the technologies and contributions from China, India, the Middle East and the natural resources and forced labor taken from other parts of the world, the West would not have had an Industrial Revolution and they would have been just as poor as the rest of the world.

82   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 25, 11:48am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

All the obfusication cannot hide the fact that "Made in China" means junk, probably tainted with poison. Now they may improve in the future-but for now that is what it means- cheap trinkets filled with toxins.

do you realize that 95% of the electronic components inside a PC in the U.S is built by Taiwanese, a group of Chinese?

why keep repeating the same foolish statement when we both know the Chinese can build much better stuffs, but problem is that their customers can't afford to pay for them?

83   lostand confused   213/213 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 25, 11:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

do you realize that 95% of the electronic components inside a PC in the U.S is built by Taiwanese, a group of Chinese?
why keep repeating the same foolish statement when we both know the Chinese can build much better stuffs, but problem is that their customers can't afford to pay for them?

Hahahahaha!! Seriously- Taiwan and China-are you a propoganda agent for the People's Republic of China?

My comments are not ethnic. A Chinese ethnic person can be Brazilian, US citizen, Canadian or Peruvian. But the Chinese model is making cheap junk for the lowest price possibile. You get what you pay for-wether that be cheap drywall or cheap baby powder.

84   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 25, 11:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

Hahahahaha!! Seriously- Taiwan and China-are you a propoganda agent for the People's Republic of China?

no i'm only here to make this discussion more factual and honest :)

85   Kevin     2012 Nov 25, 12:07pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

do you realize that 95% of the electronic components inside a PC in the U.S is built by Taiwanese, a group of Chinese?

That's not even remotely true. Taiwan is big on PCBs, and that's about it. Memory is made in Korea, CPUs in the US, HDDs in either Japan or the US, etc.

No single country accounts for more than maybe 10% of internal components. The thing gets a "Made in China" label because that's where final assembly takes place.

86   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 25, 1:10pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

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