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First-time Buyers Out-Bid By WallStreet & BabyBoomers

By RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2012 Nov 27, 4:10am   2,986 views   14 comments   watch (1)   quote      

Mostly by Baby Boomers.

"In October, the share of buyers purchasing their first home dropped to 34.7%, the lowest point in at least three years, according to a survey of real estate agents. This compares with 37.1% in June and the 40% range it has historically hovered around.

In October, current homeowners made up 54.2% of non-distressed sales, a jump from 50% in June. And investors made up 12.2% of sales, higher than 11.3% during the same period. 
By contrast, first-time buyers fell behind. Their share of purchases fell to 33.6% from 38.7%."

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/11/27/first-time-homebuyers-housing-market/

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1   FunTime     2012 Nov 28, 4:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

This article suggests first-time buyers are new households. I think the big problem is or will be that even older households will decide that buying a house is out-of-reach. The interest rates on mortgages already signifies that buying a house is out-of-reach for most people whether they choose to take a humungous mortgage of many times their annual income or not.

2   bubblesitter     2012 Nov 28, 5:24am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Without going into details of the article,from what I understand is,WallStreet & BabyBoomers will control the house prices and there will be no homes left for first time home buyers cuz they can't afford it. So,who the hell the WallStreet & BabyBoomers will sell their shacks to?

3   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   174/174 = 100% civil   2012 Nov 28, 5:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

bubblesitter says

Without going into details of the article,from what I understand is,WallStreet & BabyBoomers will control the house prices and there will be no homes left for first time home buyers cuz they can't afford it. So,who the hell the WallStreet & BabyBoomers will sell their shacks to?

i believe that the Baby Boomers are currently working on it. they might have bad rep but they usually get what they want. so in the end, i believe they will get their buyers.

4   bmwman91     2012 Nov 28, 5:59am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

i believe that the Baby Boomers are currently working on it. they might have bad rep but they usually get what they want. so in the end, i believe they will get their buyers.

Yup.

Last year the US government started to give out resident visas to foreigners that spent $500k or more on real estate purchases. We might see more incentives like that. There are more voting house owners out there than renters, so they will probably get what they want, regardless of whose expense it may be at.

5   carducci22     2012 Dec 1, 12:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Where did you get that information from? Do you know how politically explosive it is to give residence permit in exchange for house purchase regardless of the purchase price? Can you back up your claim?

6   CrazyMan     2012 Dec 1, 12:29am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

It's dead, Jim

http://www.schumerleevisabill.com/

It's was only a 3 year Visa, not permanent anyway. Regardless, it doesn't exist.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=residential+visa+purchase+home

7   bmwman91     2012 Dec 1, 2:53am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Thank god. I stand, happily, corrected.

8   David Losh     2012 Dec 1, 3:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=facb83453d4a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=facb83453d4a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

What Schumer was proposing is an extension of a Visa program that is already on the books.

Job creation of ten full time workers can get you a green card.

Now, any one, at any time can buy property in the United States, and that is exactly what is happening.

Why not? Where would you want to put your money from China? or India, or Europe, or anywhere?

9   Kevin     2012 Dec 1, 4:43am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

A tropical island.

10   bob2356   494/498 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 1, 7:08am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

David Losh says

What Schumer was proposing is an extension of a Visa program that is already on the books.

Job creation of ten full time workers can get you a green card.

There are 10,000 E5's available per year. The number used per year has been between 600 and 4000 the last 10 years. Not a big deal.

David Losh says

Now, any one, at any time can buy property in the United States, and that is exactly what is happening.

Why not? Where would you want to put your money from China? or India, or Europe, or anywhere?

Foreign (private and institutional) purchases of real estate (residential and commercial) has run about 10% a year with very little variation for 15 years.

Where are rich chinese buying real estate? http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/06/20/where-rich-chinese-are-buying-real-estate/ Forbes says Canada, the UK and Australia are topping list. Canadians actually buy more property in the US than Chinese. Chinese bought 9.3 billion last year out of 928 billion.

11   David Losh     2012 Dec 1, 7:47am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Chinese are Canadians.
http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2011/05/11/may-8-2011-citizenship-for-investor-immigrants-jason-kenney-guarantees-fire-sale-price/

The article you referenced is a year old, but it makes no difference, there is only a reason to declare the sale of a United States property through the Foriegn Investment in Real Property Act: http://www.irs.gov/irm/part4/irm_04-061-012.html

Any one is allowed to buy property here for cash, as long as they pay taxes, and I don't see how that would be a stirring news item.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/25/business/la-fi-china-us-investing-20120825

12   Vicente     2012 Dec 1, 8:31am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

i believe that the Baby Boomers are currently working on it. they might have bad rep but they usually get what they want. so in the end, i believe they will get their buyers.

Eventually, Boomers'll be dead or headed to managed care. At which point their children will sell the shacks for whatever they can get for 'em, because they'll be desperate to get at that money. You'll see another cycle before long.

13   bob2356   494/498 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 1, 12:12pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

David Losh says

Chinese are Canadians.
http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2011/05/11/may-8-2011-citizenship-for-investor-immigrants-jason-kenney-guarantees-fire-sale-price/

Wow, a whole 3223 last year. I think you can safely say that even if they all decided to buy property in the US it would have almost zero impact on the market.

All the people waiting for "foreign investors" to save the market will be waiting a very, very long time.

14   David Losh     2012 Dec 1, 12:55pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

bob2356 says

"foreign investors"

No one is saying foriegn investors will save the day. It's just a fact of life that mechanisms are in place to encourage foriegn investment, and more will come.

Most people with that kind of cash want to stay hidden. There would be very few foreigners who would come in plunk down $500K and ask for a Green Card. That kind of defeats the purpose.

Most of these people are squireling away a very long term nest egg.

Americans think in terms of years, some foreigners think in terms of generations.

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