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Boehner needs to stop bitching and whining and crying over Obama and pass a bill

By iwog (221/221 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 19, 5:57am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (2)   13,783 views   129 comments   watch (0)   share   quote  

The problem is he can't. His own party will have enough defectors to defeat Plan B or any other plan that increases taxes by one cent, and even if he does pass something he still must reconcile it with the Senate.

Yet the drones drone on...."OBAMA THIS!!! OBAMA THAT!!! OBAMA IS CRAZY!!!"

All of this is to cover up the fact that the Republican party is a joke and has no interest in actually governing the country or even passing a tax bill. If you want proof, simply look at Plan B. Oh wait......we can't look at Plan B. It's still a secret.

The House may vote on the secret tax offer on Thursday assuming the teabaggers can be muzzled effectively. If not, they wont.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/12/18/house-gop-will-get-plan-b-details/

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90   GraooGra   2012 Dec 21, 9:27am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

dublin hillz says

My observation is that the conservative talk show radio must be heavily funded by gold sellers who want to pump up price of gold by spreading fears of financial collapse and by weapons dealers who wish to create fear of anarchy and government infringement so that they can cash in on gun sales.

Gold sellers advertise on MSNBC also.

91   Bap33   2012 Dec 21, 9:42am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

David Losh says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.

that would be a great link to share, thanks!

92   lostand confused (27/27 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 9:49am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bap33 says

David Losh says



Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.


that would be a great link to share, thanks!

Here you go...
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2012/February/Obama-Presents-2012-Budget-to-Congress-/

93   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 10:46am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

iwog says

He's done a fine job. What do you think he could have done better?

Balanced a budget by cutting spending and actually giving a shit about unemployment.

94   errc (30/30 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 10:49am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Your boehner won't stop itching? I think they make a cream for that. And this is exactly why I don't vacation in ireland anymore

95   Bellingham Bill (20/20 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 10:53am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

no no, Obama's great sin is delivering his budgets late:

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/18/obama-misses-budget-deadline-again/

96   Bellingham Bill (20/20 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 10:55am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

Balanced a budget by cutting spending and actually giving a shit about unemployment.

you realize these are mutually exclusive actions, right?

no, you're a conservative, that degree of independent thought is above you obviously

97   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 11:47am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bellingham Bill says

you realize these are mutually exclusive actions, right?

No they aren't. If elected dictator, I could easily do it in a day. Probably more like an hour.

98   Bellingham Bill (20/20 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 12:21pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

The problem is that we disagree about how government spending is supporting employment in our private economy, and of course all the direct government jobs.

There's probably billions disappearing into swiss bank accounts somewhere, but even if you were dictator you would not necessarily smoke that theft out.

Our "paycheck" economy is fundamentally broken.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GINIALLRH

is one symptom

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=dYO

is another -- it shows how corporate profits have skyrocketed from $800B in 2000 to $1.8T today.

Money is gushing out of the paycheck economy and not coming back, not without government borrowing money (or, better yet, TAXING it) and spending it back.

Cutting government spending to any significant degree would just utterly slaughter this country.

This is obvious, really.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-12/u-s-poverty-rate-stays-at-almost-two-decade-high-income-falls.html

The 1% has no need for the 99% in this country, other than as a minimal service sector servicing their particular needs and wants at subsistence wage levels.

I don't think government spending is the best answer for all of this, but it's all the system can arrange itself to produce now.

Oh, and vague content-free assertion above noted.

You're just repeating a bullshit conservative talking point unbacked by any reality.

99   david1   2012 Dec 21, 12:24pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

No they aren't. If elected dictator, I could easily do it in a day. Probably more like an hour.

Caveat: When I read "Giving a shit about unemployment" I think "do something" about unemployment. Is this what you mean?

With that said, how are you going to balance the budget by cutting spending (taking AT LEAST $1T out of a $16T economy) and reduce unemployment exactly?

Hold on, I gotta get my notepad for this.

100   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 1:09pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

david1 says

Caveat: When I read "Giving a shit about unemployment" I think "do something" about unemployment. Is this what you mean?

Fixing the economy is actually very easy. I'd start out by denying any type of welfare (including things like unemployment insurance, food stamps, section 8 housing, Obamaphones) for anyone who owns or has owned as far back as motor vehicle records go any vehicle whose final assembly point in not in USA or Canada, or by GM, Ford or Chrysler in Mexico. There needs to be personal consequences to buying foreign. If for some reason people still buy imported cars, I'd tell all the Korean and Japanese automakers that they are now required to have ofsetting exports from the US to make up for any imports to the US (which would include auto parts). If they don't like that, they should have thought of that when they bombed Pearl Harbor and made Boeing make an airplane wing in Japan in order to sell their airplane there. Then I'd spend whatever it takes to use our domestic energy sources (especially natural gas) to replace imported oil. Things like bus systems (municipal and school), delivery services (UPS, USPS, Fed Ex), and probably some taxi fleets can all be converted to use domestic natural gas instead of imported oil. The use of home heating oil would be phased out as well. Except for Alaska, I think the rest of the US can use heat pumps or natural gas. I'd also deport all 12 million illegal aliens and seal the border. A few helicopter gunships, some land mines, and some military personnel would be all that's really needed. Anyone attempting to enter the country illegally would be shot and left for dead. I'd greatly reduce or eliminate all welfare programs for able bodied people. Oh yeah, and "Stress" is not a disability. People currently on welfare can pickfruit or clean offices just as good, once you take away their welfare. I'd raise the age at which one can collect social security in any form by 5 years, effective immediately. I'd do away with all union labor requirements on government jobs, as well as a complete elimination of and affirmative action programs or minority procurement programs, because not only are they racist, but it's expensive. If you think prisons will be overcrowded, think again, since bullets are cheaper than prison cells. I'd also repeal so many regulations that I could not possibly list them here, but there area lot of stupid regulations like stuff about lead paint, asbestos, gas cans, etc. I would also ban immigration and send all the H1B workers home. When unemployment is this high, we don't need guest workers or more people.

101   errc (30/30 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 1:22pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Zzyzzx, stop posting while drinking

First off, unemployment insurance is not welfare. Working folk are forced to pay into the insurance, and only those that have paid for the insurance may utilize it, and its always short term. Well, it was until prez bush extended it at the turn of the century

Secondly, I had to stop reading that crap about consequences for buying foreign cars, what the hell is that?

102   bob2356 (59/60 = 98% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 1:33pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

errc says

Zzyzzx, stop posting while drinking

Sounds more like a coke or speed binge to me. Boozers don't usually go with paranoia intermixed with grandiose visions of power although with neocons it's hard to tell day to day thinking from substance abuse.

103   Ironman (160/172 = 93% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 1:38pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

lostand confused says

Bap33 says

David Losh says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.

that would be a great link to share, thanks!

Here you go...

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2012/February/Obama-Presents-2012-Budget-to-Congress-/

And Obama's buddies in the Senate and house were all in approval for his budget... oh wait..

Senate rejects Obama 2013 budget 99 to 0
http://www.examiner.com/article/senate-rejects-obama-budget-99-to-0-white-house-calls-vote-gimmick

...."As reported by The Washington Times, initially the U.S. Senate overwhelmingly rejected the proposed Obama Budget for 2013 by a vote of 99-0.

Prior to that, the House of Representatives shot down the proposal two months ago by a vote of 414-0."

104   elliemae   2012 Dec 21, 1:51pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

I'd start out by denying any type of welfare (including things like unemployment insurance, food stamps, section 8 housing, Obamaphones) for anyone who owns or has owned as far back as motor vehicle records go any vehicle whose final assembly point in not in USA or Canada, or by GM, Ford or Chrysler in Mexico.

It's better to have the "final" assembly in the US, even though the parts are foreign-made?

I would have read the rest of your post, but it appeared to be one long-ass paragraph of rant.

105   Bellingham Bill (20/20 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 2:00pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

actually that was an honest response and it's not all that wrong IMO.

I agree with the import/export imbalance and the need to shift at least fleet vehicles to natgas.

Illegal aliens are driving down wages and "need to go" as it were. But once they're deported it's critical that they stay deported . . .

There's no reason to raise SSA to 67 of course. SSA was designed for 62 and has $2.6T in its trust fund to pay out. Young workers are more productive than old generally, so it's good to just pension the old off and let them spend money into the consumer economy and get some velocity back.

The typical rant for union-busting, lead paint and asbestos was appreciated, but I do agree that gas cans have gotten over-regulated, LOL.

106   lostand confused (27/27 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 21, 9:27pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Call it Crazy says

And Obama's buddies in the Senate and house were all in approval for his budget... oh wait..

That is not the point. The statement was Obama did not present a budget. He did. The rest is politics as usual. Now you can argue it was a lame budget-but that is different than claiming he never did present a budget-he did.

107   Bap33   2012 Dec 22, 2:39am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

I askeda link or proof for Lord Barry's 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 budgets. Nothing more.

lostand confused says

Bap33 says




David Losh says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.

that would be a great link to share, thanks!



Here you go...
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2012/February/Obama-Presents-2012-Budget-to-Congress-/

Call it Crazy says

And Obama's buddies in the Senate and house were all in approval for his budget... oh wait..
Senate rejects Obama 2013 budget 99 to 0
http://www.examiner.com/article/senate-rejects-obama-budget-99-to-0-white-house-calls-vote-gimmick
...."As reported by The Washington Times, initially the U.S. Senate overwhelmingly rejected the proposed Obama Budget for 2013 by a vote of 99-0.
Prior to that, the House of Representatives shot down the proposal two months ago by a vote of 414-0."

hmmmm ... I may be a bit biased, but I sure have not seen a budget from Lord Barry for each of his terms that he was responsible for ... weird ... when has that ever happened before? I sure hope Holder don't come looking for me.

Don't forget, Haelth Care was slammed through in crushing fashion ... free from such silly fetters as a budget ... or morals.

108   David Losh   2012 Dec 22, 3:01am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bap33 says

I may be a bit biased, but I sure have not seen a budget from Lord Barry for each of his terms that he was responsible for ... weird

and I responded with: The biggest problem with Obama budgets is the spending. Obama has borrowed, and spent a lot of money keeping the economy afloat.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/house-and-senate-unanimously-reject-obama-budgets-or-do-they/

109   121212   2012 Dec 22, 3:33am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

'd start out by denying any type of welfare (including things like unemployment insurance, food stamps, section 8 housing, Obamaphone

Like you Mitt Romney had no chance of becoming President

You cannot stop yourself arguing against the 47%.

I thought this country is about the 100% not the 1%?

Ultra-Orthodox Conservatism is a model for the middle east, how do you think they are doing?

110   lostand confused (27/27 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 22, 4:33am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bap33 says

anyone seen a budget from Lord Barry's Gang at any time since they rolled up in that DC joint and started slangin' dat shizzle?

Bap33 says

I askeda link or proof for Lord Barry's 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 budgets. Nothing more

Bap33 says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.
that would be a great link to share, thanks!

Either you are being dense or you just enjoy trolling. It would take you all of 5 minutes to get this info-here you go

Fiscal 2010 budget
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?id=6680428

Fiscal 2011 budget
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/nation/article_84abe073-e61e-568c-83ae-feef8857351d.html

Look up the rest yourself-it will take 2 minutes.

111   Bap33   2012 Dec 22, 2:39pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

lol, my bad, I should have been more specific ... a budget that was balanced, with all of the welfare programs paid for, that was voted on and passed.

112   lostand confused (27/27 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 22, 6:18pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bap33 says

lol, my bad, I should have been more specific ... a budget that was balanced, with all of the welfare programs paid for, that was voted on and passed.

Bap33 says

anyone seen a budget from Lord Barry's Gang at any time since they rolled up in that DC joint and started slangin' dat shizzle?

Bap33 says

I askeda link or proof for Lord Barry's 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 budgets. Nothing more

Bap33 says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.
that would be a great link to share, thanks!

Nice try -next you will claim his budget should explain the reason for existance of man too. But the President does not pass a budget-that is the job of congress. His job is to submit one and in your multiple quotes, some insulting, you suggest he has not -he has -for every year he has been in power. Which makes me think you are just trolling, for you should know that or watch Fox News too much and believed that nonsense and now can't admit you are wrong.

113   The Professor   2012 Dec 22, 11:13pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bap33 says

Don't forget, Haelth Care was slammed through in crushing fashion ... free from such silly fetters as a budget ... or morals.

That would be great if it were true, but health care reform was not passed. It was insurance reform, and actually just another tax on those who can least afford it.

114   David Losh   2012 Dec 23, 5:09am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bap33 says

a budget that was balanced, with all of the welfare programs paid for,

Oh you mean like all the corporate welfare?

Show me a balanced budget from any one.

115   Bap33   2012 Dec 23, 5:14am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

lostand confused says

now can't admit you are wrong.

I was wrong? Your point is to give Lord Barry a free-pass because he put up for vote some pie-in-the-sky spending dream that HIS OWN SIDE would not pass?? Really? Ok, I was wrong.

116   Bap33   2012 Dec 23, 5:19am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

David Losh says

Oh you mean like all the corporate welfare?
Show me a balanced budget from any one.

yes, I do include all forms of welfare.

there will never be a balanced budget due to the welfare spending required by the liberal leftists, and currupt GOP fatcats. They are buying votes and will not allow that to end. Joe S. Pack will keep getting his ass kicked.

117   David Losh   2012 Dec 23, 6:04am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Bap33 says

there will never be a balanced budget due to the welfare spending required by the liberal leftists, and currupt GOP fatcats.

Now you are talking about the economy.

Welfare for the poor is direct deposit into the velocity of the money supply. People on welfare get a check, and spend it.

In theory corporate welfare is a long term infusion of dollars into the economy, by propping up such things as oil, food, banking, and Real Estate.

What we have right now is speculation in commodities due to historically low interest rates.

All of these things keep Joe Six Pack in beer, and cigarettes, literally.

118   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 24, 2:01am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

errc says

First off, unemployment insurance is not welfare.

It is when you extend it to 2 years.

119   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 24, 2:04am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

errc says

Secondly, I had to stop reading that crap about consequences for buying foreign cars, what the hell is that?

IMO, people who buy foreign cars should b=not be eligible for any type of welfare program. There needs to be some personal responsibility in the fact that we send trillions overseas every year for foreign made goods that should be made in USA, and that's a lot of jobs. There needs to be some personal responsibility for buying foreign made goods.

120   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 24, 2:04am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

David Losh says

Oh you mean like all the corporate welfare?

I'm against most or maybe all forms of corporate welfare as well.

121   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 24, 2:05am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

121212 says

I thought this country is about the 100% not the 1%?

I thought that this country was about self reliance and freedom. At least it used to be,

122   zzyzzx (94/94 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 24, 2:07am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

elliemae says

It's better to have the "final" assembly in the US, even though the parts are foreign-made?

Usually yes, since the parts often follow. But that wouldbe handled in future legislation. Once all the auto final assemly points are in the US, then you legislate that the engine, transmissions, tires, etc. are also made in USA.

123   David Losh   2012 Dec 24, 7:30am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

zzyzzx says

I thought that this country was about self reliance and freedom.

This country was built on a land grap. This was the most pristine area of natural resources that was literally given away with government approval. Consider oil a big part of that.

124   Nobody   2012 Dec 27, 4:56am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

More bitching Boner does and stop passing the bill, Republicans can shift the blame to Obama.

125   beershrine   2012 Dec 27, 5:16am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Everyone's reaction to this is hilarious. Politics is all about diseption and we've been had. If I were Boehner and boys I'd head out on vacation right when Obama's plane touches down in washington.

126   Tenpoundbass (142/142 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 27, 5:46am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

beershrine says

Everyone's reaction to this is hilarious.

Oh I've seen this movie. Spoiler alert.
The middle class gets higher taxes. Didn't you guys watch this movie in 1993 when Clinton was President and they going to shut down the government? It came all the way down to the wire, and it turned out to be the biggest tax hike in history. One that was huge, the Liberals were quick to wash their hands of it, when Bush broke a piece of it off, and called it the Bush tax breaks. Come on it was on all of the cable news stations, it aired in 24/7 rotation, playing out like a vaudeville matinee.

127   msilenus   2012 Dec 27, 6:18am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

"Boehner and boys" never came back from vacation. Members of the House were told they could expect 48 hours' notice before any votes would be called. No notice has been given, and most of the House is home for the holidays.

128   iwog (221/221 = 100% civil)   2012 Dec 27, 6:59am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

CaptainShuddup says

Oh I've seen this movie. Spoiler alert.
The middle class gets higher taxes. Didn't you guys watch this movie in 1993 when Clinton was President and they going to shut down the government? It came all the way down to the wire, and it turned out to be the biggest tax hike in history. One that was huge, the Liberals were quick to wash their hands of it, when Bush broke a piece of it off, and called it the Bush tax breaks. Come on it was on all of the cable news stations, it aired in 24/7 rotation, playing out like a vaudeville matinee.

Like all typical Republicans, you have unlimited criticism for Democrats and unlimited benefit of the doubt for the clown show that represents you.

Your brain damaged cult is going to prevent paying for their own legislation, and you want to talk about Clinton?

129   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2012 Dec 27, 7:07am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

A real Republican speaker of the house would just tell Patrice Lamumba of Pennsylvania Avenue to surrender to ICE and drive the country straight over the cliff to ZZZ bond ratings and cannibal anarchy.

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