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Boehner needs to stop bitching and whining and crying over Obama and pass a bill

By iwog   2012 Dec 19, 5:57am   16,376 views   127 comments   watch (0)   quote      

The problem is he can't. His own party will have enough defectors to defeat Plan B or any other plan that increases taxes by one cent, and even if he does pass something he still must reconcile it with the Senate.

Yet the drones drone on...."OBAMA THIS!!! OBAMA THAT!!! OBAMA IS CRAZY!!!"

All of this is to cover up the fact that the Republican party is a joke and has no interest in actually governing the country or even passing a tax bill. If you want proof, simply look at Plan B. Oh wait......we can't look at Plan B. It's still a secret.

The House may vote on the secret tax offer on Thursday assuming the teabaggers can be muzzled effectively. If not, they wont.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/12/18/house-gop-will-get-plan-b-details/

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88   GraooGra     2012 Dec 21, 8:44am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Ahhhh...so you're starting to backtrack already. Why would you lie and say Obama is a Marxist when YOU don't even believe it?

I don't backtrack anything. Because we don't have gulags and 5-year plan and fixed pricing of food it doesn't mean they don't tap to this same ideas of Marxism. They still have a strong opposition and American culture against them. Given a chance, how far they would go?

89   GraooGra     2012 Dec 21, 9:02am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

dublin hillz says

GraooGra says

This is fascinating how Left tries to dismiss it and calls it 'conspiracy'.

This is the guy who was raised and surrounds himself with this stuff he thinks this way, he acts upon his world view and he is your President.

If he feels homey to you check your ideology if it represents what America stands for. I'm telling you right now it is completely foreign to most Americans and they create Tea Party and flock to Conservatism. They just don't feel comfortable with it.

Please provide credible sources that demonstrate that Barack was raised by and heavily influenced by marxists and that moreover his actions and policies have been influenced by marxists. Right wing radio shows are biased and cannot be construed as credible evidence.

I don't think they were dumb enough to carry a Communist Party membership card in the 50-ties and 60-ties. If you are searching that type of 'credible sources' then obviously no one has them. There are a few biographies of Obama where you can learn about his parents and grandparents studies, whereabouts, circle of friends, acts and decisions where you can deduct their leanings. If you dismiss that information just because it was originally said on a talk show radio, well I cannot help you to open your eyes because you don't want them to be opened.

90   GraooGra     2012 Dec 21, 9:27am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

dublin hillz says

My observation is that the conservative talk show radio must be heavily funded by gold sellers who want to pump up price of gold by spreading fears of financial collapse and by weapons dealers who wish to create fear of anarchy and government infringement so that they can cash in on gun sales.

Gold sellers advertise on MSNBC also.

91   Bap33     2012 Dec 21, 9:42am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

David Losh says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.

that would be a great link to share, thanks!

92   lostand confused   224/224 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 9:49am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Bap33 says

David Losh says



Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.


that would be a great link to share, thanks!

Here you go...
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2012/February/Obama-Presents-2012-Budget-to-Congress-/

93   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 10:46am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

iwog says

He's done a fine job. What do you think he could have done better?

Balanced a budget by cutting spending and actually giving a shit about unemployment.

94   errc   468/475 = 98% civil   2012 Dec 21, 10:49am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Your boehner won't stop itching? I think they make a cream for that. And this is exactly why I don't vacation in ireland anymore

95   Bellingham Bill   74/74 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 10:53am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

no no, Obama's great sin is delivering his budgets late:

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/18/obama-misses-budget-deadline-again/

96   Bellingham Bill   74/74 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 10:55am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

Balanced a budget by cutting spending and actually giving a shit about unemployment.

you realize these are mutually exclusive actions, right?

no, you're a conservative, that degree of independent thought is above you obviously

97   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 11:47am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Bellingham Bill says

you realize these are mutually exclusive actions, right?

No they aren't. If elected dictator, I could easily do it in a day. Probably more like an hour.

98   Bellingham Bill   74/74 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 12:21pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

The problem is that we disagree about how government spending is supporting employment in our private economy, and of course all the direct government jobs.

There's probably billions disappearing into swiss bank accounts somewhere, but even if you were dictator you would not necessarily smoke that theft out.

Our "paycheck" economy is fundamentally broken.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GINIALLRH

is one symptom

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=dYO

is another -- it shows how corporate profits have skyrocketed from $800B in 2000 to $1.8T today.

Money is gushing out of the paycheck economy and not coming back, not without government borrowing money (or, better yet, TAXING it) and spending it back.

Cutting government spending to any significant degree would just utterly slaughter this country.

This is obvious, really.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-12/u-s-poverty-rate-stays-at-almost-two-decade-high-income-falls.html

The 1% has no need for the 99% in this country, other than as a minimal service sector servicing their particular needs and wants at subsistence wage levels.

I don't think government spending is the best answer for all of this, but it's all the system can arrange itself to produce now.

Oh, and vague content-free assertion above noted.

You're just repeating a bullshit conservative talking point unbacked by any reality.

99   david1     2012 Dec 21, 12:24pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

No they aren't. If elected dictator, I could easily do it in a day. Probably more like an hour.

Caveat: When I read "Giving a shit about unemployment" I think "do something" about unemployment. Is this what you mean?

With that said, how are you going to balance the budget by cutting spending (taking AT LEAST $1T out of a $16T economy) and reduce unemployment exactly?

Hold on, I gotta get my notepad for this.

100   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 1:09pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

david1 says

Caveat: When I read "Giving a shit about unemployment" I think "do something" about unemployment. Is this what you mean?

Fixing the economy is actually very easy. I'd start out by denying any type of welfare (including things like unemployment insurance, food stamps, section 8 housing, Obamaphones) for anyone who owns or has owned as far back as motor vehicle records go any vehicle whose final assembly point in not in USA or Canada, or by GM, Ford or Chrysler in Mexico. There needs to be personal consequences to buying foreign. If for some reason people still buy imported cars, I'd tell all the Korean and Japanese automakers that they are now required to have ofsetting exports from the US to make up for any imports to the US (which would include auto parts). If they don't like that, they should have thought of that when they bombed Pearl Harbor and made Boeing make an airplane wing in Japan in order to sell their airplane there. Then I'd spend whatever it takes to use our domestic energy sources (especially natural gas) to replace imported oil. Things like bus systems (municipal and school), delivery services (UPS, USPS, Fed Ex), and probably some taxi fleets can all be converted to use domestic natural gas instead of imported oil. The use of home heating oil would be phased out as well. Except for Alaska, I think the rest of the US can use heat pumps or natural gas. I'd also deport all 12 million illegal aliens and seal the border. A few helicopter gunships, some land mines, and some military personnel would be all that's really needed. Anyone attempting to enter the country illegally would be shot and left for dead. I'd greatly reduce or eliminate all welfare programs for able bodied people. Oh yeah, and "Stress" is not a disability. People currently on welfare can pickfruit or clean offices just as good, once you take away their welfare. I'd raise the age at which one can collect social security in any form by 5 years, effective immediately. I'd do away with all union labor requirements on government jobs, as well as a complete elimination of and affirmative action programs or minority procurement programs, because not only are they racist, but it's expensive. If you think prisons will be overcrowded, think again, since bullets are cheaper than prison cells. I'd also repeal so many regulations that I could not possibly list them here, but there area lot of stupid regulations like stuff about lead paint, asbestos, gas cans, etc. I would also ban immigration and send all the H1B workers home. When unemployment is this high, we don't need guest workers or more people.

101   errc   468/475 = 98% civil   2012 Dec 21, 1:22pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Zzyzzx, stop posting while drinking

First off, unemployment insurance is not welfare. Working folk are forced to pay into the insurance, and only those that have paid for the insurance may utilize it, and its always short term. Well, it was until prez bush extended it at the turn of the century

Secondly, I had to stop reading that crap about consequences for buying foreign cars, what the hell is that?

102   bob2356   494/498 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 21, 1:33pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

errc says

Zzyzzx, stop posting while drinking

Sounds more like a coke or speed binge to me. Boozers don't usually go with paranoia intermixed with grandiose visions of power although with neocons it's hard to tell day to day thinking from substance abuse.

103   elliemae     2012 Dec 21, 1:51pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

I'd start out by denying any type of welfare (including things like unemployment insurance, food stamps, section 8 housing, Obamaphones) for anyone who owns or has owned as far back as motor vehicle records go any vehicle whose final assembly point in not in USA or Canada, or by GM, Ford or Chrysler in Mexico.

It's better to have the "final" assembly in the US, even though the parts are foreign-made?

I would have read the rest of your post, but it appeared to be one long-ass paragraph of rant.

104   Bellingham Bill   74/74 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 2:00pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

actually that was an honest response and it's not all that wrong IMO.

I agree with the import/export imbalance and the need to shift at least fleet vehicles to natgas.

Illegal aliens are driving down wages and "need to go" as it were. But once they're deported it's critical that they stay deported . . .

There's no reason to raise SSA to 67 of course. SSA was designed for 62 and has $2.6T in its trust fund to pay out. Young workers are more productive than old generally, so it's good to just pension the old off and let them spend money into the consumer economy and get some velocity back.

The typical rant for union-busting, lead paint and asbestos was appreciated, but I do agree that gas cans have gotten over-regulated, LOL.

105   lostand confused   224/224 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 21, 9:27pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Call it Crazy says

And Obama's buddies in the Senate and house were all in approval for his budget... oh wait..

That is not the point. The statement was Obama did not present a budget. He did. The rest is politics as usual. Now you can argue it was a lame budget-but that is different than claiming he never did present a budget-he did.

106   Bap33     2012 Dec 22, 2:39am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

I askeda link or proof for Lord Barry's 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 budgets. Nothing more.

lostand confused says

Bap33 says




David Losh says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.

that would be a great link to share, thanks!



Here you go...
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2012/February/Obama-Presents-2012-Budget-to-Congress-/

Call it Crazy says

And Obama's buddies in the Senate and house were all in approval for his budget... oh wait..
Senate rejects Obama 2013 budget 99 to 0
http://www.examiner.com/article/senate-rejects-obama-budget-99-to-0-white-house-calls-vote-gimmick
...."As reported by The Washington Times, initially the U.S. Senate overwhelmingly rejected the proposed Obama Budget for 2013 by a vote of 99-0.
Prior to that, the House of Representatives shot down the proposal two months ago by a vote of 414-0."

hmmmm ... I may be a bit biased, but I sure have not seen a budget from Lord Barry for each of his terms that he was responsible for ... weird ... when has that ever happened before? I sure hope Holder don't come looking for me.

Don't forget, Haelth Care was slammed through in crushing fashion ... free from such silly fetters as a budget ... or morals.

107   David Losh     2012 Dec 22, 3:01am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

Bap33 says

I may be a bit biased, but I sure have not seen a budget from Lord Barry for each of his terms that he was responsible for ... weird

and I responded with: The biggest problem with Obama budgets is the spending. Obama has borrowed, and spent a lot of money keeping the economy afloat.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/house-and-senate-unanimously-reject-obama-budgets-or-do-they/

108   121212     2012 Dec 22, 3:33am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

zzyzzx says

'd start out by denying any type of welfare (including things like unemployment insurance, food stamps, section 8 housing, Obamaphone

Like you Mitt Romney had no chance of becoming President

You cannot stop yourself arguing against the 47%.

I thought this country is about the 100% not the 1%?

Ultra-Orthodox Conservatism is a model for the middle east, how do you think they are doing?

109   lostand confused   224/224 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 22, 4:33am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Bap33 says

anyone seen a budget from Lord Barry's Gang at any time since they rolled up in that DC joint and started slangin' dat shizzle?

Bap33 says

I askeda link or proof for Lord Barry's 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 budgets. Nothing more

Bap33 says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.
that would be a great link to share, thanks!

Either you are being dense or you just enjoy trolling. It would take you all of 5 minutes to get this info-here you go

Fiscal 2010 budget
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?id=6680428

Fiscal 2011 budget
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/nation/article_84abe073-e61e-568c-83ae-feef8857351d.html

Look up the rest yourself-it will take 2 minutes.

110   Bap33     2012 Dec 22, 2:39pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

lol, my bad, I should have been more specific ... a budget that was balanced, with all of the welfare programs paid for, that was voted on and passed.

111   lostand confused   224/224 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 22, 6:18pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Bap33 says

lol, my bad, I should have been more specific ... a budget that was balanced, with all of the welfare programs paid for, that was voted on and passed.

Bap33 says

anyone seen a budget from Lord Barry's Gang at any time since they rolled up in that DC joint and started slangin' dat shizzle?

Bap33 says

I askeda link or proof for Lord Barry's 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 budgets. Nothing more

Bap33 says

Obama has had budget proposals, which Republicans claim he has never presented.
that would be a great link to share, thanks!

Nice try -next you will claim his budget should explain the reason for existance of man too. But the President does not pass a budget-that is the job of congress. His job is to submit one and in your multiple quotes, some insulting, you suggest he has not -he has -for every year he has been in power. Which makes me think you are just trolling, for you should know that or watch Fox News too much and believed that nonsense and now can't admit you are wrong.

112   David Losh     2012 Dec 23, 5:09am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Bap33 says

a budget that was balanced, with all of the welfare programs paid for,

Oh you mean like all the corporate welfare?

Show me a balanced budget from any one.

113   Bap33     2012 Dec 23, 5:14am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

lostand confused says

now can't admit you are wrong.

I was wrong? Your point is to give Lord Barry a free-pass because he put up for vote some pie-in-the-sky spending dream that HIS OWN SIDE would not pass?? Really? Ok, I was wrong.

114   Bap33     2012 Dec 23, 5:19am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

David Losh says

Oh you mean like all the corporate welfare?
Show me a balanced budget from any one.

yes, I do include all forms of welfare.

there will never be a balanced budget due to the welfare spending required by the liberal leftists, and currupt GOP fatcats. They are buying votes and will not allow that to end. Joe S. Pack will keep getting his ass kicked.

115   David Losh     2012 Dec 23, 6:04am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Bap33 says

there will never be a balanced budget due to the welfare spending required by the liberal leftists, and currupt GOP fatcats.

Now you are talking about the economy.

Welfare for the poor is direct deposit into the velocity of the money supply. People on welfare get a check, and spend it.

In theory corporate welfare is a long term infusion of dollars into the economy, by propping up such things as oil, food, banking, and Real Estate.

What we have right now is speculation in commodities due to historically low interest rates.

All of these things keep Joe Six Pack in beer, and cigarettes, literally.

116   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 24, 2:01am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

errc says

First off, unemployment insurance is not welfare.

It is when you extend it to 2 years.

117   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 24, 2:04am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

errc says

Secondly, I had to stop reading that crap about consequences for buying foreign cars, what the hell is that?

IMO, people who buy foreign cars should b=not be eligible for any type of welfare program. There needs to be some personal responsibility in the fact that we send trillions overseas every year for foreign made goods that should be made in USA, and that's a lot of jobs. There needs to be some personal responsibility for buying foreign made goods.

118   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 24, 2:04am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

David Losh says

Oh you mean like all the corporate welfare?

I'm against most or maybe all forms of corporate welfare as well.

119   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 24, 2:05am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

121212 says

I thought this country is about the 100% not the 1%?

I thought that this country was about self reliance and freedom. At least it used to be,

120   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 24, 2:07am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

elliemae says

It's better to have the "final" assembly in the US, even though the parts are foreign-made?

Usually yes, since the parts often follow. But that wouldbe handled in future legislation. Once all the auto final assemly points are in the US, then you legislate that the engine, transmissions, tires, etc. are also made in USA.

121   David Losh     2012 Dec 24, 7:30am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx says

I thought that this country was about self reliance and freedom.

This country was built on a land grap. This was the most pristine area of natural resources that was literally given away with government approval. Consider oil a big part of that.

122   Nobody     2012 Dec 27, 4:56am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

More bitching Boner does and stop passing the bill, Republicans can shift the blame to Obama.

123   beershrine     2012 Dec 27, 5:16am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Everyone's reaction to this is hilarious. Politics is all about diseption and we've been had. If I were Boehner and boys I'd head out on vacation right when Obama's plane touches down in washington.

124   Tenpoundbass   994/996 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 27, 5:46am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

beershrine says

Everyone's reaction to this is hilarious.

Oh I've seen this movie. Spoiler alert.
The middle class gets higher taxes. Didn't you guys watch this movie in 1993 when Clinton was President and they going to shut down the government? It came all the way down to the wire, and it turned out to be the biggest tax hike in history. One that was huge, the Liberals were quick to wash their hands of it, when Bush broke a piece of it off, and called it the Bush tax breaks. Come on it was on all of the cable news stations, it aired in 24/7 rotation, playing out like a vaudeville matinee.

125   msilenus     2012 Dec 27, 6:18am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

"Boehner and boys" never came back from vacation. Members of the House were told they could expect 48 hours' notice before any votes would be called. No notice has been given, and most of the House is home for the holidays.

126   iwog   1538/1539 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 27, 6:59am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

CaptainShuddup says

Oh I've seen this movie. Spoiler alert.
The middle class gets higher taxes. Didn't you guys watch this movie in 1993 when Clinton was President and they going to shut down the government? It came all the way down to the wire, and it turned out to be the biggest tax hike in history. One that was huge, the Liberals were quick to wash their hands of it, when Bush broke a piece of it off, and called it the Bush tax breaks. Come on it was on all of the cable news stations, it aired in 24/7 rotation, playing out like a vaudeville matinee.

Like all typical Republicans, you have unlimited criticism for Democrats and unlimited benefit of the doubt for the clown show that represents you.

Your brain damaged cult is going to prevent paying for their own legislation, and you want to talk about Clinton?

127   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch     2012 Dec 27, 7:07am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

A real Republican speaker of the house would just tell Patrice Lamumba of Pennsylvania Avenue to surrender to ICE and drive the country straight over the cliff to ZZZ bond ratings and cannibal anarchy.

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