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The NRA are Idiots

By David Losh   2012 Dec 21, 3:29am   3 links   33,935 views   132 comments   watch (2)   quote      

I have long support the 2nd Amendment, but never contributed to the NRA. They have a very narrow agenda that is contrary to good gun ownership.

Today they proposed putting armed police in all schools saying the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is by having a good guy with a gun. Then the statement went on to say we need a national data base of the mentally ill.

I think they should have come out strongly with a gun education program, a gun training program, with a call for exploration of the term, and requirements for a militia.

We can have a more secure gun policy in this country, but it has to start with the people involved. Today's statement was just absolute nonsense.

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93   rooemoore     2012 Dec 24, 4:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

Liberals are stupid, the once who concentrate on a weapon and not the criminal or mentally ill maniac. And their solution to the problem (ban firearms) will be just as stupid and ineffective as they are.

Yes, stupid like all the other developed countries that have effective gun laws that result in the dramatically lower number of gun deaths. Real morons, those folks.

94   rooemoore     2012 Dec 24, 4:04am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Gee, that sounds like the perfect, upstanding, mentally sane, responsible firearm owner to me...

Who knows about their mental state. We do know they had a gun.

95   rooemoore     2012 Dec 24, 4:10am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

96   marcus   654/658 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 24, 4:11am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Apparently FW, LaPierre and other on the dimbulb right hope that some people will believe that its one or the other.

Either tighten gun laws, or take a good look at what can be done on the mental health aspect of this. You can only do one or the other.

Obviously the gun laws are easy compared to dealing with privacy issues, and the fact that many low income people with emotional problems are not even receiving treatment.

But yeah, let's take the easy thing off the table, and focus on the expensive, complicated nearly impossible task of strengthening big brother's ability to watch everyone who ever seeks professional help from psychologists and psychiatrists.

97   rooemoore     2012 Dec 24, 5:03am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Some of the details about this shooter already have come out. I'll let you do your own research to see what type of upstanding law abiding citizen he was!! It's all about following the laws you know.

Imagine the mayhem he would have caused with a knife...

98   marcus   654/658 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 24, 5:32am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

You think there is only one single solution... Why can't both be done?

No, I was being facetious.

99   marcus   654/658 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 24, 5:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Killings will decrease dramatically, right??

Did you even comprehend the quoted text of mine that you quoted right before saying this ?

What part of "distant future" don't you understand.

And I am not suggesting that there is a panacea, so why respond as if I did.

100   marcus   654/658 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 24, 5:35am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

All the anti-gun folks will be happy with this, right??

Actually a lot of pro gun people will be happy with it too. Again, not a panacea.

101   David Losh     2012 Dec 24, 7:11am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

their solution to the problem (ban firearms) will be just as stupid and ineffective as they are.

There was an article today about Israel's gun policies. Israel has gun registration that is good for three years, and you need a medical check up. You also lose your right to privacy so your registration can be cross checked every three months. You also need to show a need to have a gun, because the bulk of the patrols are anti-terrorist. So there is a very strong police, and military presense. Every one is required to do military duty, with training, but that doesn't qualify you to be a gun owner in private life.

The NRA was stupid for ever comparing the proposals they had to Israel. One of the comments made was that Israel didn't have school shooting since they put armed guards in schools.

Israel is on patrol for terrorist activity, and in that process many rights of the individual get sidelined.

I'm just going to say again the NRA should have emphasized the militia aspects of the 2nd Amendment that would call for some common sense dialog about promoting gun safety, and education.

102   dublin hillz   14/14 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 24, 7:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Nothing ensures mastery of subject matter like a teacher with a gun . . .

103   Aussie Nerd     2012 Dec 24, 9:12am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Next nra speech……………
Arm each fire truck………….
50 MM grenade launcher should do the trick...........
Idiots

104   Patrick   1739/1739 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 24, 10:06am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Fire trucks are supposed to put out fires, not open fire.

They do need protection though, so maybe police should go with if they're going to bad neighborhoods.

105   Vicente     2012 Dec 24, 10:12am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Great idea, return them all home to our soil... guess what, they are already being paid and already have the necessary firearms, which equals zero additional cost.

Then push for that, best of luck.

106   David Losh     2012 Dec 24, 10:46am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Aussie Nerd says

Next nra speech……………
Arm each fire truck………….

If you read the story, what gets me is that this guy was a danger. He was released for murder of his grand mother. In October his mother died, who he loved so much, leaving him alone with a sister he hated. She lived in the same house, she had her side of the house, he had the other.

This is the second part of the NRA's nutty reponse. This guy could have been on a National Watch List of the Mentally Ill, but so what? That would have done nothing to stop him.

We need people to be a community. When we see a situation spinning out of control there should be some mechanism to address it.

I've seen in in my own neighborhood where a Viet Nam vet became more, and more out of control. When I went to talk with him his wife was grateful because she didn't know what to do. We got him to the VA, where after about a year of counseling he opened up.

I'm saying that the NRA is asking the government to solve a problem the NRA should be providing solutions for.

The NRA needs to step up to being leaders of good gun ownership.

We need a solution to gun violence, both immediate, and long term.

107   David Losh     2012 Dec 24, 10:50am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Biff Baxter says

will this article be moved out of the real estate section

This is posted in the politics forum.

108   Biff Baxter     2012 Dec 24, 1:01pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Suddenly several poltical articles are showing up in the real estate forum.

Are things broken or are people spamming (again)?

Biff

109   Biff Baxter     2012 Dec 24, 1:06pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Apparently some of the site links were recently modified. The old real estate links I was using no longer work and automatically drive you to the poltical forum. The new links work.

I deleted my original comment.

Biff

110   FortWayne   374/378 = 98% civil   2012 Dec 25, 2:12am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Let's see, you think we need new laws that will ban the public from owning guns.

This guy was a previously convicted murderer and felon and spent time in prison and was released.

CURRENT laws say convicted felons aren't allow the possession of firearms. Even with these current laws in place, he willfully obtained firearms, breaking existing laws.

They don't pay attention to history. We made drugs illegal, created huge cartels out of that ban. Same will happen with guns if they ban them. These will be criminalized, and anyone who is a criminal will get them anyway, while law abiding public will be left defenseless.

CA is a great example of that. Jerry Brown released prisoners who will get guns anyway, and they are talking about banning the rest of us from owning guns, which we already can't carry in public that all drug dealers, illegals, and thugs do already.

111   David Losh     2012 Dec 25, 3:19am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

This is the most tired argument of the gun lobby.

First let me give you the example of a bubba who has guns all over the house, and takes his kids to the gun range, or gun store, so they can be educated. Some of these are good people, but you know that a lot of these are just back water bubbas who will some day be another problem.

The second example is the law abiding urbanite who has guns for his or her own protection. Chances are the gun will be used against them because they can't pull the trigger.

Criminals having guns that they know how to use, and aren't afraid to use them are the threat. In most cases you wouldn't even be able to put a bubba or an urbanite up against them.

The guy who killed the fire fighters said in his letter that he enjoyed killing.

Like what is always said, the gun doesn't do the killing, the person pulling the trigger does. So I would like a little more in depth discussion about guns, and the mentally ill, than just banning a certain kind of weapon.

112   121212     2012 Dec 25, 3:41am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

It’s time. Join more than 800 mayors and 800,000 grassroots supporters to demand that President Obama and Congress step forward with a plan to end gun violence.

http://www.demandaplan.org/

Please sign the petition.

Merry XMAS all

113   theoakman   45/45 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 25, 5:02am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Having a cop on duty isn't turning the place into a police station. My school already has had a police officer who works at the school during the entire day. He's integrated into the school. All the teachers and students know him and each teacher has his office on speed dial. No one thinks of him as an armed guard. He's part of our community.

114   David Losh     2012 Dec 26, 12:21am  ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

121212 says

Please sign the petition.

This is a ridiculous petition. An assault weapons ban has been tried, the high capacity clip ban has been tried.

It's a feel good legislation that doesn't address the issue of gun violence, or the fact we live in a violent society.

115   zzyzzx   567/567 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 27, 7:41am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

116   Thedaytoday     2012 Dec 27, 7:59am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx you know nobody is talking about banning guns!

yet you continue this line of bullshit

commonsense reform is needed, obviously your not happy with any change that would stop you owning multiple AR's with huge drums.

Would you even have the balls to goto your neighbor and talk such shit?

117   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch     2012 Dec 27, 8:17am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

All this crap about hunting is so much crap. Pistols and shotguns should be banned. They are useless for a home militia. A real militia needs real ordinance like Gatling guns and machine guns with ammunition belts. Surface to air missiles. That's the kind of stuff everyone should have in their homes ready to rock 'n roll if and when government starts tyrannize them again. Most psychopaths are way too lazy to lift up stuff this heavy.

118   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch     2012 Dec 27, 11:12am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Professor says

You left out anti tank missiles.

Forgive me!

119   David Losh     2012 Dec 27, 12:02pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

All this crap about hunting is so much crap.

You may be kidding, but I agree.

All these Congress people, and Senators talking about hunting poor defenseless animals with guns is the wrong message to be sending.

The Right to Bear arms is the right to defence.

The NRA does the same thing, they talk like they are some knotty pine hunting lodge that is a gathering place for Sunday tea.

In our society, that is built partly on our right to own weapons, you have to expect violence. We have a violent history.

So all of these politicians, coupled with the NRA, should be talking about stemming the violence. What violence we can't calm we should be trained to defend against.

120   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch     2012 Dec 27, 12:11pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Right on!

The 2nd Amendment is ours!

And it's about organized self-defense! Mobs of guys with Gatling guns ablaze, ripping tyrants' troops into pet snacks!

Mr Possum or Madam Moose aren't a threat to life and liberty!

Give them a hug!

Give tryanny the lead!

121   TwoScoopsMcGee   1158/1158 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 28, 12:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

David Losh says

It's a feel good legislation that doesn't address the issue of gun violence, or the fact we live in a violent society.

B-But, the black plastic .22 is so much more scary looking than the Ruger 10/22 with the woodstock, even though both came from the factory with the pain in the ass square-shaped magazine.

And the Bubba'd SKS is more scary looking than the imported ex-Yugoslavian One made in the 1940s.

122   drew_eckhardt     2012 Dec 28, 2:05am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

121212 says

It’s time. Join more than 800 mayors and 800,000 grassroots supporters to demand that President Obama and Congress step forward with a plan to end gun violence.

http://www.demandaplan.org/

Please sign the petition.

Merry XMAS all

Thanks for the heads up.

I picked up some 7075-T6 aluminum counter petitions and will get to work signing them with a vertical mill.

123   121212     2012 Dec 28, 5:06am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

124   121212     2012 Dec 28, 5:07am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Really?? I must have missed something.....

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Yes your missing your brain and your dick, you coward. One type is not all. Claiming anything else is disingenuous of you, as USUAL!

125   David Losh     2012 Dec 28, 5:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

121212 says

Yes your missing your brain and your dick, you coward.

You made a good call on that, but ruined it with insults.

126   David Losh     2012 Dec 28, 5:21am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

121212 says

http://www.demandaplan.org/

However this is not a plan, it is calling for a ban of assault weapons, and high capacity clips.

127   121212     2012 Dec 28, 5:23am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

David Losh says

121212 says

http://www.demandaplan.org/

However this is not a plan, it is calling for a ban of assault weapons, and high capacity clips.

Yup.

It's a start. We need to ban gun show loop holes as well.

128   David Losh     2012 Dec 28, 5:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

121212 says

It's a start.

This is a failed legislation. It got us nowhere, as a matter of fact, I think it made assault weapons more sexy, more mysterious, and desirable to people.

This is the same as the NRA asking for the government to give them a solution.

This creates barriers to dialog. As long as we talk about small issues, like assault weapons, or police in schools, we never address the larger issue of violence.

129   121212     2012 Dec 28, 5:49am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

David Losh says

This is a failed legislation. It got us nowhere

Like Plan B!

130   121212     2012 Dec 28, 5:49am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The NRA does not have the power it thinks it has. Shit is gonna happen or it will be used as leverage!

131   121212     2012 Dec 28, 7:15am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Apparently you didn't read the link and list.... it might not be "all", but her proposal covers quite a few....

From the link:

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

* 120 specifically-named firearms;

* Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and

* Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

Good. Do it.

I agree. Should be stricter and much more regulation and policing.

132   thomaswong.1986     2012 Dec 28, 12:31pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Call it Crazy says

which one looks "scarier"??

it appears a folding stock is also considered "scary"... as if!

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