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Profile of a Democrat anti-gun lunatic

By zzyzzx   2013 Jan 9, 2:15am   10,491 views   48 comments   watch (1)   quote      

This is what we're up against. Just for information purposes, the murder rate from all causes in the United States is 4.8 per 100,000 while the murder rate in the US if you only look at white people is only 2.17 per 100,000 which comparable to Europe, and substantially lower than South American, African, and Asian murder rates

Murder rate by country per 100,000 (from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)

Russia 10.2
United Kingdom 1.2
Malawi 36.0
Zambia 38.0

The United States is the one if the safer countries in the world. There is a comparison.

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9   HEY YOU   642/642 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 4:08am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

2.17 is OK since Europe,S.A., Africa, Asia have higher murder rates.

Could some of those be Gun Nuts family members. Do Gun Nuts think the 2nd amendment trumps anybodies life? If someone dies it's just Collateral Damage?

10   Tenpoundbass   994/996 = 99% civil   2013 Jan 9, 4:19am  ↑ like (9)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

Sometimes you feel like a gun nut...
Sometimes you don't!

11   MMR   307/307 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 4:20am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

There are no democratic 'anti-gun' lunatics, just 'anti-gun' hypocrites like David Gregory and Piers Morgan. Geez I need to repeat myself over and over.....awesome

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/david-gregory-dc-attorney-general_n_2440237.html?utm_hp_ref=media

As I stated yesterday, he sends his precious children to Sidwell Friends where there are several armed guards while he talks out the other side of his mouth about armed guards in schools for the rest of the peons in society.

Piers Morgan doesn't want regular joes to have guns either but travels around with armed guards. This is because he is a pathological liar who stuck up for Rupert Murdoch of Faux News fame regarding their role in the phone hacking scandal.

Alex Jones is a bad representation of gun owners. But people talking about collateral damage should focus their wrath on the pharmaceutical industry and the failure to heed FDA black box warnings on drugs like Fanapt which Adam Lanza was taking.

Who has more lobbying dollars, the NRA or the Pharmaceutical industry? Who has more tentacles in the Government, NRA or Pharm? The answer to the latter is that, CDC, NIH, FDA and the Pharmaceutical Industry are a revolving door of executives. NRA is a drop in the bucket

12   MMR   307/307 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 4:22am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mass murder stopped in San antonio by plain clothes officer carrying concealed weapon

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Two-wounded-in-theater-shooting-4122668.php

Gee wonder why this didn't make news. Is it only because the shooter was stopped or because it doesn't fit the gun control agenda by the media?

13   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 5:03am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

People need weapons with belted ammo that would allow them unlimited streams of bullets.

I would think that a sword would do. Needs no permit and you never run out of bullets. Added bonus in that it probably leaves a bloodier mess than bullets would.

14   iwog   1539/1540 = 99% civil   2013 Jan 9, 5:08am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

while the murder rate in the US if you only look at white people

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I already made a great point that was ignored. Why do you think it's valid excluding large American cities while retaining large European cities in your data sample? I'm really beginning to think that after years of tea party denials, most of you are simply good old fashioned racist bigots.

15   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 5:13am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote    

leo707 says

Is it really that hard to actually find a real Democrat anti-gun lunatic?

You mean like Obama?

iwog says

zzyzzx says

while the murder rate in the US if you only look at white people

What the fuck is wrong with you?

If you are going to compare US murder rates to Europe, like you did in your thread, you really should be comparing the US murder rates by white people to make a valid comparison. If comparing US murder rates to Africa, the only use blacks in the US to make it a valid comparison. You know, compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges type of thing.

I was wondering how long it would take you to find this thread, it should seem somewhat familiar to you. That and I don't think we have any any or very many parody threads here yet.

16   Moderate Infidel     2013 Jan 9, 5:21am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Even if the murder rate was zero I don't want my neighbors owning AK47's.

17   bdrasin     2013 Jan 9, 5:24am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Everyone knows there are no black/brown people in Europe

18   FortWayne   437/441 = 99% civil   2013 Jan 9, 5:31am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

zzyzzx says

I would think that a sword would do. Needs no permit and you never run out of bullets. Added bonus in that it probably leaves a bloodier mess than bullets would.

In some countries you would actually need a permit in order to get a knife.

19   FortWayne   437/441 = 99% civil   2013 Jan 9, 5:32am  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Moderate Infidel says

Even if the murder rate was zero I don't want my neighbors owning AK47's.

Well, there is a whole list of things someone else does not want you to own... doesn't mean it should become a law.

20   iwog   1539/1540 = 99% civil   2013 Jan 9, 5:49am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

zzyzzx says

If you are going to compare US murder rates to Europe, like you did in your thread, you really should be comparing the US murder rates by white people to make a valid comparison.

Really? Because you think there are only white people living in Europe??

How about black people who die because white guns get into the hands of black criminals?

The only possible translation of anything you are saying here is that somehow the lives of minorities are irrelevant and shouldn't be included in any comparison of murder rates.

I am NOT someone who cries racism at any provocation but I think you really need to examine your core beliefs. I guess the liberals who levied claims of racism were right after all.

21   KgK one   1/1 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 5:49am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Why we need guns, Freedom
1) Without them we would still be controlled by british.
we fought gorilla war with those guns to get our freedom.

2) In india, they preach peace. Hinduism was peaceful but then some parts evolved into Buddism. Both religions are all about peace and nonviolance. Well guess what, Muslims overran them from 12-16 th century, massacared continuously. Even now they are getting massacred and being taken advantage.

3) No country in the world dare to occupy US. Suppose china builds up enough army and weapons, and fights us they would have to fight street by street to take over.

4) If some Pakistani guy funded by US to create turmoil in Asia, turns against US and has a nuke, most people will atleast stop them by shooting them in their legs

I don't own a gun one but i should for safety and freedom

22   Moderate Infidel     2013 Jan 9, 6:09am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

FortWayne says

Moderate Infidel says

Even if the murder rate was zero I don't want my neighbors owning AK47's.

Well, there is a whole list of things someone else does not want you to own... doesn't mean it should become a law.

There are laws preventing people from owning lots of things and for very good reasons.

23   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 9:31am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Without them, we could be speaking German now!!

And we'd have blonde hair and blue eyes too!

24   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 9:33am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

FortWayne says

In some countries you would actually need a permit in order to get a knife.

I didn't read the wikipedia page completely, but there was a reference to crossbows as being restricted in one country.

25   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 9, 11:16am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

I only know one word in German: schadenfreude.

26   Raw     2013 Jan 9, 11:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

leo707 says

Is it really that hard to actually find a real Democrat anti-gun lunatic?

It's impossible.

27   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 10, 3:36am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Why is the black male rate so high?

28   FortWayne   437/441 = 99% civil   2013 Jan 10, 3:36am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

zzyzzx says

I didn't read the wikipedia page completely, but there was a reference to crossbows as being restricted in one country.

Buying knifes in China requires you register it w/ the government.

29   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 10, 3:49am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

FortWayne says

Buying knifes in China requires you register it w/ the government.

Obligatory Crocodile Dundee movie reference:
That's not a knife. This is a knife!

30   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 10, 4:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

So young people are evil too. Lets hope that stay home, spend all day on Facebook, and never cause trouble.

31   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 10, 5:18am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Huh?

32   curious2   597/597 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 10, 5:24am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

IDDQD says

the shortest route to no-gun-violence paradise...

...is to end the drug war. There happens to be a similar epidemic of gun violence just south of the border with Mexico, due to the drug war and ATF gun-walking. Pointing to correlations with skin color is not productive; the question becomes why, and the clear answer is because there is an ongoing war especially in urban areas. Wars tend to involve shooting and homicide. During prohibition, people stereotyped Italians based on Joe Bonanno and Al Capone, but correlation is not causation. Ending the drug war would reduce US and Mexican gun homicides to Canadian levels. Canadians have plenty of guns too, and people of all colors, but they aren't always voting for more "war" against themselves.

33   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 10, 5:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Yes the drug war needs to end.

But I wonder if certain groups can benefit from positive thinking. The mind is powerful.

34   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 10, 8:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

IDDQD says

zzyzzx says

Obligatory Crocodile Dundee movie reference:

That's not a knife. This is a knife!

Good thing they were in NYC. In California carrying that knife concealed would be misdemeanor or felony.

What if you were carrying it, but not concealing it. Is that still illegal?

35   MMR   307/307 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 10, 11:38am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

leo707 says

Is it really that hard to actually find a real Democrat anti-gun lunatic?

Anti-gun lunatics like Andrew Cuomo and his comrade Feinstein only speak from transcripts where they just say some emotionally appealing

baloney.

Remember, they always travel with guns (armed guards) more often than not

36   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 13, 10:55pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

37   Dan8267   2640/2673 = 98% civil   2013 Jan 14, 12:36am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

KgK one says

Why we need guns, Freedom

1) Without them we would still be controlled by british.

we fought gorilla war with those guns to get our freedom.

2) In india, they preach peace. Hinduism was peaceful but then some parts evolved into Buddism. Both religions are all about peace and nonviolance. Well guess what, Muslims overran them from 12-16 th century, massacared continuously. Even now they are getting massacred and being taken advantage.

3) No country in the world dare to occupy US. Suppose china builds up enough army and weapons, and fights us they would have to fight street by street to take over.

4) If some Pakistani guy funded by US to create turmoil in Asia, turns against US and has a nuke, most people will atleast stop them by shooting them in their legs

I don't own a gun one but i should for safety and freedom

Not true until you can resolve this.

38   Dan8267   2640/2673 = 98% civil   2013 Jan 14, 12:43am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

Argument: Patrons of restaurants need to carry guns in case some lunatic opens fire on everyone.

OK, so in the extremely rare circumstance of a lunatic opening fire in a restaurant, you manage to save a dozen or so lives by everyone else having guns. Great.

But what about the far more common case of law-bidding citizens having too much to drink at the restaurant's bar or any bar, getting into an argument, and killing people because they are intoxicated and have loaded guns?

This will happen way the hell more often than a lunatic opening fire in a restaurant. Have you ever been to a bar? It's full of testosterone pumped, horny, drunk, young males fighting over pussy. Add guns to that and you'll have a massacre every weekend in every city.

So congratulations, you saved a dozen lives at the expense of hundreds of thousands of lives. Not a good trade off.

I'll take the 1 in a million chance that I'll be shot by a lunatic over the 1 in a hundred chance that I'll be shot by a drunk guy with a gun and no criminal record because I flirted with the wrong girl.

39   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 14, 12:53am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

But what about the far more common case of law-bidding citizens having too much to drink at the restaurant's bar or any bar, getting into an argument, and killing people because they are intoxicated and have loaded guns?

If enough of the other patrons have guns, that won't be much of a problem.

40   leo707     2013 Jan 14, 1:15am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

But what about the far more common case of law-bidding citizens having too much to drink at the restaurant's bar or any bar, getting into an argument, and killing people because they are intoxicated and have loaded guns?

At least in California CCW's often have the restriction that one can not carry in an establishment that sells alcohol.

41   leo707     2013 Jan 14, 1:17am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

Whoever made this survey forgot two options.

-Get immediately shot by the gun man.

-Find out that carrying a gun does not turn someone into the hero that they think they are.

42   mdovell     2013 Jan 14, 2:08am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Crime as a concept cannot be legislated out. If criminals cared about breaking laws then frankly there'd be no crime.

Having said that though there can be ebbs and flows to this. Murder rates in say medieval Britain were sky high

Here is a website that debates some figures which with todays standards illustrate it was much higher back then
http://bedejournal.blogspot.com/2011/11/steven-pinkers-medieval-murder-rates.html

One item that cannot be denied is that crime went significantly down after the height of the late 80's/early 90's. There are many debates as to why this has occurred. Some suggest the economy helped since unemployment reached record lows which is pretty simple. Others get into odder concepts such as lower exposure to lead (elimination of lead paint and lead in gasoline etc) under the idea that lead exposure lowers iq's and thus leads to more aggressive behavior.

Much can also be said in terms of what specifically "is" a crime. Of course there can be higher crime rates in the USA when a wider range of activity is actually considered a crime. Sometimes criminal behavior becomes a circle. When you add in the drug checks, background checks, credit checks and the indelible mark that being in jail can bring towards employment it is no surprise that many become repeat offenders if that is their only choice to make a living. It reminds me of Iceland to a point when in 2008 they were lumped together with the taliban, al qaida and north korea on a list of organizations blacklisted from banking and yet they were slammed for not paying back their loans..um..how could then when no one legally could accept them?

43   thomaswong.1986     2013 Jan 15, 3:43pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

mdovell says

One item that cannot be denied is that crime went significantly down after the height of the late 80's/early 90's. There are many debates as to why this has occurred. Some suggest the economy helped since unemployment reached record lows which is pretty simple.

The cocaine smuggling were intercepted using US military assets... laws created to go after narcotic smugglers and their assets. Going after the Columbian drug lords .. which included killing Pablo Escobar (Worth some $42Billion in wealth)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Escobar

as such .. the violence and common shooting by drug dealers/smugglers in So Florida dropped off in late 80s. That is why Miami after early 90s become a boom town after the people cleaned up of the drug crime organizations.

They even made a TV show about it... it was no mystery why crime ended in Miami.

mdovell says

Crime as a concept cannot be legislated out. If criminals cared about breaking laws then frankly there'd be no crime.

Actually you do legislate it.. as was the case above.. the biggest fear for the Columbian drug czar was a US Special Forces team storming their jungle fortress bringing them back into US or just putting a bullet into their head.. drove them insane.

It can be done!

44   Robert Sproul   17/17 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 16, 10:22am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Why do you think it's valid excluding large American cities while retaining large European cities in your data sample? I'm really beginning to think that after years of tea party denials, most of you are simply good old fashioned racist bigots.

You continue to ignore the idea that if this criminal activity is a problem of the urban inner city it should be solved there.
The proposed legislative solutions have nothing to do with any actual crime statistic, they are pandering to their large constituencies of pantywaists, rather than contemplate the difficult work of solving the social ills and poverty of Ghetto America, where the violent crime is endemic.

"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it." William Burroughs

45   Robert Sproul   17/17 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 16, 10:29am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

How about black people who die because white guns get into the hands of black criminals?

Best to confiscate my property before someone steals it?
Really?
Hedges is right about the Death of the Liberal Class. The pathetic remnant is the Authoritarian Vanguard.

46   Dan8267   2640/2673 = 98% civil   2013 Jan 16, 11:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx says

If enough of the other patrons have guns, that won't be much of a problem.

Yeah, 30 drunk horny young men with guns all shooting at each other. What could possibly go wrong?

47   Dan8267   2640/2673 = 98% civil   2013 Jan 16, 11:21am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

mdovell says

If criminals cared about breaking laws then frankly there'd be no crime.

The criminals in government would still commit crimes just by making them legal. Crime, as a concept, is not the same thing as illegality.

48   zzyzzx   571/571 = 100% civil   2013 Jan 17, 12:28am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

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