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To end extreme poverty, end extreme wealth

By tovarichpeter   2013 Jan 28, 5:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   1,406 views   14 comments   watch (0)   share   quote  

http://blog.ourfuture.org/20130127/to-end-extreme-poverty-lets-try-ending-extreme-wealth

The world’s wealthy gathered in the Alps again last week to discuss how to ‘solve’ the world’s problems. The world’s biggest problem, suggests one top global anti-poverty outfit, may be their fortunes.

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1   Tenpoundbass (68/68 = 100% civil)   2013 Jan 28, 5:45am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

You can't end extreme poverty no more than you can end aging.
Remember the Golden Voice homeless man? In less than a month he went from discovered, admired, investigated, hated, to back to obscurity.

Same with street corner shoeless man.

2   Quigley (10/10 = 100% civil)   2013 Jan 28, 6:34am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Just have communism! It worked so well for the soviets that they had to eat as a staple, little cakes made of ground up potato peelings from the leavings of those with better party connections. So instead of a few very poor people, you have most people very poor.

3   Peter P   2013 Jan 28, 6:51am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Until poor people realize they cannot afford children there will always be poverty.

I doubt I can afford kids.

4   raindoctor   2013 Jan 28, 6:57am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Poverty as we see today is an urban phenomenon. In agrarian (rural) societies, if they exist now, poverty has to do with the kind of food one eats: the poor section of rural population eat grains; the better-off eat rice. Not a much of difference. Today, technology has solved the food problem: you don't need much labor to produce food.

Technology is egalitarian: it does not distinguish between the poor and the rich; of course, the modern fad of organics is an attempt to create that barrier between those who can afford such organics (the haves) and those who can't (the poor).

The other criticism is about the fast food industry: this can be tackled differently.

When people migrated to urban areas, they can't rely on old ways of living: in rural societies of the past, the kids followed the path travelled by their parents and ancestors: kids of farmers became farmers; kids of blacksmiths became blacksmiths. Minimally, the kids could continue whatever their parents did.

Today, a doctor can't guarantee the same gig for his kid. A lawyer can't hand over his job to his son. A professor can't hand over his job to his kids. As a parent, one tries to guarantee the same quality of level for his posterity. Modern society can't guarantee this: that's why you see this struggle manifested in various forms: skewed housing markets in Cupertino; admission games to HYP, Stanford, MIT; massive tutoring to get a leg up on the competition; financial engineering to screw others so that the big boys can save money for 9 more generations; FIRE sector jobs and its commision structure; NIMBYism; so on.

Major cause of urban poverty is the high cost of living, despite the cost of food being cheap and the availability of clean water and good sewage systems. Some claim that the labor cost in urban areas is driving the cost of living higher and higher. I don't buy this nonsense, since many folks living in urban setting do not need maids to do their day to day tasks, since clean water and sewage system is already provided for.

I think, science and engineering will have to solve the problem of poverty and the problem of unhappiness as well.

5   Peter P   2013 Jan 28, 7:01am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Technology is overrated. I rather have maids, just like in the downtown abbey.

6   leo707   2013 Jan 28, 7:01am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

CaptainShuddup says

You can't end extreme poverty no more than you can end aging.

Remember the Golden Voice homeless man? In less than a month he went from discovered, admired, investigated, hated, to back to obscurity.

Same with street corner shoeless man.

Well, if internet fame can't solve all their problems that lead them to extreme poverty then I guess nothing can.

7   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2013 Jan 28, 8:22am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

just transport the poor to hunting theme parks where the rich can fly around and shoot them

8   Tenpoundbass (68/68 = 100% civil)   2013 Jan 28, 8:44am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Or you could just build homeless Village, a ghost town, where the homeless sleep on the door stoops.

9   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2013 Jan 28, 8:55am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Sure you could, but what would be the entertainment value to oligarchs?

10   New Renter   2013 Jan 28, 9:36am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Quigley says

Just have communism! It worked so well for the soviets that they had to eat as a staple, little cakes made of ground up potato peelings from the leavings of those with better party connections. So instead of a few very poor people, you have most people very poor.

Do you really believe what the Soviets practiced was true communism?

11   Dan8267 (67/68 = 98% civil)   2013 Jan 28, 10:29am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

CaptainShuddup says

You can't end extreme poverty no more than you can end aging.

Out of all the things you have every said on this site, this is the most absurd and unfounded. Of course extreme poverty can be ended. Today's technology alone is enough so that there doesn't have to be extreme poverty. It's a political problem, not a technological one.

12   TechGromit   2013 Jan 29, 12:24am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

raindoctor says

Today, a doctor can't guarantee the same gig for his kid. A lawyer can't hand over his job to his son. A professor can't hand over his job to his kids. As a parent, one tries to guarantee the same quality of level for his posterity. Modern society can't guarantee this: that's why you see this struggle manifested in various forms...

This brings up a very good point, some people are just prone to be poor. Even if your transferred considerable wealth to your children, they could squander it away.

There was this guy named John Margotti who worked all his life as an electrician and built up a very successful business in North Jersey. He turned the business over to his son and retired to South Jersey. All his son had to do was manage the business and he be set for life. The business had good employees, equipment, vehicles, a good reputation, it should have been an easy gig. Well the son bankrupted the business within one year. The son's wife would go on shopping sprees with money deposited into the business accounts when they received a down payment for a job. The father had to end up starting a new electrical business in South Jersey because his retirement plans were so screwed up. The son ended up becoming a fly by night contractor that didn't complete jobs.

This can happen to any one's children, no matter how much money, eduction or opportunities given to them when they are starting out in life. The simple fact is not all people are created equal, so are major screw ups, than are destined to be poor. Where it's laziness, they get involved in drugs, drop out of school, what ever, poverty is something that will always be around, no matter how much anyone tried to get rid of it.

13   Ironman (121/130 = 93% civil)   2013 Jan 29, 12:39am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

TechGromit says

All his son had to do was manage the business and he be set for life. The business had good employees, equipment, vehicles, a good reputation, it should have been an easy gig. Well the son bankrupted the business within one year.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen that situation happen. The reason is that the kid is babied the whole time and not held responsible. "Daddy" never forced him to "learn" the business and junior just gets "carried" by all the other good employees....

As soon as daddy steps away, the business usually loses it's good employees and the business crashes and burns....

14   Tenpoundbass (68/68 = 100% civil)   2013 Jan 29, 12:40am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Wow I make my most poignant post in the history of Patnet and it gets skipped over completely with more Liberal ejaculant in lieu of thought.

CaptainShuddup says

Or you could just build homeless Village, a ghost town, where the homeless sleep on the door stoops.

My point is, you could send most of our homeless to a ghost town, where they could have carte blanche on which resident they chose, free and clear with out owing one dime for it. I'm saying that most of those homeless people chose a house based on the doorstoop to sleep on.

For the most part homelessness is a mental ailment.
Though I don't consider ALL people who find them selves on the street homeless. The one's I don't consider homeless, always work their way back off the streets relative quickly.

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