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Incredible Letter from CEO of Titan to France "How Stupid Do You Think We Are?

By Mish   2013 Feb 19, 9:17am   ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   1,485 views   16 comments   watch (1)   share   quote  

Incredible Letter from CEO of Titan to France Minister of Industrial Renewal, Blasting French Unions and USA: "How Stupid Do You Think We Are?"
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/02/incredible-letter-from-ceo-of-titan-to.html
Mish

This is pretty wild

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1   New Renter   2013 Feb 19, 10:15am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Apparently not as stupid as American workers who work much harder than their French counterparts for less. Seriously three hours of work a day? Clearly the French have much to teach us.

2   HEY YOU (3/3 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 20, 10:07am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

"They get one hour for breaks and lunch, talk for three, and work for three." I need one of these job application.
My job experience: I've perfected the breaks,lunch & 3 hrs. of talk. I might need some training for the 3 hrs. of work.

3   MMR (10/10 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 20, 10:39am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Teach us about how to be worthless and not feel guilty about it.....

New Renter says

Apparently not as stupid as American workers who work much harder than their French counterparts for less. Seriously three hours of work a day? Clearly the French have much to teach us.

4   New Renter   2013 Feb 21, 3:30am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

MMR says

Teach us about how to be worthless and not feel guilty about it.....

New Renter says

Apparently not as stupid as American workers who work much harder than their French counterparts for less. Seriously three hours of work a day? Clearly the French have much to teach us.

So you feeling of worth are completely tied to your job? How sad for you.

5   New Renter   2013 Feb 21, 3:32am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

HEY YOU says

"They get one hour for breaks and lunch, talk for three, and work for three." I need one of these job application.

My job experience: I've perfected the breaks,lunch & 3 hrs. of talk. I might need some training for the 3 hrs. of work.

Note how the lunch hour is counted as part of the official 7 hr work day. Nice!

Thanks Mish, this is very informative!

6   gbenson   2013 Feb 21, 8:21am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Mish says

This is pretty wild

It's also pretty factually inaccurate. Apparently some co-op student already threw most of the CEO's theory under the bus by publishing his daily work schedule at a car factory.

7   MMR (10/10 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 21, 9:08am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Working hard is a virtue, apology if you didn't understand what I meant.
My goal is to not have a 'job' but rather a 'career' and to be an 'entrepreneur'. Currently my 'job' is student.

This is a generalization that is easily proven false based on various parameters, but in general, I don't think a lot of French people take pride in their work.

I'm not necessarily a religious person, but aren't sloth and gluttony among the 'seven deadly sins'.

New Renter says

MMR says

Teach us about how to be worthless and not feel guilty about it.....

New Renter says

Apparently not as stupid as American workers who work much harder than their French counterparts for less. Seriously three hours of work a day? Clearly the French have much to teach us.

So you feeling of worth are completely tied to your job? How sad for you.

8   JodyChunder   2013 Feb 21, 12:31pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

I think a three hour work day is about right. I've tried all combinations, from double-shifts to 14 hours to 8. None too much to my liking.

9   New Renter   2013 Feb 21, 1:34pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

MMR says

Working hard is a virtue, apology if you didn't understand what I meant.

My goal is to not have a 'job' but rather a 'career' and to be an 'entrepreneur'. Currently my 'job' is student.

This is a generalization that is easily proven false based on various parameters, but in general, I don't think a lot of French people take pride in their work.

I'm not necessarily a religious person, but aren't sloth and gluttony among the 'seven deadly sins'.

No problem, Sure doing a good job is something to be proud of. Work can yield a great sense of accomplishment and a GOOD job adds to life. Good jobs seem to be the exception rather than the rule for most people though.

If the French did not take pride in their work why would French cuisine be renowned throughout the world? Michelin tires are damn good tires, SOMEONE must take pride in making them. CERN is half French and that is a hell of a feat of engineering. The TGV, French nuclear reactors, all good stuff.

People stop taking pride in their work when they are not treated fairly, not when they are pampered.

As for the sin of gluttony, have you looked at the average American lately?

10   MMR (10/10 = 100% civil)   2013 Feb 21, 1:56pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

I agree with everything you are saying. I hadn't quite thought it out. I like and admire all the examples you mentioned. I actually had to look up CERN....I now realize that it refers to the LHC.

I certainly wish there was a TGV-esque system of rail in the US. It is a great engineering feat but I'm still not 100% convinced that such innovation is happening in France as in the past.

The French educational system is pretty impressive. Although I don't agree with everything in the curriculum, in terms of rigor, the IB program is good preparation for the critical thinking necessary to survive and excel in STEM majors.

French is definitely my favorite type of cuisine. I eat 'French-ish' food at least once a week.

Maybe you're right about people not caring due to unfair treatment, but many people have 35 hour work weeks. I'm not sure I know anyone with a precise 9-5 job anymore, whether in medicine or engineering.

not to generalize but American gluttony is a topic that comes up in my house every single day, particularly with regards to health, wellness. I'd say it's heartbreaking, but the frustration of seeing people develop illnesses that cost a lot of money to treat and with mediocre results is palpable. The worst part of obesity related illnesses is that, although there may be a genetic element, the diseases (i.e. diabetes, cardiovascular disease) is generally avoidable. I'm of the mindset that a significant number of cancers are avoidable as well.

New Renter says

If the French did not take pride in their work why would French cuisine be renowned throughout the world? Michelin tires are damn good tires, SOMEONE must take pride in making them. CERN is half French and that is a hell of a feat of engineering. The TGV, French nuclear reactors, all good stuff.

11   New Renter   2013 Feb 21, 4:02pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

MMR says

Maybe you're right about people not caring due to unfair treatment, but many people have 35 hour work weeks. I'm not sure I know anyone with a precise 9-5 job anymore, whether in medicine or engineering.

And IMHO mandatory work schedule creep a bad, not a good thing. With fewer hours spent at work it is easier for a two income family to have a work schedule where one parent is working while the other is home with the kids. If both parents are working at the same time then unless they are lucky enough to have a willing relative nearby a nanny is needed which just adds to the family expense.

At least one American CEO agrees with this idea:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/opinion/sunday/be-more-productive-shorten-the-workweek.html?_r=0

The question you have to ask is are those employees getting actual work done in those extra hours or are they all just chatting on Patnet?

How about you Mish?

12   New Renter   2013 Feb 21, 4:19pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

JodyChunder says

I think a three hour work day is about right. I've tried all combinations, from double-shifts to 14 hours to 8. None too much to my liking.

JC, You ARE the man!

13   finehoe   2013 Feb 21, 10:57pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

Why do American conservatives get so incensed about the French 35-hour work week?

14   New Renter   2013 Feb 22, 12:04am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

finehoe says

Why do American conservatives get so incensed about the French 35-hour work week?

Jealousy!

15   gbenson   2013 Feb 22, 2:06am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

New Renter says

Jealousy!

Have to agree there. The French care about their work. But they care about their personal lives and family more. But apparently the party of 'family values' thinks that's a bad thing.

16   New Renter   2013 Feb 27, 1:56am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   top   bottom   home   share  

gbenson says

Mish says

This is pretty wild

It's also pretty factually inaccurate. Apparently some co-op student already threw most of the CEO's theory under the bus by publishing his daily work schedule at a car factory.

Link?

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