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U.S. worst first world country in which to live

By tovarichpeter   2013 Mar 13, 11:26am   3,578 views   32 comments   watch (0)   quote      

http://rt.com/shows/the-truthseeker/us-worst-place-live-253/

The greatest nation on earth ( US politicians & media) exposed as among the worst in the West... on all life indicators, why China steams ahead, plans for Land of the Tax Free, + the proud record the States share with Lesotho, Liberia, Papua New Guinea and Swaziland. Seek truth from facts with Belle Isle: Detroits Game Changer author Rod Lockwood, Chair of Chinese Intl. Affairs Barry Naughton, The Personality and Well-Being Lab Director Dr. Ryan Howell, Political Science Professor Joseph Cheng, and Fox host Bill OReilly.

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1   Tenpoundbass   977/978 = 99% civil   2013 Mar 14, 3:21am  ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

It's not a bad place to live, we just have a propensity for electing crappy people.
I mean really really really shitty people, you would have to sift through mounds and mounds, of apacolypsfuck's shit piles on evil realtor's faces, to find worse people.

2   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 3:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

God, I love RT News. The video is spot on. Why is it that RT News and the fictional news team on Newsroom (US) are the only places to get real news on the US in the US?

3   New Renter     2013 Mar 14, 4:30am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

CaptainShuddup says

It's not a bad place to live, we just have a propensity for electing crappy people.

I mean really really really shitty people, you would have to sift through mounds and mounds, of apacolypsfuck's shit piles on evil realtor's faces, to find worse people.

Really? Have you taken a look at Italy lately?

4   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 6:51am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

IDDQD says

Are you sure you're really an engineer? You swallowed their "rankings" hook line and sinker without looking at the "study" they refer to and the methods used. They repeatedly mention OECD. I went to OECD site directly and the closest thing to the oversimplified ranking they mention in the video is OECD's Better Life Index.

If you're not willing to do the work, just shut up. It was trivially easy for me to find independent confirmation of the claims made by this video. (See next few postings.)

5   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 6:51am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Claim: US ranks 28th in Infant mortality, hospital beds per capita, and survival past middle age.

Infant Mortality: confirmed
http://www.cdc.gov/omhd/amh/factsheets/infant.htm
http://www.unhinderedliving.com/mortality.html

Hospital Beds per Capita: confirmed
http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=78

Survival Past Middle Age: confirmed
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_sur_rat_to_age_65_men-survival-rate-age-65-men
Yes, right now the US has barely passed Finland to claim 27, but the above website is using live data.

6   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 6:51am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Claim: US ranks 28th in life expectancy (incorrect tagline says "health")
confirmed

The reporter says 28th in life expectancy, although the tagline reads "health". I'd say this is a reasonable mistake in the tagline, not deception. For the claim itself, it's confirmed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065548/U-S-ranks-28th-life-expectancy-pay-MOST-health-care.html

7   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 6:51am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Claim: US ranks last in west for HIV infection, drug abuse, violence

HIV: confirmed
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=100&v=35

Drug Abuse: confirmed
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500368_162-4222322.html
Yeah, you can bitch about the WHO's survey not being large enough, but they targeted the worst countries.

Violence: confirmed
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/10/16446720-americans-far-more-likely-to-suffer-violent-deaths-than-peers
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_hom_wit_fir-crime-gun-violence-homicides-firearms

8   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 6:52am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Claim: US has least asylum seekers taken.

This claim is vague. It sounds like its talking total numbers, but that wouldn't make sense because larger countries (by land area, GDP, or population) would have a higher absolute number for a given level of generosity. If that is what was meant, which is logical, then confirmed. Although the US takes a lot of asylum seekers (a whopping 86 per year), for its size by any metric that's pretty damn small.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/imm_asy_see-immigration-asylum-seekers

confirmed

9   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 6:52am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Claim: US causes the most environmental damage
confirmed

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100505092006.htm

I would have gone with damage per capita rather than damage proportional to available resources, but that would have made the US look even worse.

10   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 6:52am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Claim: US offers least foreign aid (obviously scoped to developed countries)
confirmed

http://essaysandarticles.com/education-essays/foreign-aid-and-self-reliance/

11   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch     2013 Mar 14, 6:55am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Assholes.

DOn't they understand we have the 2nd Amendment so we can threaten to shoot doctors who don't give us health care and to hold up drug stores for drugs.

By this measure, we're the best so shut the fuck up.

12   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 7:34am  ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

You know my posts have hit a nerve when they've all been disliked. It's like feedback that I'm on the right track.

13   Graybox   102/104 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 7:37am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

14   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 7:44am  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

IDDQD says

KarlRoveIsScum says

RT IS RUSSIAN NEWS PROPAGANDA AIMED AT THE WEST!

Yep, and they use age-old method of sprinkling little bit of real numbers here and there on their steaming pile of propaganda shit for Dans of this world to gobble up. Wrong sources cited, wrong categories mentioned - doesn't matter: Dans will think of something to make it fit.

You are so full of shit it's amazing. First you claim that the RT News statistics are complete bullshit. Then when I go one by one over them proving them with independent sources, you flip-flop faster than John Kerry at the International House of Pancakes and claim that the stats are true just to give credit to misleading conclusions. And that's equally ridiculous. The conclusion is that the U.S. isn't the greatest fucking place in the world by various objective measurements. And that conclusion is correct.

But if you prefer the Hollywood version...

15   dublin hillz   14/14 = 100% civil   2013 Mar 14, 8:06am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

We could definitely do better in terms of life expectancy. We are ranked 51st in the world. Even countries with "death panels" such as U.K. are outperforming us on that metric. However, it seems to me that in United States it is easier to achieve a certain level of comfort/complacency that manifests itself via large houses or apartments relatively affordable big screen TVs, suburbia phenomenon, relatively cheap gasoline and better prices cars for same quality that can make living here very addictive.

16   leo707     2013 Mar 14, 9:42am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Violence: confirmed

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/10/16446720-americans-far-more-likely-to-suffer-violent-deaths-than-peers

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_hom_wit_fir-crime-gun-violence-homicides-firearms

I have not seen the video yet, so I don't know if RT specifies "violence" or "murder."

Yes, the US is the best at murder, but as discussed in this thread there are many other developed countries that are more "violent" than the US. They just beat people up rather than a good ol' American killing.

17   lostand confused   213/213 = 100% civil   2013 Mar 14, 10:05am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

That and we throw more people in jail than any nation on earth. The land of the free jails more of its populace per capita or by any measure than any nation on earth.

18   zzyzzx   570/570 = 100% civil   2013 Mar 14, 10:17am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote    

It's really not fair to compare the US to other countries that don't have blacks.

19   Patrick   1801/1801 = 100% civil   2013 Mar 14, 10:19am  ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The US is the best place to be rich, because it's so easy to confuse the public here about real productivity (which deserves to be rewarded) and mere non-productive rent-seeking (which does not deserve anything).

The poor here think the rich are entitled to eternal rents without working. And they think themselves lazy or unworthy for not having successfully exploited others the way they themselves are being exploited.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

20   lostand confused   213/213 = 100% civil   2013 Mar 14, 10:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx says

It's really not fair to compare the US to other countries that don't have blacks.

Actually over the last decade, black incarceration rates have dropped sharply, while whites and hispanic rates have gone up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/us/incarceration-rates-for-blacks-dropped-report-shows.html?_r=0

21   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 12:32pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    


The US is the best place to be rich, because it's so easy to confuse the public here about real productivity (which deserves to be rewarded) and mere non-productive rent-seeking (which does not deserve anything).

Well said.

22   Mick Russom     2013 Mar 14, 12:37pm  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

I've traveled quite a bit. More people are miserable here than most other places. In fact, I found that the people who seem to enjoy life and family the most don't have very much. I remember having great times vacationing in Santo Domingo DR, and yes, its a rougher area and its not heaven on earth, but mingling with regular people was a real eye opener. Chile as well. This places sucks, and there are times when I think to run up and max out credit, buy a bunch of krugerrands and get the hell out of here and retire to a real life.

23   lostand confused   213/213 = 100% civil   2013 Mar 14, 1:53pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mick Russom says

I've traveled quite a bit. More people are miserable here than most other
places.

Yeah, I don't know what it is. Maybe in other places, it is more family oriented and so people don't feel so isolated? I see people in slums and they are so happy-in their own way. Maybe they accept their lot and so are content?? But here reality changes so often, that at some point nothing makes sense anymore-except that it will change again.

24   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch     2013 Mar 14, 3:21pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

All these other countries are just making up their numbers because they hate Freedom.

25   iwog   1500/1501 = 99% civil   2013 Mar 14, 3:30pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

It's really not fair to compare the US to other countries that don't have blacks.

Which first world nations don't have blacks?

26   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 14, 3:33pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

zzyzzx says

It's really not fair to compare the US to other countries that don't have blacks.

Which first world nations don't have blacks?

The ones in zzyzzx's fantasy.

27   coriacci1     2013 Mar 15, 12:13am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx says

It's really not fair to compare the US to other countries that don't have blacks.

ignorance speaks.

28   coriacci1     2013 Mar 15, 12:15am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says


I've traveled quite a bit. More people are miserable here than most other

places.

i like to blame the realtors.

29   MMR   286/286 = 100% civil   2013 Mar 15, 2:17am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I guess, but I still say propublica is one of the best. Far superior in factual evidence compared to Fox, MSNBC and CNN. Won pulitzer prizes in investigative and national journalism in 2011 and 2010, respectively.

Dan8267 says

God, I love RT News. The video is spot on. Why is it that RT News and the fictional news team on Newsroom (US) are the only places to get real news on the US in the US?

30   zzyzzx   570/570 = 100% civil   2013 Mar 15, 2:51am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    


The US is the best place to be rich

I'm pretty sure that just about every country is a good place to be if you are rich.

31   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 15, 2:55am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

KarlRoveIsScum says

Ireland

All fucked.

Dare you to say that in Ireland in a pub on St. Patrick's Day. I think a few of the patrons might disagree with you.

32   Dan8267   2540/2572 = 98% civil   2013 Mar 15, 3:04am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

KarlRoveIsScum says

http://rt.com/politics/lavrov-homosexual-propaganda-united-nations-law-466/

Russia's 'gay propaganda' bill fights discrimination

Yep, anti-gay bigotry is alive and well in Russia. As for the short article, it does not go into any depth and seems like an op-ed piece. If it's not than this is the first article I've seen that is statist propaganda, something all too typical in the U.S.

Of course, this is the first article about Russia other than the recent meteor strike that I've read from RT News. The RT News posted by me and others on this site have all been about the U.S. and those articles and videos have always been factually correct and the truth not misrepresented at all.

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