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1997 Home Prices... 15 year anniversary in 2012!!


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2011 Oct 17, 7:07am   15,380 views  47 comments

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The most common sentiment I've seen on this website is that home prices will roll back to 1997 prices. Right now we are somewhere between 2000-2003 home prices depending on where you live...

Dig a little deeper and you find:

1997 Interest Rates were 7.5% on average
2012 Interest Rates will probably average 4% at the highest the rate things are going..

If you calculate a 1997 home appreciation of about 1% a year...

Then a home in 1997 should be worth 15% more in 2012 bare minimum.. and aggressively as much as 45% more if you account for 3% yearly appreciation x 15 years.

Now if you take into account the monthly affordability of a home:

1997 home price $270K at 7.5% interest rate (20% down) = $1527 principal/int month
2012 home price $400K at 4% interest rate (20% down) = $1527 principal/int month

So on a monthly payment basis.. A 400K home is costing a family the same out of pocket to own as a $270K home in 1997.

How much further can the monthly cost of owning a home drop? If home prices can stagnate for 15 years... Then why can't interest rates stagnant along with them? Will interest rates be 2% to own a home in 5 years? (Didn't Japan have 2% mortgage rates?) And if so where will home prices be by comparison?

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46   thomas.wong1986   2011 Oct 20, 1:06pm  

SiO2 says

Regarding salaries, my experience is that salaries are higher than in 1997. Not only for me personally, but for a given title (e.g. Sr Engineer). The company where I work is profitable, and is hiring even now (and even in the US).

Friend of mine was a Vp at 3Par, its hard to say how long before he will pick up a gig. HP bought out 3Par. Others have seen their job vanish and they took jobs they once had some 10-15 years ago with paycut. Controller to Accounting Manager, Accounting Manager down to Sr Accountant or Some Consulting gig.

Engineers ? There is a glut of them in the US. Especially since there are currently fewer employers in SV and many options to relocate elsewhere. Half of my employers R&D is overseas. Im not pleased with any of that.

SiO2 says

If prices will go back to 97, that's perhaps a 50% drop from today in higher-end areas like LG. So, why not sell if your asset will drop in price by 50%?

Asset ? My financial assets which I started by saving back in '82 have and are doing well. When I bought, LG was a city in SCC like many others. My focus has been career, not trying to get rich. Nothing special about LG when I bought. But it was far enough from work. Of course, some people from elsewhere believe its special. Where were they back in the 80s?

47   SiO2   2011 Oct 20, 1:55pm  

Corntrollio - I'm not sure if the claim of 1997 prices should be inflation adjusted or not. But even if so, if you look at Thomas Wong's chart, the SJ index is now about 580, but the inflation line is 300. So if it will go back to that line, that's almost 50% drop.

Thomas, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Like I said, not everyone has a job. Maybe that's part of the widening separation between Fortress and elsewhere - those with jobs are doing well or better than before, those without, not so much. So if the average salary is increasing, it will create demand in certain areas, but if the number of jobs is declining, the area with demand will shrink.
If the number of jobs decreases by a lot, the salary will ultimately decrease based on supply and demand, but for now at least it is still difficult to find skilled engineers, therefore they can command a good salary.

I consider the house to be an asset, as it has some value, and I could sell it. Unlike some clothes, even if I spent $1000 on a suit I couldn't really sell it for $1000 or even $500. If I thought my house (or any other asset) would drop in value by 50%, I would sell it. I don't think the house will drop that much, therefore I keep it. I wonder why people who think prices will drop by 50% would keep a house; I suppose that the enjoyment of ownership (which has been discussed before) outweighs the financial loss.

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