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bmwman91
2012 Dec 26, 3:16pm
It could be starting a business or paying for an advanced degree.
I agree with the points made about using house debt do to do these things. They have the potential to greatly benefit the borrower, making the amount paltry in the long run. It is one way of doing it. The number of people that ACTUALLY do that with a HELOC is almost insignificant.
With interest rates what they are now, why not just take out business loans? The qualification requirements are higher than those for a HELOC as are interest rates, but in the end, if the business succeeds the amount borrowed still turns out to be paltry. Borrowing against the house like that does still have some possibility of rendering the loan owner into a renter again. I am just not really seeing a sound logical argument for borrowing lots of money to get a house which you then use to borrow more money to MAYBE become more successful. Lots of people have formed start-ups while renting and securing business loans and/or VC money. I'd rather have to walk away from that stuff than my house if things don't work out. If things DO work out, whatever I borrowed for a business loan or in VC won't be that big of a deal because my business will be making me much more than that.
With interest rates what they are now, why not just take out business loans?
7 years @ 7-10% (SBA loan) vs. 10 years @ 3-4% (HELOC)?
If you have equity in your house, it's MUCH cheaper to use that.
in the end, if the business succeeds the amount borrowed still turns out to be paltry.
Haha, no! The vast majority of businesses fail, and those that succeed frequently struggle to pay back their early loans. There's a whole world of industry between failure and becoming a publicly traded company. The world runs on companies that earn under $1M / year, and to those companies 10% interest is a shit load of money. Many, many companies that are seemingly "successful" wind up failing because they can't repay their debts.
Lots of people have formed start-ups while renting and securing business loans and/or VC money.
Yeah, in the loopy world of silicon valley, sure. In the rest of the world, "VC" isn't even a word that people know. You either borrow the money from your dad or you borrow the money from your house. You can try to borrow the money from the bank, but:
1. They probably won't lend to you.
2. The most they'll lend to you is relatively small.
3. They'll give you what you need, but you'll be paying a minimum of 10%.
Anyway, I'm not suggesting that you buy a house just so that you have the HELOC option, simply that it's an intangible benefit that you'll get if you have equity in your home that you'll never get by renting. A HELOC is the cheapest debt you'll ever be able to get outside of borrowing against your retirement account.
I believe Kevin works for Amazon
Nope.
In any case, software engineer/developer is currenty the most lucrative working class profession in the world.
Not really. It's a great profession, but surgeons, dentists, anesthesiologists, trial lawyers, petroleum engineers, quants, and psychologists all get paid much more on average. Software engineering just looks highly paid on paper because it tends to be concentrated in really expensive areas. There are SWEs in places like ohio and arizona making under $75k. No attending surgeon gets paid that poorly.
Software engineering is probably the best paying job you can get without an advanced degree (or even any degree for that matter) with some regularity. You can certainly make plenty of money in a lot of other professions that don't require an advanced degree (like real estate or banking), but it's a lot harder.
The major downside to being a software engineer is that there are only a handful of places where you can live that will allow you to get paid well and actually enjoy the work that you do. A surgeon or lawyer can go anywhere. I'm limited to big coastal cities (and not all of them, either)
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How severely would inflation have to rise for it to make sense to burden oneself with a huge mortgage. Many people believe that there is a good chance of hyperinflation in the future. Lets say someone decides to take out a 500,000 dollar mortgage at 5% 30 year fixed right before interest rates start to rise and house prices fall. How much would inflation have to up and over how long a time period for that person to have made a wise choice, compared to renting for ten years after rates go up and prices drop, and buying with cash at a lower price. Not sure how low the price would be though and of course that is a key variable. I am just toying with the idea of housing vs gold. Stash your money in real estate, stash your money in gold? A little bit of both?
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