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CaptainShuddup says

I'm still waiting for those healthy edible choices. We've got sugar covered, no one can afford it chief, we've been doing with out sugar for a while. And fresh produce and meats too. I guess we're not dancing hard enough.

One of the big problems about healthy lifestyles are the market disincentives. If people have tight budgets, they're not going to spend their last penny on healthy food. Even if they have the money, they want to keep a few dollars in the bank in case a relative gets sick or they get in an accident and can't work. So they buy cheap food which is filled with fat, sugar, and salt.

If we just stopped subsidizing these foods and instead gave some sort of food stamp like assistance to low income people that could only be spent on fresh produce, we'd be so much better off. But sending $40 a month in veggie stamps to poor women so not only will they have the resources to feed themselves and their families healthy good but would also encourage stores and supermarkets to carry more of those in stock, well that's socialism. Letting corn producers get out of certain taxes that vegitable growers have to pay, that's capitalism.

This makes me sick. What is the purpose of the FDA and their food pyramid? To make people sick and fat? The disinformtion on healthy eating habits starts at the top. Between usfedgov bad information, parlayed with Harvard medicine years of bad science and bad info, its no wonder our health care system is so in need of a government solution (when the government has been the main instigator of the problem all along)

Look at the first reply, the poster seems to insinuate that salt and fat are unhealthy in the human diet!. Salt is essential to the human diet and people have been misled to believe it to be dangerously unhealthy. Fat as well, animal fat is brain food for humans.

She wants people to eat healthy,,,she doesn't even know what healthy eating looks like,,,not to mention as the first lady she is the face of the usfedgov,,,,who seem to want people to be sick. Ugh it is beyond maddening

errc says

She wants people to eat healthy,,,she doesn't even know what healthy eating looks like,,,not to mention as the first lady she is the face of the usfedgov,

You should have seen the interview I saw yesterday, she just kept talking (food is bad) talking points, with out actually proposing a solution for those on a budget that can't afford her 14 karat gold plated dinner plate.
Just reiterating exercise and cut out sugar and dance with your kids. Like any kid over the age of 10 would be caught dead cutting a rug with Mom and Dad. Besides if a video of it got out on Youtube or Facebook, popular opinion might call it child abuse, and an angry torch and pitchfork wielding rabble will descend on your lawn.

If she was the least bit sincere she would address the speculators that have driven up food and energy prices. I bet she's one of the inside traders that have done quite well for them selves since Obama has taken office.

How can she talk about weight with a back yard that huge, she was saying that she's exercising, and then listing a litany of exercises, with "um" between, like she was pulling them out of her ass like I'm sure she was. She hasn't seen a squat since her last delivery.

CaptainShuddup says

If she was the least bit sincere she would address the speculators that have driven up food and energy prices.

You repeatedly show your ignorance of what futures markets are for.

Markets provide a price discovery mechanism. Speculators take risk, sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, but mostly they are just providing liquidity.

Take all of the "speculators" out of a market and then you will have the true unblocked potential for market manipulation. Think about it. No speculators, and I have something to sell, I can easily bid the price up to where I want to sell and hold it there.

I know you can not get it and will not get it, even though it is fairly straight forward logic, but the speculators (and full time market makers) are the ones who prevent market manipulation. As long as there are enough well capitalized well informed "speculators," in a market, moving prices away from true value becomes very risky.

If you're curious I'll walk you through an example some time. But then I know you have a lot of emotion invested in these beliefs about the evil speculators.

Yeah that's why when congress "Threats" to stop speculators the market tanks, as the speculators pull their feet out of the water.
Cause and effect and all that, if it doesn't taste like chilli, then it probably isn't.

I'll admit that as easy to understand as it is, I can see why many people don't.

You'll know that the overlords have completely won when speculation is no longer allowed.

This is how it works. If a market is overpriced due to speculation, then smart deep pockets speculators stand to make a killing forcing the price down to where the leveraged longs have no choice but to take their losses, FORCING PRICES DOWN EVEN MORE !! And the shorts ring the cash register big time, CA-CHING !!

In futures markets being "short" is just as easy as being "long."

Is this not fairly simple ?

And when the usfedgov provides a floor for prices, but no ceiling?

futuresmc says

So they buy cheap food which is filled with Empty Carbohydrates from Corn, Soy, and Wheat

Fixed ;)

In fairness, speculation in commodities can and does distort prices. For instance, thanks to various changes by the CFTC in the way commodities are traded, (including numerous exemptions doled out to the major financials in order to popularize commodities speculation), in the summer of '08 there was a tidal wave of investors pouring into commodities, primarily betting on a rise in prices, with a huge spike in energy prices being one unwelcome result.

According to Wikileaks, while there was less than $20 billion of speculative activity in commodities in the early 2000s, by 2008 that number had spiked to well over $200 billion -- again, with virtually all that money being long. All of this new money helped drive oil prices to an insane $147 a barrel in the summer of 2008.

Michael Masters of Masters Capital gave testimony to the CFTC in 2009 urging for a ban on passive investors from the commodities market and for limiting the total aggregate positions of speculative investors to a nominal percentage. You can find his testimony on the CFTC website.

cut sugar. drink water. get up and dance

don't want to knock that as it is all excellent advice,,,,BUT, coming from the First lady (the face of the federal government) it is a hard pill to swallow, when the food prices American Consumers pay at the store are what they are because of the usfedgov. The government subsidizes HFCS to high hell, every last aspect of it. The land, the petro fertilizers, tariffs on alternatives, subsidies for ethanol, the list is a mile long. So the visible hand of government is shoving all those crappy carby calories down everyones throat,,,,and then here she is all bubbly and happy about the remedy. Lets replace the bad gov info with some good gov info, if she was honestly into seeing the health of the American Consumer improve.

As with all markets, there can be a group think psychological bias causing swings in price, but this is a part of the price discovery process.

The spike in oil prices in 2008 was probably based either on a real perception of what was on the horizon (if the global economies continued to expand at projected rates) or it could have been an error.

SInce we went into global recession/depression substantially reducing projected future demand, I guess we'll never know. Or maybe we will find out.

According to the captain, I'm assuming the whole peak oil thing is just a scam, sort of like climate change.

the price discovery process has been lasting way to long for it to be some organic indicator of the economy. Let's call it what it is, gouging and highway robbery.

Taking diet advice from thunderthighs "let them eat paella" queen Michelle is as dumb as voting for her husband.
I'm gonna get up and dance, scream, and set off explosives when Obama is thrown out in November.
When I cash out a few of my AAPL shares in 10 years, I won't be hanging with any haggety women who look like Patrick Ewing in drag either.

errc says

She wants people to eat healthy,,,she doesn't even know what healthy eating looks like,,,not to mention as the first lady she is the face of the usfedgov,,,,who seem to want people to be sick. Ugh it is beyond maddening

Ever hear of a little thing called GENETICS moron! Sorry, but some people are pre-disposed to have large rears. It's called "body type". Could she slim it down some.. sure, but she will never have the rear of a waif asian model.

And even if she could get that "waif asian model" look you think she should have.. She would have to do 100x the workouts and have some surgery to pump out some ass meat... Then maintaining it would be 100x more difficult than someone pre-disposed to have a small rear.

Once again, genetics... It's tantamount to telling a mentally retarded person that they can be a surgeon if they just put their minds to it!

Case in point... look at black olympic athletes... football players, sprinters ect... There asses are huge...Would you call them out of shape?

There is something to this.

Gyms are full of tall, skinny guys who drink protein shakes and spend 3-4 hours a week lifting.

They'll never look like Conan the Barbarian, or even close. Even if they take steroids.

And don't get me started with fitness gurus, especially the female ones. You ever seen a picture of them when they were truly obese as they claim?

Jillian Michaels offers us one picture of her as a teenybopper. She looks like a younger version of Julia Roberts from Mystic Pizza. At best, you can say she hasn't grown out of her babyfat because she has a little chubbiness in the cheeks like many 12-13 year old kids. Her face is actually nicer in that picture than today.

I won't even get into Susan Powder and the rest of 'em. They're all lifelong athletes, and some are bulemic.

Who was that gal who said she lost weight by working out and dieting, and then it came out she had a tummy tuck?

I think it takes some balls to allege you were fat when you never were, while putting yourself in the "If I did, you can to" position. And assigning all the blame to willpower is absurd.

CaptainShuddup says

Let's call it what it is, gouging and highway robbery

Closed minded and not too bright, but it is what I expected.

Life is too short to argue with morons marcus.

Even if I am right...

I have total respect for many people of average or below average intelligence, but only if they have the self honesty to admit their mediocre level of intelligence.

But an idiot with so much of an ego that he can never learn from others? That's another story. Maybe in your youth you still knew how to learn ?

errc says

Look at the first reply, the poster seems to insinuate that salt and fat are unhealthy in the human diet!. Salt is essential to the human diet and people have been misled to believe it to be dangerously unhealthy. Fat as well, animal fat is brain food for humans.

Fat and salt in small quantities are essential. Eating foods that have huge amounts of them is not healthy. Nor is excess sugar, excess carbs, excess anything. Why is this complicated?

This discussion is all bs. Eating healthy isn't that hard. Eat a little of everything, eat seasonal, don't eat processed foods. It can be done at the same cost or even lower than unhealthy diets. My family does it. Anyone can do it. It's not hard to pick up breakfast cereal with no sugars like shredded wheat, oatmeal, or cheerios (a very tiny amount of sugar) that actually cost less then the ones that are basically all sugar. It's not hard to buy the vegetables that are in season and cheap. Orange veggies like pumpkin, carrots, sweet potatoes are dirt cheap almost all year round. Delicious stews can be made from the cheapest of meats. People just don't bother.

People like excess salts, fat, sugars, fast foods, and processed foods. That's the bottom line, not some gigantic corporate/government conspiricy. I once saw a sign in a cafe that said "You can have it fast, good, or cheap-pick two". That's the truth.

marcus says

But an idiot with so much of an ego that he can never learn from others?

Knowing is half the battle Marcus, you'll come around.

bob2356 says

Delicious stews can be made from the cheapest of meats.

Stew meat is $7.00 a pack, that's the problem you and queen clueless can't seem to grasp.
Hey I'm griping because more of my money is going to the food bill, but I know people that feeds their kids $1.00 cans of generic spagetti-o's on a nightly basis, they buy at the dollar store, and not because they think that shit is delicious. And god knows how the stores acquired that, surplus and reclaimed perhaps?

bob2356 says

"You can have it fast, good, or cheap-pick two"

+1

I live by this.

bob2356 says

This discussion is all bs. Eating healthy isn't that hard. Eat a little of everything, eat seasonal, don't eat processed foods. It can be done at the same cost or even lower than unhealthy diets. My family does it. Anyone can do it. It's not hard to pick up breakfast cereal with no sugars like shredded wheat, oatmeal, or cheerios (a very tiny amount of sugar) that actually cost less then the ones that are basically all sugar. It's not hard to buy the vegetables that are in season and cheap. Orange veggies like pumpkin, carrots, sweet potatoes are dirt cheap almost all year round. Delicious stews can be made from the cheapest of meats. People just don't bother.

it's complicated because of peoples emotional attachments to their foods. For instance, you suggested a bowl of shredded wheat cereal for breakfast, with i would assume some milk. Shredded wheat has 40g of carb per serving and 8 oz of milk has 12g, so if you have the constraint to eat just the single portion size of cereal with milk, you are at 50g of carbs for your breakfast and you've eaten nothing of nutritional sustenance.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Ever hear of a little thing called GENETICS moron! Sorry, but some people are pre-disposed to have large rears. It's called "body type". Could she slim it down some.. sure, but she will never have the rear of a waif asian model.

And even if she could get that "waif asian model" look you think she should have.. She would have to do 100x the workouts and have some surgery to pump out some ass meat... Then maintaining it would be 100x more difficult than someone pre-disposed to have a small rear.

Once again, genetics... It's tantamount to telling a mentally retarded person that they can be a surgeon if they just put their minds to it!

i think you misread what i posted. i wasn't implying about her figure, rather her as a figure head. The first lady, is the face of the fedgov, especially when she takes it upon herself to speak out against the western diet and our collective poor health. She has the ability to do more for our national health then her husband and his forcing working people to buy insurance products

that would take her speaking out against the science from Harvard school of medicine that led the western diet down this deadly anti fat path for the last four decades+. The science is in, she is correct that people ought drink water, no sugar, and dance/move around more. excellent advice. However, when parlayed with the USDA/FDA food pyramid, they have to admit they were misinforming people and that their suggested diet gives people diabetes

errc says

i think you misread what i posted.

Sorry, for the mis-directed vitriol.. It was meant to be directed toward clambo's ignorant and racist statement below...

clambo says

Taking diet advice from thunderthighs "let them eat paella" queen Michelle is as dumb as voting for her husband.
I'm gonna get up and dance, scream, and set off explosives when Obama is thrown out in November.
When I cash out a few of my AAPL shares in 10 years, I won't be hanging with any haggety women who look like Patrick Ewing in drag either.

no problem, the last thing we need is politicians playing more politics with the health of the citizenry. they don't call diabetes an emidemic for the fun of it, by far the most burdensome cost that 'we' could control as a citizenry in our health care, is our personal nutrition. to blame obesity and diabetes on genetics is being dishonest. it is absolutely a matter of carbohydrate (sugar) intake, that causes insulin resistance, hormones regulate fat storage, the old adage of take in less calories and burn more via exercise is obviously an fail of epic proportions

Are you guys listening to errc?
This is the truth, but all you dots can do is go in Liberal defense mode and defend the whole damn fallacy.

Get up marcus and let errc sit at the front of the class.

errc says

The government subsidizes HFCS to high hell, every last aspect of it. The land, the petro fertilizers, tariffs on alternatives, subsidies for ethanol, the list is a mile long.

Yep, the totally do. If you go to open secrets you may notice that the larger the political donations from a food industry the lager the subsidy. Publicly funded elections and removing big money from government would probably go a long way to solve this issue, but that is unlikely to happen.

errc says

However, when parlayed with the USDA/FDA food pyramid, they have to admit they were misinforming people and that their suggested diet gives people diabetes

They no longer suggest that diet, the "pyramid" is obsolete it is now the "plate". You may find it more to your liking.

never saw that plate before. that looks more confusing and equally as unhealthy, glad to see they solved that problem. seriously what the hell is that even supposed to suggest?

what nutritional purpose do grains and dairy serve?
where's the fat?
fat is brain food, we need our fats, fat is good for you

errc says

never saw that plate before.

http://www.choosemyplate.gov/

errc says

seriously what the hell is that even supposed to suggest?

The rough per portions of what one should be eating.

errc says

what nutritional purpose do grains

http://www.choosemyplate.gov/food-groups/grains-why.html

errc says

and dairy serve?

http://www.choosemyplate.gov/food-groups/dairy-why.html

errc says

where's the fat?
fat is brain food, we need our fats, fat is good for you

Myplate.gove agrees with you.
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/food-groups/oils-why.html

CaptainShuddup says

Yeah that's why when congress "Threats" to stop speculators the market tanks, as the speculators pull their feet out of the water.
Cause and effect and all that, if it doesn't taste like chilli, then it probably isn't.

Show me the cause and resulting effect.

I assume you are talking about a regulatory agency or exchange changing their margin rules (like the CME after the silver futures went to 50)-- which is manipulation by those powerful enough to capture the regulatory agencies.

There are major issues with the financial business, but the media neither knows nor cares about the real problems. They prefer to blame the "speculators."

BoomAndBustCycle says

Case in point... look at black olympic athletes... football players, sprinters ect... There asses are huge...Would you call them out of shape?

I played football through college. There was a time in high school when I wouldn't touch processed sugar or most fats, worked out daily, etc... My bodyfat % was around 8% (many athletes are better, but thats great compared to general public), I weighed 230 and measured 6'2''.

I went to get a routine physical, was told that I was borderline obese by the silly height/weight scale doctors still use. The doctor almost laughed when he told me, then explained why those numbers were nonsense, and explained that most pro football players would be considered fat on this scale.

Would've been nice to hear that understanding tone as a husky child. Every doctor I ever went to told me I was fat.

Let's see you got your collard greens with bacon, corn rice and mashed potatos, Pork Ribs, chicken and sausage, apple cobbler and a bigass glass of Milk, which comes in handy to pour the milk out then pour the contents of your 40 into it.

And it doesn't say how many trips to the shindig buffet you can make.

Yup its the ghettomyriad.

CaptainShuddup says

Let's see you got your collard greens with bacon, corn rice and mashed potatos, Pork Ribs, chicken and sausage, apple cobbler and a bigass glass of Milk, which comes in handy to pour the milk out then pour the contents of your 40 into it.
And it doesn't say how many trips to the shindig buffet you can make.
Yup its the ghettomyriad.

This shit is DELICOUS and how I plan to eat every day once the mothership beams me up.

CBOEtrader says

I went to get a routine physical, was told that I was borderline obese by the silly height/weight scale doctors still use. The doctor almost laughed when he told me, then explained why those numbers were nonsense

Yeah, when looking at an individual those BMI numbers don't mean a lot. As you well know there are a lot better ways to determine heath, but none as cheap as just taking height and weight measurements.

errc says

it's complicated because of peoples emotional attachments to their foods. For instance, you suggested a bowl of shredded wheat cereal for breakfast, with i would assume some milk. Shredded wheat has 40g of carb per serving and 8 oz of milk has 12g, so if you have the constraint to eat just the single portion size of cereal with milk, you are at 50g of carbs for your breakfast and you've eaten nothing of nutritional sustenance.

I didn't just suggest it, I eat it as well as corn flakes, cheerios, oatmeal, or just a bowl of cut up fruit. Ham and eggs or pancakes dripping with maple syrup and butter sometimes too. Did you miss the part where I said eat a little of everything?

What's with the fixation on carbs? Are you an atkins fanatic? Milk has no nutritional sustenance? That's news. What about Proteins? Dietary fibre? Amino acids? Vitamins, Minerals. There is more to eating than carbs. One portion is two biscuts which is a pretty good sized chunk of food that shouldn't present any kind of constraint to anyone not used to supersize mcd's portions.

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/healthy-breakfast-corn-flakes-vs-shredded-wheat.html

Fit day considers shredded wheat just fine as well as cornflakes which have a little sugar.

So what is your daily breakfast with nutritional sustenance, low calories, low sugar, low fat?

errc, what is racist in my post?

clambo says

errc, what is racist in my post?

Your vitriol has been misdirected, I believe that BoomAndBust called your comment racist.

CaptainShuddup says

bob2356 says

Delicious stews can be made from the cheapest of meats.

Stew meat is $7.00 a pack, that's the problem you and queen clueless can't seem to grasp.
Hey I'm griping because more of my money is going to the food bill

So don't buy it in the pack. Buy a cheap roast on sale and cut it up. This isn't rocket science. Last time I was in the states in Feb I bought a 3 lb roast for $2.75 a pound, about $5.00 worth of veggies made stew over noodles and fed 6 people twice with some still left over. Buy with the season.

If you really want to gripe come visit me in NZ. Food is at least twice (or more, sometimes a lot more depending on the item) as expensive as the US, variety is limited, and you really have to eat seasonal. If it's out of season you just don't get it, period. To add insult to injury I can buy NZ lamb cheaper in the US and Europe than at my local supermarket in NZ.

bob2356 says

Last time I was in the states

See that's your problem.

I don't eat breakfast. I am not a farmer. I eat when I get hungry, usually by 2pm. Breakfast pushing is for farmers.

Get up at 5 am or sunrise and work the crops while it's cool out, come back to house a couple hours later with an appetite and eat a hearty meal, go back to work the crops.