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Where exactly are they putting the homes?

They are not building homes. They are renting furnished apartments in major cities all over the USA.

John Bailo says

Where exactly are they putting the homes?

Tt sounds like the idea is to put homeless people into existing homes. Which will dry up supply even further and send rents and home prices even higher.

It would be better if the homeless are offered such apartments in high vacancy/low desirability areas along with free transportation.

New Renter says

Which will dry up supply even further and send rents and home prices even higher.

Thank you.

That was my supposition.

Another scheme where they position homeless in expensive cities to keep their votes there and to drive up costs and to funnel subsidies rather than doing the obvious of moving them to low cost areas where they can actually buy homes.

If they can find efficiency @ 500 per month, that's 50 million per month in rent. That's alotta scratch

~sigh~ My shop is in a gritty industrial area near a freeway. Homeless people are a fixture of the neighborhood.

It gets REALLY OLD seeing this one church in town "doing good" and giving them food and clothing regularly. The problem is, it maintains them in an eternal state of never hitting rock bottom and having to choose either the will to better themselves or succumbing to hunger and cold. They leave steaming piles of donated food become crap, wipe their asses on the donated clothes, and leave it in the bushes or sometimes right on the sidewalk outside of my business. Last week in the crapping-place behind the bushes by my door, was something new- a disposable DOUCHE.
You see the same cast of characters about town in different guises. Contrite at the church handout. Aggressive when panhandling or fencing obviously shoplifted stuff right outside the supermarket from whence it came. Lazily shuffling some random direction through a parking lot while people are trying to drive through. Suddenly goal-oriented and a spring in their step when the pill/heroin connection has pulled in across the lot. Putting down the NEED FOOD GOD BLESS sign when a few bills are proferred and making a BEELINE for the liquor store.
Everything everyone gives them to "help" gets rapidly used up, trashed, and discarded. Car to sleep in? Wrecked the first week, impounded the 8th. Top of the line electric medical scooter? Literally run into the ground in 6 weeks, batteries cut out and sold, and offered for sale with 3 flat tires for top dollar/dope money. Section 8 apartment? Deputies responding several times a week, finally evicted and needing to be stripped to the frame to be made habitable again.

So this 100,000 homes initiative is viewed with very jaded eyes by me, based on my experiences. My only remaining question is, are they moving the folks into units in the same apartment building that THEY live in?

This was a 60 Minutes segment and landlords volunteer for the program. I'm sure they rent out their less desirable properties that do not move quickly.

ohomen171 says

Rather hard headed officials came to the conclusion that it was cheaper for we taxpayers to keep these people in apartments than to leave them on the streets.

They missed the point.

If all bums were given apartments, a large part of the population would just stop working and become bums.

Seeing bums once in a while is a good motivator to keep the populace hard at work.

Jefferson warned about too much resources spent in cities. More precient than ever. While we help those in need design, grade, pour concrete, frame, electrictify, drywall, install plumbing, we should locate these housing near rural areas that have good soil and water.

The Hebrews have a similar helping social hand called cributzes. Keeps their crib while teaching skills.

Entitlemented says

Jefferson warned about too much resources spent in cities.

I went and looked that up.

When they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe

This blog says...true quote.

http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/chain-email-10-jefferson-quotations

Which of the following is true?

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe." This is a genuine quotation, although slightly altered from the original, which reads, "I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries; as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."[1]
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." This quotation is entirely spurious. See its article for more details.
"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." This quotation is genuine, from a letter to Antoine Louis Claude Destutt de Tracy of December 26, 1820: "it is incumbent on every generation to pay it’s own debts as it goes. a principle which, if acted on, wou [ld] save one half the wars of the world; and justifies, I think our present circumspection."[2]
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." This is a genuine quotation, although slightly altered from the original. See its article for more details.
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." This is actually a quotation by someone else, talking about Jefferson. See this quotation's article for more details.

FYI, Obama and Hollande went to Monticello yesterday. How do these leaders embody key objectives of Jeffersons constitution/BOR; liberty, egalitarianism, and freedom?

John Bailo says

That was my supposition.

Another scheme where they position homeless in expensive cities to keep their
votes there and to drive up costs and to funnel subsidies rather than doing the
obvious of moving them to low cost areas where they can actually buy homes.

Or that the reason is because it's cheaper, and more humane than other forms of aid that obviously don't work.

FYI, statistically the poorer that people are/get, the less that they vote. The incentives for voting by the poor bear that out by the total lack of lobbyists that represent the poor, or lobby on their behalf. Lobbyists for a contiued pattern of SNAP(food stamps) are more likely to do that and be paid for it on behalf of WAL Mart than the poor, with the 532 organizations that signed on to NOT seperate the food and farm portions of the Farm Bill.

upisdown says

Or that the reason is because it's cheaper, and more humane than other forms of aid that obviously don't work.

You misread my logic.

I do want them to be housed.

But why do it in the most expensive locations possible?

Here near Seattle they spent something like half a million dollars just to move some shelters (canvas tents) around over the course of a couple of days. Another exorbitant grant funds 100 people living in the equivalent of a car garage.

That same amount of money I calculated could fund those same people renting 3 bedroom apartments in some of the best neighborhoods around the area, and also let each unit lease a modern luxury vehicle!

John Bailo says

upisdown says

Or that the reason is because it's cheaper, and more humane than other forms of aid that obviously don't work.

You misread my logic.

I do want them to be housed.

But why do it in the most expensive locations possible?

Here near Seattle they spent something like half a million dollars just to move some shelters (canvas tents) around over the course of a couple of days. Another exorbitant grant funds 100 people living in the equivalent of a car garage.

That same amount of money I calculated could fund those same people renting 3 bedroom apartments in some of the best neighborhoods around the area, and also let each unit lease a modern luxury vehicle!

Which is also my question.

Why house the homeless anywhere in the Bay Area when the siren call of super cheap central valley and Nevada housing becons?

John Bailo says

upisdown
says

Or that the reason is because it's cheaper, and more humane than other forms
of aid that obviously don't work.

You misread my logic.

I do want them to be housed.

But why do it in the most expensive locations possible?

Here near Seattle they spent something like half a million dollars just to
move some shelters (canvas tents) around over the course of a couple of days.
Another exorbitant grant funds 100 people living in the equivalent of a car
garage.

That same amount of money I calculated could fund those same people renting 3
bedroom apartments in some of the best neighborhoods around the area, and also
let each unit lease a modern luxury vehicle!

This very issue came up in the recent past about the homeless problem that eats up the crucial public services locally, and what to do about it, and them. After a lot of review of the stats from the police and emergency services(total calls and dispositions of those calls), it was actually cheaper to pay a private entitiy(a crappy hotel/s) and negotiate monthly rates to house the homeless and create some segment of stability to begin the process of turning these people from homeless to people on a path of self reliance. Numerous issues such as cost, transfer payments to specific entities, possible compouding of the problem were brought up by quite a few aldermen, and it was decided after all the facts were exposed, that it was cheaper to take that route.

Will it be cheaper in the overall long run and more effective though? Who knows, but at this oint doing the same thing with little to no results wasn't working either.

upisdown says

it was actually cheaper to pay a private entitiy(a crappy hotel/s) and negotiate monthly rates to house the homeless

Malcomb Gladwell wrote about Million Dollar Murray in Reno or there is this guy in Solano, http://www.reportingonhealth.org/resources/lessons/million-dollar-homeless-patient.
A million bucks in 3 years!
It would be cheaper to buy these guys a 3/2 in Palo Alto.

upisdown says

FYI, statistically the poorer that people are/get, the less that they vote.

My shop is in a poor neighborhood, and it cracks me up to hear well to do people claiming that aid is to buy votes. These people live hand to mouth and are not motivated by less than instant gratification. They won't move over on the sidewalk to allow a bicycle to pass, or carry a piece of trash 10 steps further to the trash can that's been a fixture next to the sidewalk for 20 years; what makes people think they'll go across town to the polling place on the appointed day, much less have any clue how to vote?

Robert Sproul says

upisdown
says

it was actually cheaper to pay a private entitiy(a crappy hotel/s) and
negotiate monthly rates to house the homeless

Malcomb Gladwell wrote about Million Dollar Murray in Reno or there is this
guy in Solano, http://www.reportingonhealth.org/resources/lessons/million-dollar-homeless-patient.
A
million bucks in 3 years!
It would be cheaper to buy these guys a 3/2 in Palo
Alto.

That's your response? Geez.

Automan Empire says

upisdown
says

FYI, statistically the poorer that people are/get, the less that they vote.

My shop is in a poor neighborhood, and it cracks me up to hear well to do
people claiming that aid is to buy votes. These people live hand to mouth and
are not motivated by less than instant gratification. They won't move over on
the sidewalk to allow a bicycle to pass, or carry a piece of trash 10 steps
further to the trash can that's been a fixture next to the sidewalk for 20
years; what makes people think they'll go across town to the polling place on
the appointed day, much less have any clue how to vote?

LOL, not to mention that they usually don't even have a clue as to when election day is also. No permanent home, more than likely unregistered to vote even if they did have any ID at all, and on and on and on...........

Those homeless are so crafty and cunning (according to the upper classes and namely the right wing) that they manage to do so many things, all while being homeless with no (obviously)home, car, income, access to useful resources such as the internet, no bank accounts to receive any types of formal payments..............

Automan Empire says

upisdown says

FYI, statistically the poorer that people are/get, the less that they vote.

My shop is in a poor neighborhood, and it cracks me up to hear well to do people claiming that aid is to buy votes. These people live hand to mouth and are not motivated by less than instant gratification. They won't move over on the sidewalk to allow a bicycle to pass, or carry a piece of trash 10 steps further to the trash can that's been a fixture next to the sidewalk for 20 years; what makes people think they'll go across town to the polling place on the appointed day, much less have any clue how to vote?

Do you want to take chances that paul begala will send out his goons to "motivate" the bums to vote by offering them a bag of weed and a fifth of whiskey? And without voter id law they gonna get access and stuff. And if they don't get motivated by chemicals, the panthers will be around the corner to beat their ass...

dublin hillz says

"motivate" the bums to vote by offering them a bag of weed and a fifth of
whiskey?

ROFL, if you think getting the poorest of poor, and bums and homeless drunk and stoned will make them MORE likely to be useful voters, well, I think you've been hitting the sauce yourself.

I circulated petitions for Prop 215 and other ballot initiatives back in the day. We'd dread when even a stoner beach bum type would approach us; they usually were NOT registered to vote, would NOT register even if they did have a permanent address, and would sign Jim Morrison or Mickey Mouse on the petition, which was worse than not signing at all. Sometimes, people we totally "profiled" as down for the cause would literally say F.U. to us. Slightly sheepish, well dressed people were the ones we could always count on being registered and inking a valid signature.

You are frankly talking out of your ass, to think armies of poor people are mobilized to vote. At the local (ghetto-ass) polling place, do I see busloads of bums, poor people, welfare and section 8 recipients, and WIC store patrons being steered in? Nope, it's mostly seniors voting a conservative slate, and usually 1 or 2 of a dozen voting stations occupied at any moment except in the biggest elections.

Automan Empire says

You are frankly talking out of your ass, to think armies of poor people are
mobilized to vote. At the local (ghetto-ass) polling place, do I see busloads of
bums, poor people, welfare and section 8 recipients, and WIC store patrons being
steered in? Nope, it's mostly seniors voting a conservative slate, and usually 1
or 2 of a dozen voting stations occupied at any moment except in the biggest
elections.

Isn't it ironic that the people who get bussed or free rides to the polling places have a home and sometimes have a car in their garage, but the meme of the right wing is that there's bus-loads of homeless people (that have no car)being taken to polling places, but nobody EVER sees them?

upisdown says

but nobody EVER sees them?

That's what makes it so clandestine and that will continue in the future once to goons are unleashed with their army of terror. Some people are motivated by positive reinforcement, others by punishment. The ever evolving political machine, the one that mastered the pinnacle of social media will eventually evolve in face to face interaction domain. So if the target does not play nice and respond to THC/ethanol, the panthers will be right there to administer the beating.

dublin hillz says

upisdown
says

but nobody EVER sees them?

That's what makes it so clandestine and that will continue in the future once
to goons are unleashed with their army of terror. Some people are motivated by
positive reinforcement, others by punishment. The ever evolving political
machine, the one that mastered the pinnacle of social media will eventually
evolve in face to face interaction domain. So if the target does not play nice
and respond to THC/ethanol, the panthers will be right there to administer the
beating.

So, in other words or an accurate translation is.........a bunch of BS that you just made up using every fear-mongering term that you referenced from Fox News.
FYI, spelling mistakes are expected due to fat-finger typing with a Iphone, but shitty grammar isn't. Ask for your tuition money back or learn english.