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Our neighbors to the north ... aren't exactly doing too great


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2014 Apr 29, 10:46am   1,986 views  5 comments

by Rin   ➕follow (8)   💰tip   ignore  

Here's an article on cabbies with advanced degrees in Toronto...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/over-educated-immigrant-cabbies-plying-canadian-streets-federal-175037166.html

Excerpt:

"The study found more than 200 taxi drivers, mostly from the Toronto area, had been doctors in their home countries, the Toronto Sun reported.

It also turned up another 55 Canadian-born cabbies who were doctors or PhDs."

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The reason why I bring this up is that unlike the USA, Toronto is their proportional equivalent of NYC-Chicago-LA in one metropolis.

Thus, a situation like that would be quite an ominous sign stateside, if many of our educated populace weren't at least employed in construction and various trades, where granted, they're not using their knowledge of string theory but at least they're in a position to tie up wires to better their lives.

And the times I'd been up there, I've met restaurant workers, shop clerks, etc, with masters or higher degrees. At least in the US, many ordinary workers are simply underemployed BA holders.

I'd brought this up to Canadian friends and colleagues and they all concur, outside of the Oil Patch, Canadian govt jobs are the only viable long term careers. Many other workers, esp in health care, try to move to the US, if they can get a visa.

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1   Rin   2014 Apr 29, 10:50am  

Rin says

Canadian govt jobs are the only viable long term careers

Ok, there's also tourism but outside of the Polar Bear tours in the tundra, they aren't all that unique there.

2   bob2356   2014 Apr 29, 2:54pm  

Rin says

Thus, a situation like that would be quite an ominous sign stateside, if many of our educated populace weren't at least employed in construction and various trades, where granted, they're not using their knowledge of string theory but at least they're in a position to tie up wires to better their lives.

I love this kind of utterly meaningless survey. Allegedly 200 doctors out of 50,000 cabbies? You're joking right? Maybe the survey should have checked where these people came from that driving a cab in canada is better than being a doctor in their home country. Maybe most of them are driving a cab to make ends meet while they learn the language well enough to get a license. Maybe a lot of them failed their qualifications because they graduated med school somewhere that was 1 step above witch doctor and ended up driving a cab. Who knows what any of this means, there's no where near enough data to draw conclusions. Canadian born doesn't mean Canadian trained BTW. How many of the alleged 55 Canadian born doctor/phd cab drivers went to medical school in Canada? That information is conspicuously absent I notice. Plus the fact that evenyone knows that no one has ever lied about themselves on a survey either. Sure, right.

Rin says

I'd brought this up to Canadian friends and colleagues and they all concur, outside of the Oil Patch, Canadian govt jobs are the only viable long term careers. Many other workers, esp in health care, try to move to the US, if they can get a visa

Really? There are no long term careers like accountants, lawyers, managers of businesses. chefs, etc., etc., etc in Canada? I doubt that. I've been to BC and Alberta a bit and people seem to have careers just fine. Disgruntled expats are not usually the most reliable source of information.

I remember reading the American Community Survey about 5 years ago that said immigration from Canada to the US has been dropping since 2000. I also remember that something like 20 or 25% of Canadian migrants were older than 45 and went to Florida. Hmm I wonder what that means?

I've been hearing since the 60's how terrible the Canadian economy is and how all the Canadians will be moving to the US. Yet it never happens.

Rin says

Thus, a situation like that would be quite an ominous sign stateside, if many of our educated populace weren't at least employed in construction and various trades

So how does 4% of native canadian cab drivers having a BA represent "many" of the educated populace?

3   Rin   2014 Apr 30, 3:34am  

The whole purpose of this was to show that yes, whining Canadian ex-pats working in the US do exist.

Before I'd left IT for good, we had a Toronto operation, it was the *near shore* cost center as it was 70% cheaper than a headcount in Boston but served the same timezone. Execs were happy with the place, as it meant that they could add more work w/o needing to hire in greater Boston.

But when I'd checked on apartment prices, Toronto was no cheaper than Boston. Two of our engineers were forced to re-locate, as their Canadian green cards were approved, before their US work visa had expired. Today, both of them are Canadian citizens but they're housing poor, as metro Toronto prices are less tenable than Boston, because salaries are lower there. Thus, a two income American household, despite being somewhat stretched, can afford to buy in an ordinary, non-top school district 'burb around Boston. And unlike Boston, where offices are re-locating to Dallas or Raleigh, for a significant drop off in living costs, Toronto residents can't just relocate to Nova Scotia for an equivalent job.

5   Dan8267   2014 Apr 30, 4:48am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Invade Canada and baptize them.

Don't Canadians melt if exposed to water?

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